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Obama promised change and people were hungry for it.
Sadly, that was just electioneering and they got more of the same revolving-door, lobbyist driven billsh1t.
Trump again offers change but this time it appears he is not a sell out like Obama.
If Trump gets in, politics will change forever in the US. No longer will we see hour long interviews with politicians avoiding answering a single question. The politicians will be forced to take a stand.
Hillary has no experience. I run a software company but my wife couldnt. Hillaries' claim to fame is that she was married to a president.
It amazes me that people worry about a billionaire businessman becoming president but think being an ex-presidents housewife is qualification enough.
I agree with you , in the unlikely event Trump gets elected politics will change for ever
watch what you wish for, change is not always good.
30 % of the republicans support support Trump at this time in a very crowded field, the remaining 70% do not, what remains to be seen is , when the field settles to two or three candidates as it will inevitable do, how many of the 70% will gravitate to Tramp and how many to his opponent/ opponents
Given his behavior so far, I am willing to say that his outrageous behavior attract the outrageous fringe wing of the republican party who max out at 30% , and the remaining 70% will support others,
if the field settles to two, I predict Trump will loose by a large margin.
In the end the only effect Trump will have in this election is to cause the eventual republican nominee to drift too far to the right, to his/hers detriment in the general election.
By 'outrageous behavior' I presume you mean actually answering questions?
No , by courageous behavior I mean the nature of his statements and demeanor.
as far as answering questions, he is actually answering NOTHING, when asked how he will acomplish these things he says he will, his only answer is
, by the force of his incredible personality .Ohh wait, and he is smart
in an interview on CNN yesterday one of his minions when asked how will Trump acomplish the things he said he do, he said he will release these facts as needed, it is not necessary for him to release complicated strategies now that the american people will not even understand.
In his opinion the American people are too stupid also,
I agree, at least the 30% of republicans who support them are.
Remember for him to be elected President he will need the remaining 70% of republicans many independents and some democrats
Good luck that happening
Ohh and on lowering taxes, while rebuilding the infrastructure, and increasing benefits, he said he will do it by trimming the fat in the federal budget.
We have never heard this before
watch what you wish for, change is not always good.
And no change means more of the same garbage that has been the past 2 presidents. Do you really want more of that?
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Obama promised change and people were hungry for it.
Sadly, that was just electioneering and they got more of the same revolving-door, lobbyist driven billsh1t.
Trump again offers change but this time it appears he is not a sell out like Obama.
If Trump gets in, politics will change forever in the US. No longer will we see hour long interviews with politicians avoiding answering a single question. The politicians will be forced to take a stand.
Hillary has no experience. I run a software company but my wife couldnt. Hillaries' claim to fame is that she was married to a president.
It amazes me that people worry about a billionaire businessman becoming president but think being an ex-presidents housewife is qualification enough.
I agree with you , in the unlikely event Trump gets elected politics will change for ever
watch what you wish for, change is not always good.
30 % of the republicans support support Trump at this time in a very crowded field, the remaining 70% do not, what remains to be seen is , when the field settles to two or three candidates as it will inevitable do, how many of the 70% will gravitate to Tramp and how many to his opponent/ opponents
Given his behavior so far, I am willing to say that his outrageous behavior attract the outrageous fringe wing of the republican party who max out at 30% , and the remaining 70% will support others,
if the field settles to two, I predict Trump will loose by a large margin.
In the end the only effect Trump will have in this election is to cause the eventual republican nominee to drift too far to the right, to his/hers detriment in the general election.
By 'outrageous behavior' I presume you mean actually answering questions?
No , by courageous behavior I mean the nature of his statements and demeanor.
as far as answering questions, he is actually answering NOTHING, when asked how he will acomplish these things he says he will, his only answer is
, by the force of his incredible personality .Ohh wait, and he is smart
in an interview on CNN yesterday one of his minions when asked how will Trump acomplish the things he said he do, he said he will release these facts as needed, it is not necessary for him to release complicated strategies now that the american people will not even understand.
In his opinion the American people are too stupid also,
I agree, at least the 30% of republicans who support them are.
Remember for him to be elected President he will need the remaining 70% of republicans many independents and some democrats
Good luck that happening
Ohh and on lowering taxes, while rebuilding the infrastructure, and increasing benefits, he said he will do it by trimming the fat in the federal budget.
