We have posted a lot about "PEA" no longer allowing a 2nd meter for EV charging, but has anyone seen any news article/official document saying "MEA" which provides electricity to Bangkok, Samut Prakan, and Nanthaburi no longer allows a 2nd meter for EV charging? 

I haven't and the MEA website indicates they support residential Home EV Charger service which I assume means a "separate" meter if desired.

https://www.mea.or.th/en/

https://www.mea.or.th/our-services/mea-service/e-service/new-meter-ev-home

@Card

   Keep in mind that length of time to complete an implant varies due to various factors and one key factor is what type of implant system you get.   Some implant systems "take root (i.e., integrate with the bone) faster and better than other types.   You could actually use an implant system that integrates with the bone in as little as 6 weeks assuming adequate bone mass...then another 2 weeks or so to complete the capping process...done and dusted in 2 months.   HOWEVER, BUT, other implant systems (lower cost ones) can take 4 to 6 months.

https://www.dentalwiseclinic.com/services/dental-implant/

1 hour ago, matchar said:

The TOU meter is for selling electricity at night when demand is lower hence the price is lower?

 

If so, why do they care if you are using it to charge an EV or for something else?

There are different rates for residential and business purposes when it comes to a regular meter and TOU meter.   For most "businesses" electricity rates there is also also a peak "demand" charge that comes into play on top of the typical rates per KWH, Ft, and meter charge.   And there are a quite a few different regular and TOU "business" rates.  There is also a different "service charge" per month. 

LOTs of Thais run there business right at their home....like on the first floor of their 3 story shop-house....and it might be a business that uses a lot of "power eating" machines.     And even if they  currently have a TOU meter based on business rates if they could get another TOU meter based on residential rates and then hook it into some of their business machines that use lots of power and have Somchai work at night then they can lower their monthly electricity bill quite a bit.  Good for the customer but it's gaming the "array" of rates that PEA (and MEA) has established based on what type of electricity user your are. 

See below PEA tariff schedule for the various rates...and notice how most business plans also have a demand charge and also a higher service fee.   PEA/MEA don't like people who try to "game" the rates as it distorts their business model, tying to determine electrical system upgrades, buying fuel to make electricity, etc.  

https://www.pea.co.th/sites/default/files/documents/tariff/EN_Electricity_Tariffs_May_2023.pdf

Go with an implant.   Yes, takes longer and more expensive than a bridge or denture but the implant is like have a new, original tooth...will last a long, long time.  Rejections can occur were the implant doesn't really hold well but those are rare cases..  My wife got a two molar implants around 3 years ago at Dental Wise Clinic in Bangkok....zero problems....excellent service and care.  English, Japanese, Korean, and Thai spoken at the clinic....zero communications issues.

https://www.dentalwiseclinic.com/services/dental-implant/

Elon needs money....

https://autolifethailand.tv/official-price-tesla-model-y-discount-june-2025/

A Bangkok Post 10 June 2025 article...see link below for full article.....a few key paragraphs extracted from the article are quoted below.  Sales for new and used vehicles is looking worst for this year (2025) according to the Fast Auto Show organizers.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/3046407/car-industry-seeks-easier-loans-amid-weak-sales

Thai automobile sales executives are urging the government to quickly devise new measures that could nudge banks to grant more auto loans to prospective buyers, seeking to lift both the new and used car markets.

The Thai automotive market remains critically weak as banks and car financing companies have maintained their strict lending criteria to avoid non-performing loans as household debt remains elevated.

Both new and used vehicle markets will continue to slow this year under these circumstances, according to the industry.

Car sales in Thailand last year reached the lowest level in 14 years at 572,675 units, a year-on-year decrease of 26%.

Without help from the government, domestic car sales are likely to keep slowing down in the second half of this year, said Mr Asadavut.

He expects total car sales in the country to be lower than 520,000 in 2025, attributed to buyers’ difficulties obtaining auto loans, weak consumer purchasing power and the sluggish economy.

