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Who is saying 'the change is now in the hands of humans'

YOU.

You have been telling us G W is caused by humans, ergo the change is caused by humans, ergo the change is in the hands of humans.

I haven't been telling anyone anything. Canuk made that statement.

You said in # 176

As someone who accepts the scientific evidence of GW / CC I would hope the silence is absolutely deafening on this absurd suggestion.

Are you now trying to tell me that you don't believe that it is caused by humans when all your posts imply that it is?

• I took out travel insurance with covermore, and when i did need to claim i realized it didnt cover anything you really need to read the fine print, never use covermore

There aren't many that will cover things you might actually need.

Especially if you are over 70 and any treatment needed is likely to be a pre existing condition and therefore not covered!

Medical isn't the only things covered by travel insurance. I got repaid for my hospital bill after a m'bike accident.

• I took out travel insurance with covermore, and when i did need to claim i realized it didnt cover anything you really need to read the fine print, never use covermore

There aren't many that will cover things you might actually need.

I got paid back everything I spent on the hospital bills except for the $200 excess.

Food: $7000

Commuting: $4200

Sundries: $1500

Pharmacy/Clinic: $2000

My mind is boggled at your food bill. Otherwise, you spend an awful lot commuting ( ever considered living closer to work? ), on sundries ( whatever they may be ) and you must be extraordinarily unhealthy to spend that much on drugs and Drs per month. That's way more than I spend on them in a year, and you do have health insurance.

Food is a challenge...street food meals are fine...also cook in a couple days. Not unhealthy but a couple of scrips per month (BP meds etc) and doctor/dentist fees add up....some months yes...but err budgetwise on the high side. Yes closer to work or taking the bus is an option. Sundries: soap, toilet paper, etc, deodorant, shaving, etc etc.....and again remember much of the $6400 is used to dine out also...so not starving at all and get to sit down and eat. No western food for the most part is the big savings in food.

Streetfood!!!! I take it you mean baht, not the $ that you have used for your budget. Makes a vast difference.

Yes...I don't have the baht symbol.....

Then write baht. We aren't psychic and don't know you meant baht when using the $ symbol.

So because the son had some fun, you want to destroy a family?

I didnt allow my son to be raped so i am not destroying anything. The father did that. Isuggest by the actions of the father that the familly is already destroyed. Children need to be protected from pedophiles.

The son (if all is true) started it and she just didn't resist. So you can't call it a rape. And there is no reported damage to the son. The family sounds strange, but you can't call it destroyed.

I complete agree that it is wrong for an 11 year old. But I have a hard time finding some harm done. When I was 14 I dreamed about such things with teacher, nurse, or any other female. Some people have it a bit earlier some a bit later.

Again, we do not have the situation that a smart male predator lured an innocent girl into not resisting something he does to her. We have a boy wanting to do something and she did not resist....Wrong but not a drama....

Edit: I can't see a pedophile here: paedo the child and phil the love.....she didn't want it....

It matters not who wanted it or who started it. He is a minor so it is rape.

You mean STATUTORY rape. Also depends on the country as to what it is called, and some legal systems define rape as penetration of a vagina.

*cutting out idiot rhetoric*

So please tell me again how Obama is the best president?

1. Operation Neptune Spear (this alone weighed against all the quagmire of the Iraq war and your favorite topic.. the national debt created from it, not to mention the lives and limbs lost from Iraq war).. consider that next time you vote for a neocon

2. Equal Rights for LBGT (I couldn't even take my spouse to the USA without DOMA ruling)

3. Obamacare works beautifully for my spouse

4. My 401k is a lot better today than it was in October 2008.

5. Gas costs less than half of what it did in 2008.

6. The economy. His gamble on TARP and his plan is working.. the economy is recovering.. slowly but surely compared to Europe/ China/ Russia/ Brazil.. they would kill to be in the United States shoes right now. We're definitely not losing 750,000 jobs a month.. we're adding 200k or more consistently.