We have never heard this before
he will do it by trimming the fat in the federal budget.
ie the pork that politicians give themselves. Entirely corrupt.
Yes, it's been heard before, but that because it's always lying politicians saying it. Trump is not a scumbag politician that is trying to keep his snout in the trough, so he is in a good position to veto any bills with pork attached, unlike Clinton who is as corrupt as any politician, if not more so.
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Same could be said about Rolling Stone, but it caters to the lefty looney crowd.
Fair enough. Another name for these folks is "millennials."
Well maybe a branch of them, they do not understand conservatism due to inexperience or perhaps sheltered due to life in a gated community. That's my take but the Rolling Stone article is revealing.
More about the popularity of Trump: Ann Coulter implies Trump is proof that "God has not given up on America yet."
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIDjsKw1y8Q
You're quoting Ann Coulter? Man, that lady is the looniest of the looneys.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.676293
This is why we have such a wide chasm in America right now. People that I think are complete nutbags (e.g., Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Carson, Cruz, et al) you probably think are legit. Even the word "conservatism" means different things to different people. Those on the right and left will never agree. All we can hope for is that our side outnumbers the other side.
You could put all those people together and the sum total of "nutbaginess" would be way short of Pelosi. She is the nuttiest person I have ever seen, and that she was Dems leader in the house says it all about the Dems, LOL.
No one can seriously say the past years of the Dems in charge have been good for America. Just because the GOP aren't any better is not to say the Dems are good. The US political system is broken, and bad for the whole world.
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I think this thread should have been called " Cost of Living in Bangkok"..
There is much more to Thailand than just bangkok and most is far less expensive.
I am amazed at what some of you pay to rent an apartment there, and, not loving the city lifestyle, need to ask myself why you do it.
For an example:
My family and I live in a house on about one acre of land. ( see attached photo )
The house was brand new when we moved in two years ago.
It is in a quite area, but only about 3 minutes away from "the big city".
We love it.
The rent?
3,500 THB / Month
I know we all have different needs and wants.
The life my family enjoys is far less expensive than " The Big Mango".
ask myself why you do it.
Because:
not everyone wants to be living in someone else's house ( that can kick one out if it all goes wrong )
not everyone wants to live in the village
not everyone wants to look after an acre of land
not everyone wants to be stuck in one place
etc
etc.
Good that you like it, but some would find it more like a living death.
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I spend 7,000 baht a month every month but sometimes its 12,000 and sometimes 15,000
If you ended up in the hospital and the bill came to 300,000, could you pay it?
How would that impact the capital you have producing your monthly income?
He is obviously referring to current expenses and not yearly like insurance. Anyone that does not have health insurance is one second away from disaster.
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I have never used the bank deposit system but even I know that your letter from the bank is supposed to match your bank book. It only makes sense. You can go in get your letter one day and the next dy tak it all out. It is just a little stp to keep you honest.
3 First time straightforward, no extras. Second time, had to go to bank to get bankbook updated on the day, third time, had to provide proof of residence. Nowhere was it written in THEIR OWN list of requirements that such was required.Every time I have applied for a retirement extension at C M I have been required to jump through new hoops, and none of the "new" requirements have been written in the information they themselves issue to clients. Seems to me that they just want to make it harder, for no real reason that I can understand, other than they don't want us to live in LOS.
How many years have you been doing your retirement extension?
I have done four and the requirements have been the same every year. Never have I felt that I was having to jump through hoops to get my stamp, it has always been completely painless.
Because they invent things to ask for means that none of us knows exactly what is required when we go.
Now they apparently want TM 28 and 30. One has reported having to bring an official from their area.
Just because you have been lucky doesn't mean everyone is so fortunate.
Where did you go for yours?
Yes the proof of residence is a hit or miss thing. I see you have been here 8 years and were asked to comply with the banking system only once and the proof of residence only once. I hardly call that changing the system and new hoops every year.
I see you have been here 8 years
LOL. I have been coming to Thailand a lot longer than that, but only wanted extensions 3 times so far and 2nd and 3rd time more hoops, ie 100% of the times more hoops. It does help if you have the correct facts.
You can go in get your letter one day and the next dy tak it all out. It is just a little stp to keep you honest.