Prices of used internal combustion engine (ICE) cars have already fallen by 50% as electric vehicles (EVs) are becoming more popular, said Pinyo Tanawatcharaporn, the owner of the second-hand car company Yo Ratchada and former president of the Association of Used Car Dealers.

The prices of certain EV brands continue to decrease, causing people not to buy used ICE cars, he said.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 I'd be surprised if you get even 1,000km if you drift with your tyres.

That's for sure as I'd probably crash before 1km.

The closest I got to the drifting experience is as a teenager I did an "unplanned" 360 degree spin in a Chevy on an icey road one winter morning when turning onto a main road after giving the car a little too much gas that caused the spin.  I was caught completely off guard.  

For the second or two I was in that complete circle spin I figured the car is going to crash off the road....but no, the car straightened out perfectly straight on the road as I turned the front wheels in the opposite direction of the spin...and then I was  going straight again like I was a movie stunt driver.  

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

isnt that a bit hard rubber for safe riding in wet tropical environments? 
 

I did 80k on my original tires, and still good, but dangerously slippery on wet days. 

No signs of being slippery in rain at over 41,000 Km....as mentioned earlier they have a wet grip rating of B on the A to E scale with A having the best wet grip.   I expect to get an A web grip rating the rubber compound would need to be really soft which would then result in shorter lifespan "kilometers-wise."

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

This is my tyres at 13,500km

 

Yeap....those tires slow clear signs of "drifting".....probably in a Big C parking lot showing off.   

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZXI5bmllbG9oYW56aG1kdjUxdjVjdHQxdHZjZzBvNXh0Nnp6bGdlOSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/k2evHZ2EvAV5m/200.gif

5 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Fortunately I won’t be going underground. I managed to find a wall to which I can fix the charger and then if I use a 10 charging cable, I can reach where the car will be parked.

 

The bad news is that I’ve got about 100 meters to go from the fuse box in the house, around the garden wall, to the fixing point.
 

A guy from BYD came and gabbled on about this and that, not a lot of which made sense to me, but he is going to arrange for the actual installer to come today.  so I’ll see what they say, although I have a feeling it will be a Thai and sign language conversation. 
 

It’s never a problem if I have some confidence that they won’t be trying to make things more complicated than they need be, just so they can charge more money. Of course I have no comparative quite atm, so I’m nervous.
 

For instance the BYD guy was heavily pushing for me to take a sleek waterproof box for the charger, which cost three times what a “normal” box cost. Since I’m not intending to make the box a focal point of the garden, it seemed unnecessary to me.

 

Anyway, thanks for the info and ‘ll see what they guy says today.

Well, since you estimate around a 100 meters wire run will be needed the installer is probably going to quote you an additional price for 90 meters of wire.   The "current" BYD free charger installation promotion includes 10 meters of installation wire (it use to be 15 free meters when they installed my charger back in later 2023)....any thing above that 10 meters you pay for.   

Unless something has changed the cost "per additional meter is around Bt300 which includes the wire (which is actually 3 wires...Line, Neutral, and Earth), conduit, misc stuff, and labor."  90 times Bt300 comes to Bt27,000.   But that Bt300/meter price is probably  based in not having to install a long length past the 10 free meters.  Example: a residence needed 15 meters to accomplish the install....10 meters is free and the additional 5 meters costs Bt1500 (5 times 300).   I would hope in your case it would not be Bt300/meter if the wire run is not labor and conduit install intensive...hopefully a much lower amount per meter.

https://www.reverautomotive.com/en/news/byd-sealion-6-dm-i-june-2025-campaign

20 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Order changed to 255/35/R19 in Michelin Pilot Sport 5.

 

Bizarrely, they are cheaper than 245/35/R19.

 

They admitted they thought my wheels were standard BYD width and were concerned about oversized tyres.  Actually my aftermarket wheels are 1” wider so 255’s will not be a problem.