7. Anti-War Stance and getting out of Iraq

8. Opening Cuba

9. The alternative is just obstruct obstruct obstruct and do nothing except preaching trickle down economics which convincing suckers at the bottom of the economic pyramid they can make money when the only one's making anything are those at the top, kill food stamps, pell grants, medicare, medicaid, privatize social security, education, pensions, get cronies to run it into the ground, lower taxes for the 1% while raising sales taxes, tolls, fees and then rail on and on how government doesn't work.

I would like the next POTUS to continue progressive policies and try to be even better than Obama has been.

Hopefully it's Bernie Sanders! I think Bernie can do a 5 times better job than Obama but that doesn't mean Obama isn't better than Reagan, Bush and Bush.

5. Gas costs less than half of what it did in 2008.

DESPITE Obama, not because of him. He has done everything he can to increase the price of fuel, including stopping the Keystone pipeline. It is only because of frakking that the price of fuel in the US has come down, combined with a world recession.

Black American voters vote the Democratic party at the rate of 90% probably 98% of the time.

Carson is a Republican which makes him the exception among black American voters. The dimwit Murdoch focused his statement on blackness, specifically Prez Obama and Dr. Carson. Then Murdock did the wise thing to apologize and to retract the statement.

All this yapping about bigots and liberal devils determined to destroy the United States is a rightwing diversion to avoid the issue that Carson is a political crackpot extremist lunatic who does not have the brain to be a town council member nevermind POTUS.

The political analysis is that Carson's crackpot views would destroy the country, apart from being black, apart from Barack Obama, apart from being some kind of conservative.

The discussion is about Carson, not some kind of concocted evil liberals and a hateful bigotry toward Dr. Carson. Carson and his views are open to critique and criticism. Carson's views have nothing to do with his being black, nor does anyone who criticises Carson's mad hatter political views have anything to do with bigotry. The rightwing is again trying to mangle the thread abut Carson the political lunatic and the rightwing is trying to obscure and hide the fact Carson is a political nutcase wierdo psycho.

Think Roger Ailes on steriods.

The discussion is NOT about Carson, it is about Murdoch.

Why don't I just ask you? You wish to be seen as some kind of climate expert.

Up2U2, has the climate frequently changed over the course of Earth's history?

Because I am not the one making the statements you are:

".......The temperature record is what it is. Not many people are in a position to argue the basic statistics, particularly the ancient ones. The record says the climate constantly changes. but to say the change is now in the hands of humans is something altogether different and a case that has been to be difficult to prove. Despite the unprecedented leverage by the various interest groups....."

What 'temperature record'? what 'basic statistics'? what 'record says the climate constantly changes'?

Who is saying 'the change is now in the hands of humans' and why is it 'altogether different' and 'difficult to prove'?

If you make these statements they must be based on something. Surely?

Who is saying 'the change is now in the hands of humans'

YOU.

You have been telling us G W is caused by humans, ergo the change is caused by humans, ergo the change is in the hands of humans.

We are all still waiting, waiting, waiting for your scientific community to come up with a viable plan to reverse the effects of GW. Given that they have not, and do not even look like coming up with a plan I'm pickin' that they have no solutions that would work.

NB windmills, solar panels and extra taxes will not solve the problem.

PS Given that not one of them points to overpopulation as the major cause of GW I scorn them.

Correct a mill to grind grain driven by wind will not solve the GW / CC problem.

So solar power and taxes are excluded what are the solutions you have seen that would be effective.

What mechanisms can be put in place to address overpopulation?

I don't know that any manmade solutions would work because it hasn't been proven to my satisfaction that humans caused it. However, if caused by human pollution, eliminating the private car in cities and stopping non essential air travel would be a start. Not easy or popular, but they do say we will all die if nothing is done, so giving up the car and air holidays would seem a small price to pay. Good public transport and fast electric trains ( powered by nuclear power stations ) would be a satisfactory substitute.

As for population control, not paying anyone to have children would be a start, as well as banning all artificial insemination or other aids to reproduction. If one can't have a child, tough.

I'd like to add mandatory sterilisation of all women after one child, but that would be a tough sell.

I tried to post a reply, but the page disappeared for no good reason, and have to try multiple times to post. Completely unsatisfactory and only happening on TV.