Sorry but that is silly. My 800,000 baht never leaves the account, ie it is in a lot longer than the required 3 months. I get the letter within the previous 7 days as required, and if I took the money out one day before the extension SO WHAT? It's required to prove I can support myself while in LOS, not so the immigration officers can play games by making things harder.
So what's with the "honest"?
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Thai officialdom is confused. On the one hand they want lots of tourists to come and spend money, but on the other hand they don't want a load of aliens cluttering up the place long time. Three weeks and spend all your money is good, 365 days is bad, even if you spend a lot of money.
They are currently making it more difficult for expats to extend non O visas as well
So on the one hand we have the TAT wanting people to come, stay in hotels, eat at restaurants, buy souvenier junk, and on the other hand, immigration is making it hard to stay long time, especially for tourists that want to stay more than a few weeks in one year.
BTW, don't expect any sympathy because you have a Thai GF. They are making it so hard, wives and children will be left bereft as their husbands/ fathers are forced to leave LOS, or should I say "the land that once was LOS"- I don't see many smiles in Thailand now, other than in the tourist brochures.
Other than getting a visa in another country, I think you are going to have a problem till you turn 50.
It's not the gf issue that I am buzzed about.. More of a I have a legit business in Singapore, this is 2015 not 1990, I don't have to be around 24/7 to run my business effectively but the thai staff at the embassy think otherwise.
If and when I turn 50 which is another 15 years, they might have change the laws again then. That's if I can live to 50 though.
this is 2015 not 1990
Actually things were great in 1990, I got 90 days at the border, as many times as I wanted. Also, back to back 30 days were fine for any "tourists" that wanted to live in LOS ( and it really was LOS then ).
It's over the years since then that things have got harder.
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The case of shutting the barn's doors after the horses has bolted already, you have hundreds of thousands of questionable ' refugee ' in your midst, and almost all undocumented, how do you propose to go about it, do propose a ' selection ' method to bring back bad memories of earlier selection processes? are you going to deny those already in from uniting, in time, with their loved ones?
Germany, what ever you will do, you're doomed not to learn from past mistakes, and now, with
this fifth column among you, your future is pretty bleak....
are you going to deny those already in from uniting, in time, with their loved ones?
They should. If those young men are single, they have no one to bring in, and if they are married/ have children, they abandoned them to a fate they did not want for themselves and don't deserve any sympathy.
The idea that a "refugee" should be able to bring in family is wrong anyway, as a genuine "refugee" will be going back home when the troubles are over, not becoming a citizen.
That happened to the Afghans in London. When I went there were loads of them, few years later all gone back home.
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PS. If you just fly in and get 30 days visa exempt, you can extend that for 30 days now at immigration in Thailand. Theoretically, you don't need a visa to get 2 months.
Just check that that applies to Singaporeans though.
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Thai officialdom is confused. On the one hand they want lots of tourists to come and spend money, but on the other hand they don't want a load of aliens cluttering up the place long time. Three weeks and spend all your money is good, 365 days is bad, even if you spend a lot of money.
They are currently making it more difficult for expats to extend non O visas as well
So on the one hand we have the TAT wanting people to come, stay in hotels, eat at restaurants, buy souvenier junk, and on the other hand, immigration is making it hard to stay long time, especially for tourists that want to stay more than a few weeks in one year.
BTW, don't expect any sympathy because you have a Thai GF. They are making it so hard, wives and children will be left bereft as their husbands/ fathers are forced to leave LOS, or should I say "the land that once was LOS"- I don't see many smiles in Thailand now, other than in the tourist brochures.
Other than getting a visa in another country, I think you are going to have a problem till you turn 50.
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Too little, too late.
They should have been working with Turkey from the start and a certain person should have kept her mouth shut.
Has Amnesty International been taken over by the bleeding hearts? Used to be they helped individual persons in trouble, not get involved in illegal economic migration.
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Israelis better start getting serious about the two state solution, or they can only expect to live looking over their shoulder so long as they live.
If they stop it in Jerusalem it will start in the west bank, and if they stop it there, it will spread worldwide- good luck stopping that with checkpoints!
They still have time to do the right thing- agree to the two state solution and withdraw from the illegally occupied Palestinian lands. However, time is running out.