13 hours ago, Pib said:

Where you say, "....they're ready for a change...",  do you mean they are almost wore out/close to the tire wear nubs after only 13,000Km?

13 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Yes, I would say they are currently at risk of aquaplaning.

 

I will try and post a photo tomorrow, front and back are both low.

Wow!!!!....you really need to stop burning rubber, drag racing, drifting, racing people from stop lights, taking hairpin corners at 100KmH!!!    😜😉

Seriously though, preaching to the choir when I say how long a tire lasts depending on factors such road conditions...how they are driven... quality of tire...type of rubber compound (i.e., soft for better grip, medium, hard for longer lasting, etc)...whether a summer, winter, or all seasons tire...weight of vehicle....beginning thread depth which can vary greatly depending on tire, etc....etc...etc....determine how long a tire will last.  

My 2023 Atto that I bought in Oct 2023 (around 20 months old) now has 41,532km on its Altas A51 (a.k.a., Batman) tires...215/55R18 95V tires are still it good shape....still have 6.5mm of thread depth remaining.   With the "wear nubs" at 2mm (i.e., tire thread is worn out/minimal) I still have 4.5mm more to wear down before hitting those wear nubs....heck, I might be able to get 100,000km out of these tires.   

These Atlas A51 tires are summer tires, Fuel Efficiency B rating, Wet Grip B, Speed Rating V up to 240KmH, Quiet Noise (67db) rating, original thread depth 8mm.   I'm not recommending these tires to anyone (but I'm happy with them).....they are the OEM tires that came with my Atto....I'm just talking how they have been holding-up on my EV.

https://e-catalog.com/ATLAS-BATMAN-A51-215-55-R18-95V.htm

Altas A51 tire after 20 months of driving....41,542km

Tire thread depth remaining approx 6.5mm...when new 8mm....wear nubs are at 2mm

13 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I’ve covered just over 13,000km in my SEAL AWD and will be checking out tyres this week, they’re ready for a change.

 

I’m contemplating jumping up 2cm in width as the aftermarket wheels are wider than stock.

 

I would like foam-filled noise reducing tyres if I can find them.

Where you say, "....they're ready for a change...",  do you mean they are almost wore out/close to the tire wear nubs after only 13,000Km?

3 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

That calls for a chart, to see how deep the EV madness is 🍿 🍿 🍿 🍿. 

I'm assuming in the middle of the chart that the 2,013  registration is for Jan 2024 reflecting end of 2023 sales/promotions finally getting registered in Jan 2024.   If correct it appears starting in early 2024 Neta fortunes turned south quickly with only 216 registrations in Feb 2024. 

Made "some" recovery thru 2024 but really didn't approach the much better sales year of 2023 with registrations only reaching 985 in Jan 2025 from end of 2024 sales/promotions.   

And then registrations fell to 288 in Feb 2025 and are trending downwards since a lot of bad news about Neta's financial problems started hitting the Chinese and Thai media.    

When I see a Neta on the road now I feel kinda sorry for the owner as the owner is surely worried if his/her Neta is going to lose support and more value in the near future.  Based on what I reading in newspapers quite a few Neta owners have their vehicles in a shop awaiting parts/repair/warranty support that may or may not come any time soon although Neta is saying it's new Parts Distribution Center in Nakhon Pathom will help the situation.

Below 9 June 2025 Bangkok Post news article gives a good summary of Neta and its owners current situation along with the overall EV industry/market in Thailand.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/motoring/3045587/chinese-ev-maker-neta-woes-pose-threat-to-thai-car-dealers

3 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

I’m in the process of buying a BYD sealion 6, so a PHEV.

 

As part of the deal I am being given a free home charger and installation. BUT, the BYD guy says I need a special cable to run from my fuse box to my charger and for a special stand for the charger to fix to. The latter because it won’t be fixed to a wall.

 

So:

 

1. having googled, it seems that I DO need a special cable to handle the continuous power load. Fair enough. But does anyone know if the BYD people supply said cable at a significant mark up? Or is their pricing pretty competitive?