Income : 33k Per Month

rent: 32 Sq Mtr Studio: $6000

WIFI: 400

Phone: 200

Food: $7000

Health insurance: $4800 (Bupa Platinum)

Commuting: $4200

Utilities: $ 500

Sundries: $1500

Pharmacy/Clinic: $2000

Total: $26,600 Leaving $6400 for savings/emergencies/dates...whatever

Real numbers.....male late 50's

Food: $7000

Commuting: $4200

Sundries: $1500

Pharmacy/Clinic: $2000

My mind is boggled at your food bill. Otherwise, you spend an awful lot commuting ( ever considered living closer to work? ), on sundries ( whatever they may be ) and you must be extraordinarily unhealthy to spend that much on drugs and Drs per month. That's way more than I spend on them in a year, and you do have health insurance.

Food is a challenge...street food meals are fine...also cook in a couple days. Not unhealthy but a couple of scrips per month (BP meds etc) and doctor/dentist fees add up....some months yes...but err budgetwise on the high side. Yes closer to work or taking the bus is an option. Sundries: soap, toilet paper, etc, deodorant, shaving, etc etc.....and again remember much of the $6400 is used to dine out also...so not starving at all and get to sit down and eat. No western food for the most part is the big savings in food.

Streetfood!!!! I take it you mean baht, not the $ that you have used for your budget. Makes a vast difference.

The CIA report of 1974 was not justified simply as it was based on issues that had no scientific evidence or scientific consensus at the time.

Having read the report in its entirety, I can safely that that statement is, to use your own phrase, "absolute bunkum".

There was plenty of scientific evidence adduced, dozens of scientific publications cited, mechanisms and climate models invoked, and a National Climate Plan (for the US) was mooted, with input from the National Science Foundation, the National Academy of Sciences, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

This happened in concert with the Conclusion of the report, which read, in part: "Leaders in climatology and economics are in agreement that a climatic change is taking place and that it has already caused major economic problems around the world. As it becomes more apparent to the nations round the world that the current trend is indeed a long-term reality, new alignments will be made among nations to insure a secure supply of food resources."

They had evidence, they had plausible mechanisms, and they came to the wrong conclusions.

Recent research has shown conclusively that the the majority of the scientific consensus and scientific evidence for a short period during the early 70's was focused on Global Warming NOT Global Cooling. Were there reports of possible Global Cooling? Yes. Were those views dominant? No. If you did some basic research on the topic of Global Cooling early 70's you would know this.

Overall during the early 70's the scientific community came to the correct conclusion and that was Global Warming was the more realistic view as they are today based on the overwhelming scientific evidence and scientific consensus.

Your argument is back to front because here is what your CIA analogy is attempting to purport:

Today the scientific consensus on Global Warming is 99.994% you are arguing that because there is a 0.006% rejection of Global Warming the science should be rejected.

You would also be attempting to argue that because ONE study out of 17,000 studies reject Global Warming the science on Global warming should be rejected.

If there is ONE dissenting voice of ANY description on GW / CC then the entire scientific evidence and consensus should be scrapped.

It is a nonsense position.

We are all still waiting, waiting, waiting for your scientific community to come up with a viable plan to reverse the effects of GW. Given that they have not, and do not even look like coming up with a plan I'm pickin' that they have no solutions that would work.

NB windmills, solar panels and extra taxes will not solve the problem.

PS Given that not one of them points to overpopulation as the major cause of GW I scorn them.

Income : 33k Per Month

rent: 32 Sq Mtr Studio: $6000

WIFI: 400

Phone: 200

Food: $7000

Health insurance: $4800 (Bupa Platinum)

Commuting: $4200

Utilities: $ 500

Sundries: $1500

Pharmacy/Clinic: $2000

Total: $26,600 Leaving $6400 for savings/emergencies/dates...whatever

Real numbers.....male late 50's

Food: $7000

Commuting: $4200

Sundries: $1500

Pharmacy/Clinic: $2000

My mind is boggled at your food bill. Otherwise, you spend an awful lot commuting ( ever considered living closer to work? ), on sundries ( whatever they may be ) and you must be extraordinarily unhealthy to spend that much on drugs and Drs per month. That's way more than I spend on them in a year, and you do have health insurance.