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Trump makes me ashamed to be from the US. He is racist, anti-immigrant, and a misogynist. He keeps himself in the headlines because the tabloid press in the US, especially FOX News, is only interested in headline grabbing actions instead of any serious discussion of the serious political issues facing the country. A sad, sad commentary on the state of affairs in the USA.
Don't lump all politics in American in with the state of the Republican party. HRC or Bernie will make good Presidents. Biden is a good man.
It's the Republican party that's gone completely off the rails.
From Bush's condescending yammering, Trump's racism and xenophobia, Carson's Christian supremacy, to Fiorina's bald faced lying, yes, American's should be ashamed they let this right wing utter nonsense have a say in American politics. We can thank Roger Ailes, Rupert Murdoch and the disgusting Fox News for all of the right wing lies and loony tune nonsense.
Did I forget little Ricky Rubio? It's starting to look like he'll benefit from this rolling disaster that is the Republican party. He does occasionally sound human. That's about it for saying something positive about any of these Republican candidates. OCCASIONALLY, one of them will sound human. Then when you get into where Little Ricky stands on things you realize, he's just another right wing idiot.
I'm very positive about the state of affairs in the USA. I see a crushing defeat for Republicans a year from now and I see it more and more every day.
HRC or Bernie will make good Presidents. Biden is a good man.
Go Donald go. Give those useless politicians a good kicking. I just don't understand why Bush is still in there- the name alone should make people run, run, run from him.
I see a crushing defeat for Republicans a year from now
I sadly agree. It will be bad for the rest of us in the world- more of the same garbage as the last 6 1/2 or so years.
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Anyone who believes that removing Assad will result in a nice, cosy, democratic State is deluded.
Have a glance around the ME and Afghanistan for evidence of "democracy" being successfully implemented.
Don't know anyone who might think that about Syria, certainly not any realistic person.
For one thing 250,000 slaughtered Syrians won't vote and a few million who are refugees in other lands would be hard to set up for postal ballots. If there's still a Syrian postal system. A lot of people remaining in country are Assad people. Syria won't be a democracy in Assad's lifetime but then the way things are going that might not be such a long time either.
Btw if one has read my posts even casually one finds I said Assad out, a US-Russia-Arab-Nato compromise entity to run the country with democracy a later concern (much much later). First concern would be to get the rebels to the table. If the rebels might need to be blasted to the table, put Putin on it cause Vlad is always rushing out to show his muscle between his ears.
The only way to deal with the current Syria is by realpolitik. Kid gloves in handling the primal people who own Syria ain't gonna do it.
Putin should have entered the conflict in Syria with the United States, not against it. Putin supports a miserable mass murderer of his own people, as do the ayatollahs. I hope I didn't go off topic cause the thread is about Russia bombing Syria. And no one expects democracy out of Putin or Russia.
a US-Russia-Arab-Nato compromise entity to run the country
Iran will run Syria after the fighting stops.
NATO won't get involved because hopefully they ( countries other than the US ) have too much sense to get involved in the inevitable FUBAR. They didn't try to run Libya, so why would they try to run Syria?
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Putin has no leverage over Europe and Putin is powerless against Europe.
The EU is a part of Nato and has severe long term economic sanctions against Russia.
EU has during the past two years signed energy contracts with governments of countries that are not strategic rivals or opponents of Europe the way Putin and Russia are, to include of course the United States. EU has meanwhile built an energy stockpile to ensure a full winter of uninterrupted energy availability independent of Russia.
Putin knows if he had ever shut off energy supplies to Europe he'd lose $1 billion a day. Putin never threatened it. Others outside of Russia who run at the mouth about Russian energy vis-a-vis Europe prattle on because they don't know the realities or the realpolitik of it, not to mention the economics.
So what about the winter after this one? Importing energy from farther away will obviously increase prices.
Russia can sell all its gas to China if they build a pipeline ( I think they are already doing that ).
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Hard124get posted the following earlier;
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"It wa a classic honeytrap, the first woman arranged for the trip , invited Assange to stay at her flat, agreed to have sex, then after the alleged rape, she arranged a party for him and let him stay at her flat for another week ! The allegations of the complainants are not credible and were dismissed by the senior Stockholm prosecutor as not worthy of further investigation."
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My comments are;
I think you are being a little bit selective in your comments.