 

2. Does anyone know if their special stand is anything, well, special? I haven’t seen one in real life but from the picture it looks like plastic!

 

3. Just generally, do BYD use the charger installation exercise as a price gouging opportunity?

 

Grateful for any insights on the above

Based on my experience in the BYD wall charger installation (done by ENSUS which had the BYD contract) I didn't see any price gouging...pricing seemed fair on the invoice which was free for me as it came with my BYD Atto....but they did tell me in advance if I need extra wire beyond the free 15 meters worth (i.e., from main circuit panel to charger)  that it would cost X-amount per meter...my install didn't end-up requiring any extra wire beyond the free 15 meters.   And all wire remained within/on  walls/ceiling; no underground wire.

Now since it sounds like part of your cable run might be underground to your charger on a stand then that means it will probably have to be "NYY-G" wire which is typically what required for underground wire....it's more expensive than wire used within buildings/not buried.     NYY wire insulation is much more resistance to water and chemicals in the ground than regular wire used "within" buildings/walls/ceilings.  

From your main circuit panel to a 32A/7KW charger the required wire size in 10mm2.    Nothing really special about the stand...it's like the stand in Bandersnatch picture, but it wouldn't surprise me if the installer is not also talking about an enclosure box to go on the stand for added security and environmental protection.   

Now if the outdoor wire is staying above ground the installer might be talking "THWN" wire which is often used as "service drops" from the power lines down to the electric meter....it's tough wire...withstands rain, shine, bad weather, etc. 

The installer should be able to easily/quickly give you an estimated price of "parts and labor"....and give you more "specifics" on the "wire type" he's talking about.  

Is that hills/islands in the background OR Tesla/Neta stock market price?😜

1 hour ago, bobbyd1 said:

I am having one heck of a time getting DMDC to fix the problem mentioned in previous texts also. Hence, I can not get to the Tricare Overseas website to file and check claims. Presently I have no problem with iDme & LoginGov protocols, but they do not connect to Tricare Overseas web access. Yes, DS Logon is transferring over to MyAuth which will use Okta verify App for codes.

 

But, here it the kicker, to get to MyAuth set up, one has to pass the DSLogon gates with 5-Digit code one time only! SAD that we are treated like second class citizens since we live abroad. But, rest assure my Government has no glitches or codes in deducting tax from my retirement pension. I am sure many other Tricare customers will eventually be experiencing this buffoonery.

 

Ya, I heard, many have not had problems, they use VPN, they use MagicJack, they have buddies in the processes,  But, in my simple brain, I venture to see that the noose is tightening and we will have to all try and work together to get a solutions. Note: I generated my open ticket numbers from the DMDC Help desk; with the promise of getting a call back, crickets! More to follow.....

I would recommend you try to register for a TOP acct directly at the TOP login site....that is,  click the "Create an Account" right above the Username.  That is what the wife and I did several years ago when DSLogin was going thru another one of its periodic temper tantrums relating to just logging into DSLogin or being able to login into DSLogin but then having problems in accessing a site (like TOP) thru the DSlogin portal....problems that would sometimes cause a person to get locked out of DSLogin for 31 days.

We were both surprised we were able to create an account for direct login (or should I say recreate our direct login credentials which we had had before we started using DSLogin)...direct login with.no need to go thru DSLogin.  In the wifie's case her attempt succeeded the first try; but in my case I had to tried several times because at the very end of the process there was some error message saying they didn't get a DEERS response in time where they verify you are loaded in DEERS.  It was like DEERS didn't respond to some TOP request....but there was no "Sorry Charlie" type message saying no can do as I have been previously accessing TOP via DSLogin.  I tried creating an acct a few more times over the ensuring hours and finally I succeeded....I guess TOP and DEERS started communicating better.  Been smooth sailing ever since in terms of logging into TOP, submitting claims, checking claims status, downloading EOBs, etc.   Good riddens to TOP login via DSLogin. 