Seems that either no one knows, or they're not telling.

There was no consensus on the Earth moving into an Ice Age in the 70's.

You seem to delight in inventing claims for me which I haven't made -- I suppose it's the dim-bulb climate equivalent of True Believers looking into an omelette and seeing the face of Jesus Christ.

Nor, for that matter, did I make any claims for the extent or duration of the Little Ice Age. So it is rather pointless for me to "check facts" which I have not claimed, supported or endorsed.

The tendency of self-styled experts to make grandiose and definitive claims which later turn out to be ludicrous, however, is a motif that runs through history, and is one which any sentient being should be aware, and wary, of.

"..........The "neo-boreal era" is also known as the Little Ice Age, and the report from the CIA (written in 1974) was on the subject of dangerous global cooling. There was no doubt. The science was settled and the debate was over.

"The climate of the neo-boreal time period has arrived..........."

The CIA's report was simply not factually correct. If you check the actual facts you would not post this incorrect CIA report from 1974.

The CIA references The Little Ice Age which was limited to a small region and relates it to GLOBAL cooling. Also the science was NOT settled or the debate over. The scientific consensus in the early 70's was global warming NOT global cooling.

So check your facts before you post misleading CIA reports from 1974 Rick.

Actually where did you get this misleading information from?

Probably from the same "scientists" that support GW/ CC now.

They didn't get it right back then, so why should I believe them now? It's all just guess work, and the answer depends on the information put into the computer. Like they say, "garbage in, garbage out".

Sex between consenting people is never rape. Dumb law only pervert that to a rape charge.

Wrong. Sex between consent ADULTS is never rape. A minor cannot give consent. It is rape.

The father gave permission on the sons behalf.

The father cannot. Its illegal and he too should be jailed and the son taken from him.

Why so many want to put everyone in jail? It's a non violent technical crime and should be treated without the taxpayer having to pay thousands of $ for years to punish people for having nookie. After all, nookie is really great and everyone wants to do it, so why get so down in this case? It's not as though anyone was beaten up and forcibly raped against their will.

This is becoming more of a problem as time goes by.

It is not 1960 anymore.

Humans are maturing sexually earlier and earlier and they want to have sex earlier.

Girls are starting to menstruate and have breast at 10 years old now, and that is a medical fact.

I believe the "problem" is biological.

Maybe the age of consent needs to be adjusted, maybe better sex education is the key?

I do not know the answer.

But hormones and physical, sexual maturity are developing much faster than mental development and responsibility today than ever before and will probably continue to do so in the future..

Before you start jumping all over me, I must state that I am not the least bit interested in sex with anyone who is young.

I am just stating that maybe science should trump preconceived "morals " in this issue.

You are probably correct, but while physical maturity may occur at a younger age, mental maturity has not kept pace, which is why I say 16 is young enough.

In all seriousness there should be some kind of 911 number for those who are so depressed and thinking of taking their own life. This is not a joking matter. It seems suicides happen every two weeks in Pattaya-- we all know the reasons: financial; broken heart; poor health; aging... Most "farangs" come here alone so there is no support system of family or even true friends to get emotional support, whereas back in our home countries we not only have family or friends but professional counselors that can re-direct our moments of depression. (If I my profession was in psychology this would be a great place to retire and open up a part time office.)

I agree with your sentiments as suicide is quite common here. In addition people who suffer from mental illness do not always continue to take prescribed medicines leading to extremely odd behaviour sometimes bringing about injury to themselves and possibly others. But what to do?

It's difficult at the best of times to quickly find access to medical or psychiatric professionals anywhere in the world and it's no different here. Quick response for cries of help is what is needed for unwell people but consider the barriers such as language. More than 100 nationalities come to Thailand every year e.g. French, Italian, German English, Americans et al. The HELP response teams would have to have a diverse range of language experts on hand for just such an emergency. Perhaps one way to assist those affected would be for hotels, resorts etc to have a HELP line stuck on the wall linked to a local hospital or foyer that could be linked to a professional practitioner in a local clinic. Unfortunately there's no easy answer for this serious problem.