The honeytrap comment is pure conjecture! The agreement to stay in the first womens flat is not in dispute. The rest is
Yes one charge was dropped back in Aug 2010 but was re-applied 11 days later. Please see more time lines below;
1 September 2010
1. Ms Nye says she is reopening the rape investigation against Mr Assange, eleven days after a chief prosecutor announced the arrest warrant had been dropped. Ms Nye is also head of the department that oversees prosecution of sex crimes in particular.
"There is reason to believe that a crime has been committed," she says in a statement. "Considering information available at present, my judgement is that the classification of the crime is rape."
Ms Nye says the investigation into the molestation claim will also be extended. She tells AFP that overturning another prosecutor's decision was "not an ordinary (procedure), but not so out of the ordinary either".
13 August 2015
Swedish prosecutors drop their investigation into one accusation of sexual molestation and one of unlawful coercion against Mr Assange because they have run out of time to question him. A time limit on a further allegation of sexual molestation is due to run out on 18 August. The more serious allegation of rape is not due to expire until 2020.
Mr Assange says he is "extremely disappointed".
12 October 2015
1. Scotland Yard announces it will no longer be sending officers to stand guard outside the Ecuadorean embassy in Knightsbridge, central London. Officers have been there since 2012, at an estimated cost of more than £12m.
In a statement the Met Police said: "Like all public services, MPS resources are finite. With so many different criminal, and other, threats to the city it protects, the current deployment of officers is no longer believed proportionate."
However it also said it would be deploying "a number of overt and covert tactics to arrest" Mr Assange.
PS I agree the whole guarding of the Embassy is a fiasco.
But this man should face justice and stand trial according to the facts as laid out by the Swedish and UK authorities at present.
His alleged leaking offences should and must be dealt with on their own merits in the appropriate court(s) otherwise all accused persons can do the same as him and avoid their day in court
The whole point is that Assange is not an ordinary suspect, and that the US want to lock him up forever. That takes everything into the political realm. The US can easily end the whole fiasco by giving a written assurance that he will not be extradited to the US on that matter. The fact that they won't speaks to the heart of the case.
BTW, I believe that Assange was only wanted for questioning in Sweden. How difficult would it be for someone to travel to London to do so. The British government could have saved 11 million quid by paying Sweden for someone to do so.
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that the Israeli right wing does not have a clear answer with regard to the implications of their current policies.
If they do not know what the outcome of their policies will be then they are ignorant. They only have to look at what became of apartheid Sth Africa to know what will happen eventually. While the US currently uses it's veto to prevent anti Israeli votes in the UN becoming policy, that will change, sooner or later, and when that happens it really will be the end game for Israel, and very much self inflicted.
Currently, the situation is like a tsunami when the sea has retreated. It looks quiet, but when the water comes back it washes everything away in its path. Same will happen to Israel when they go too far ( as they will ) and ignite a rage against them throughout the world.
Israel is a specific case. It is not South Africa. It is not Nazi Germany.
Yes, it is a specific case and it will be specifically targeted when it goes too far ( as it will ).
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This year they have kicked it up a cog ie place of residence - TM28/TM30
The TM28/TM30 have been required for longer than you have been extending your visa. The good news is that once they are properly filed, you can get a "yellow Book". from the Amphur. This is a painless procedure and not at all expensive. This will establish your "residence" to everyone, including the Immigration Service.
I have NEVER seen mention of TM 28/30 being required before, and NEVER had to provide such myself.
I believe that not everyone can obtain yellow book.
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Every time I have applied for a retirement extension at C M I have been required to jump through new hoops, and none of the "new" requirements have been written in the information they themselves issue to clients. Seems to me that they just want to make it harder, for no real reason that I can understand, other than they don't want us to live in LOS.
How many years have you been doing your retirement extension?
I have done four and the requirements have been the same every year. Never have I felt that I was having to jump through hoops to get my stamp, it has always been completely painless.
3 First time straightforward, no extras. Second time, had to go to bank to get bankbook updated on the day, third time, had to provide proof of residence. Nowhere was it written in THEIR OWN list of requirements that such was required.
Because they invent things to ask for means that none of us knows exactly what is required when we go.
Now they apparently want TM 28 and 30. One has reported having to bring an official from their area.
Just because you have been lucky doesn't mean everyone is so fortunate.
Where did you go for yours?