We did not use VPN access as the VPN access seemed to slow down, make the connection glitchy .....and we still don't to login to DSLogin, MyAuth, TOP, etc., using a VPN connection...,that is, the military related websites....makes sense with US military active duty, retirees, dependents located all over this big Earth.   And if I remember right there was no 2FA verification process during the acct creation process like needing to send a code to whatever phone number you have loaded in DEERS.  We were surprised we were able to recreate our direct login because a several years earlier when trying to do such we couldn't as we would just get the "Sorry Charlie, no can do since you can already access via your DSLogin acct" type message at the very end of the attempted account creation process which uses data only you will know like some data/numbers off your mil ID card that is bucked against data in DEERS.   

I think what happened is so many people were having problems with DSLogin the powers dropped the requirement of only allowing login by DSLogin "if that is how you accessed TOP" one time.....that one time access to TOP via DSLogin then deleted your TOP direct login credentials and you were now stuck with only being able to login via DSLogin which would be fine if DSLogin wasn't so temper mental periodically.   But I think there were so many problems with DSLogin that TOP started allowing a person to recreate direct login (i.e., not thru DSLogin) due to the interface DSLogin problems.  DSLogin problems such as not being able to log into DSLogin, or a person could log into DSLogin but then not being able to connect to TOP thru DSLogin because TOP and DSLogin were having connection/interface problems.

Anyway, I would recommend you try creating direct TOP login (whether or no you had direct login before).....as you "may" not get the "Sorry Charlie..." type error message saying no can do because you have been accessing via DSLogin.   Then again, maybe TOP and DSLogin has once again closed the door of creating a TOP direct login if you have DSLogin credentials.  It don't hurt to try....all that can happen is you get a Sorry Charlie type error message at the end of the TOP acct creation/registration process.  And if you are successful, DO NOT access TOP via DSLogin again as doing so would probably kill-off you TOP direct login credentials....it's not like you can access "both" way....it's either one or the other, but not both.   Cheers. 

19 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

189 NETA vehicles registered in May, they are as dead as a door 🚪 nail.

Probably mostly made-up of those Neta vehicles that certain Neta dealerships sold for around Bt300K "with no warranty"....pretty much an "As Is" buy. 

Definitely read the AutoLifeThailand article which is an interview/Q&A with the Neta Thailand HiSo's.   Definitely does not look good.  I expect by the end of this month/June there will be something more definitive on Neta's fate.    Yea, read below article....lots of revealing Q&As.

https://autolifethailand.tv/neta-auto-thailand-4-june-2025/

A snapshot from Facebook Neta Auto Thailand....a Facebook post made around 3pm 6 June 2025.   The post says the Neta Spare Parts Distribution Center is supposedly up and running.   I can confirm the center is open as I drive by it once or twice a week between my Bangkok home and my MIL's home in Nakhon Pathom.  Now how many parts the center really has is anyone's guess but Neta is sure making it sound like all is well with Neta in Thailand.  I hope it works out for them.

https://www.facebook.com/NetaAutoThailand/

2 hours ago, CLW said:

More news about Neta Thailand from Khaosod English FB

 

NETA Thailand is clearing its stock and dumping the price of the NETA V-II EV to 299,000 baht per car. 

How in the world can they be selling a Neta VII below $300K!!!!   A car that is "youthful & sporty"....a car with "cute big-eyed" headlights...throw in "starlight" and "galaxy" descriptions...."unique & outstanding"....etc....etc....etc.  Below from Neta Thailand website.  😉

https://www.neta.co.th/en/product/NetaV-II

@motdaeng

   Thanks for above video and yea, this guy seems to provide down to earth videos.    I think his 7 minute video below doing a quick overview of the Sealion 7 is very good....down to earth.    And just for others listening in the video below is "not" saying "don't buy the Sealion 7 but just saying don't buy it if certain things are very important to you which could be said about any vehicle as people have different wants and desires.