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A few days ago, the Associated Press announced it would no longer use the words "skeptic" and "denier" in its coverage of climate matters. The reason (on the denier word) was that it was a pejorative description which was linked too closely to Holocaust denial. Fairly minor stuff, you would argue, but it caused serious exploding heads in the Green/Left community, who felt that AP were betraying the cause by removing one of their favourite labels.
Salon magazine, for example, did not accept that climate "deniers" could be equated with Holocaust deniers.
"Climate change denial is actually much worse than Holocaust denial," they stated in a piece designed to rally the faithful. "The problem isn’t that 'denier' has a 'pejorative ring', it’s that it’s not nearly pejorative enough. 'Climate holocaust co-conspirator' would be more apt."
Sometimes I think there is a single author furiously writing Green/Left agit-prop, because it all sounds the same. The Salon piece was a classic which recycled all the tiresome points:
* We are right (the reality-based community); everything else is disinformation (anti-science). There is no debate.
* Anyone who disagrees is stupid, brainwashed by Right-wing sources or paid off by Big Oil.
* Anyone who disagrees with us is not just wrong but evil, is always lying and should be hated to the maximum. They are so inhuman that they care nothing for future generations, including their own children
* Anyone who is not with us is against us ( "You either align yourself more or less with the climate deniers—consciously or unconsciously—or you align yourself against them. There is no “neutral” ground outside of or above the debate")
To anyone capable of independent thought, this foam-flecked rant is interesting. It reveals at a stroke the hatred that is the driving force of the Green/Left, the staggering emotional immaturity, the slavish adherence to the cult, and the absolute lack of originality and imagination among its adherents.
Compared to these people, the Pope is a rational moderate.
This amusing piece, unsurprisingly titled "Wrong, wrong, wrong: The anti-science bullsh*t which explains why the right gets away with lies — and why the mainstream media lets them" can be found here
For me Climate Deniers are similar to people who believe in 'creationism' and refute Evolution and firmly believe the Earth is 5000 years old and a god made Earth in 7 days. No evidence or education can make them believe otherwise. Climate Denial seems to appeal to right wing political ideology and there isn't a great deal anyone can do about. It never ceases to amaze me the bizarre things people believe.
NO ONE on here is a "climate DENIER". Climate happens all the time, every day and every minute of every day.
However, if by that you mean people that don't believe that humans can reverse climate, then there would be quite a few.
BTW, I'm still waiting for you to come up with ANYTHING that ANY government has done that will ACTUALLY reverse GW. I'm pickin' you can't, for the simple reason that NONE of them has done ANYTHING that actually works.
god made Earth in 7 days
You might want to check on the source to correct that!
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Morch says above (sorry thread full)
There is no one in a position of power in Israel calling for mass deportation of Palestinians, there is no general public support for that sort of thing as well. On top, Israel simply does not have the stomach to carry out something on that scale. Basically, it's just one of your standard propaganda red herring statements.Here are just a few samples of the people in a position of power in Netanyahu's current cabinet on the issue of a 2 state solution.Silvan Shalom, interior minister (Likud)"We are all against a Palestinian state, there is no question about it."Tzipi Hotovely, deputy foreign minister (Likud)"This land is ours. All of it is ours"Naftali Bennett, education minister (Jewish Home)Aside from repeatedly comparing Palestinians to monkeys, Bennett - the former head of the Yesha Council, which represents Israel's illegal settlements - told the New Yorker in 2013: "I will do everything in my power to make sure they never get a state."more from other cabinet members... (could only quote 3...fair usage)The two-state solution is deadJust ask Israel's own ministershttp://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/05/state-palestine-israel-zionist-150527070943455.htmlMy question is: if Netanyahu's current cabinet have ruled out a 2 state solution, mathematically we are left with a one state solution. What do they plan to do with the existing 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank?..deportation, equal citizenship or apartheid? Simple question.Morch's other quote..Curious to know how does Netanyahu's left wing opposition figure into this view of Zionism.Zionism, yes even ZU's Herzog's variety, is racist. I do not believe that overseas Jews should take precedence in citizenship over the existing non Jewish population.I would like to see Israel become a secular state with perhaps a special proviso that it is always a haven for any persecuted Jewish refugees, and existing family reunions..
How do the quotes appearing in the linked article relevant to "mass deportation of Palestinians"? And I do not mean your wild conjectures, but factually, where exactly is it even mentioned. Furthermore, it would take quite a leap of imagination to define most of the politicians quoted as wielding real power when it comes to hypothetical decisions of this magnitude, titles notwithstanding.
The question asked was discussed many times on these topics, including this one. Namely, that the Israeli right wing does not have a clear answer with regard to the implications of their current policies. That you refuse to accept that as a reality, does not change the way things are. Nor does it land credibility to conspiracy theories aired.
Predictably, similar quotes from the Palestinian side receive little acknowledgement (off the top of my head - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/860733-israel-launches-airstrikes-on-targets-in-gaza/?p=9938708).
As for the second issue:
What you actually posted was "I commonly differentiate between the many righteous Israelis who are genuinely seeking peace and bigoted Zionists who only believe in racial supremacy." (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/862271-death-toll-mounts-in-israel-and-the-palestinian-territories/?p=9966052).
If Herzog & Co, are deemed racist, who would be those "many righteous Israelis who are genuinely seeking peace"? And, if Herzog & Co. are racist, who is there for the Palestinians to make peace with?
that the Israeli right wing does not have a clear answer with regard to the implications of their current policies.
If they do not know what the outcome of their policies will be then they are ignorant. They only have to look at what became of apartheid Sth Africa to know what will happen eventually. While the US currently uses it's veto to prevent anti Israeli votes in the UN becoming policy, that will change, sooner or later, and when that happens it really will be the end game for Israel, and very much self inflicted.
Currently, the situation is like a tsunami when the sea has retreated. It looks quiet, but when the water comes back it washes everything away in its path. Same will happen to Israel when they go too far ( as they will ) and ignite a rage against them throughout the world.
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Zionism, yes even ZU's Herzog's variety, is racist. I do not believe that overseas Jews should take precedence in citizenship over the existing non Jewish population.I would like to see Israel become a secular state with perhaps a special proviso that it is always a haven for any persecuted Jewish refugees, and existing family reunions.
Zionism was never inherently racist although it was a separatist movement. Within the group of modern day Israelis who were born in Israel and thus can not be considered Zionist, there are indeed a lot of racists, such as those who claim they can smell an Arab from a distance. But you can also find many Israelis who speak Arabic and have great sympathy towards their neighbors. Of course the Israeli racism that exists is not nearly as systematic as the racism instilled into the neighboring countries against Jews seen prolifically in the media and even in the school textbooks. Racism, or at least serious prejudice abounds throughout the Middle East. Just look at the Sunni-Shia conflicts. You want to see real racism then find someone bold enough to attempt to publicly daven (Jewish prayer)in the streets of Riyadh or Mecca.
Of course it is a pipe dream that goes against the tides of history that you can have a secular state in the Middle East with a non-Jewish majority that will protect the rights of that Jewish minority. I use to think that all you needed was to get Arafat and Golda Meir into a room, have them smoke a little pot together and sing Kumbaya and they would come out with a peace treaty having seen the light. Perhaps my pessimism is a reflection that I now prefer Sang Som and soda to inhaling cannabis.
You want to see real racism then find someone bold enough to attempt to publicly daven (Jewish prayer)in the streets of Riyadh or Mecca
You are incorrect. That would apply to Christians as well, so not specifically anti Jewish. Anyway it's nothing to do with racism ( and Jews are not a particular race ); it's religious intolerance.
BTW, non Muslims are not permitted in Mecca.
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Well.....even I, with zero experience in statesmanship, can tell you that the only way this ends will be when one of them goes.
And your suggestion is..................................
one of them has to go.
And your suggestion as to how that will be achieved is............................
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The EU has a vested interest in this situation, unless they want even more Syrians in Europe.
Exactly. And this new bombing campaign isn't helping...if Russia really wanted to help, they'd get Assad to stop the attacks on anti-government rebels and bring the various opposition parties to the table for negotiations. Then they could focus on the real enemy - ISIS.
Why on earth would Russia want to help out the EU? The immigrants aren't going to Russia so they don't care about that. As for the EU calling on Russia to do anything
. If they cause too much fuss, Russia will just turn off the gas. The EU is powerless against Russia.Russia is supporting Assad, not wanting to remove him.
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Perhaps you can enlighten us as to their realistic solutions to the crisis they claim is about to kill us all? I have heard nothing from them, and they continue to jet about the world and drive cars.