I've said it in a previous reply, but again. IMO most of the suicides would be because the jumper is faced with having to go home to nothing, and prefers death to that. It's not because they are mentally disturbed.

Ergo, they wouldn't use the hotline anyway.

BTW, who do you see as being responsible for setting it up and paying for it? The jumper isn't going to pay, because he is broke.

RIP... how do you fall from a balcony? Thought they had railings to prevent this.

Often knee high.

Often rusty or broken.

Often tiled balconies.

Big rainstorms around lately.

There was a newsreport a few years ago of a hotel balcony railing snapping, and the person plunged to their death.

It came out that two previous customers had complained about it to the hotel management....

Welcome to Thai Duty of Care.

Alai wa?

Rest in Peace to this young man, whatever happened.

So, 2 people complained that the railing was dangerous, but did nothing about it other than complain. Why are people so pathetic these days?

Were they unable to go to one of the many, many hardware stores and buy some steel pipe to put across the gap? The store would even cut it to length if asked. An electric drill costs under 1000 baht and clamps, screws and rawl plugs are in any Homepro or suchlike. It's not difficult to drill a few holes and screw the pipe to the wall.

Expecting management in LOS to do anything is a bit silly, as TiT.

PS I know management SHOULD do something, but obviously in that case they wouldn't.

Tourists here on holiday, staying in a hotel?

Going to go to a DIY Hardware store to buy an electric drill and get stuck into manually repairing a loose rusty railing in the hotel?

Ah. You are correct. I had assumed it was in a condo, but on re reading the post it was in an hotel.

However, if an hotel guest is that concerned, they should insist on moving rooms, or change hotels.

I wouldn't stay in a dangerous room, and I do check before paying agreeing to stay in any hotel.

"irreproachable on background, achievements, character, vision." That's what Barack Obama is. The best President we have had for a long time. Not a real black President? That could be very true, in South African terms. Barack Obama never wanted to be a "black President". He has always wanted to be the President of all Americans regardless of color and has succeeded admirably in this. Think about it a little and you will find that a properly elected U.S. President can never be a "black President".

Well, he has certainly been a brilliant liar. Remember "If you like your Dr you can keep him, if you like your plan you can keep it"? 5555555555555555

Hmmmmmm. seems that Gaia may have had enough of the parasite humans and decided to reduce their numbers significantly.

Well, if humans won't reduce the population voluntarily, Gaia/ nature/ whatever you want to call it will.

The current GW / CC that threatens mankind is not Greek Mythology or Natural variability it is actually being caused by man polluting the atmosphere.

While you may be right, it is irrelevant. Humans will not do what is required to change it, and if the temp goes up by 6 degrees C, the methane storms will wipe out all life on the planet, and the life cycle will begin again from scratch.

Everytime I do anything it takes soooooooo long for the page to load. Whether it's changing from one thread to another or entering a reply to a post, I have to wait ages. Seems to be related to the ads taking soooooooo long to load. Only website I use that has the problem. Everything else loads instantly like I expect these days. However, TV is like the internet 15 years ago- waiting, waiting, waiting.

Never used to be like this.

Climate Denier Zombie Myths.

Currently China is actually the biggest mover on addressing GW / CC. A lot of the new coal fired power stations replaced old polluting coal fired power stations. As at 2014 power capacity utilisation is 54%. Although China has new power stations they are running at 50% capacity. They have spent trillions of dollars on new coal fired power stations but all are running at 50% capacity. During 2014 coal power generation fell by 2%. Major investment in Hydropower, Wind, Solar, Nuclear and Gas should see the use of Coal reduced by 40% running up to 2020. The China Government has banned the building of new coal fired power stations in 4 key manufacturing zones that account for 30% of coal generation. China for some years have been 'market testing' various forms of ETS platforms and have recently (26th Sept) announced a National ETS program starting in 2017. Some 5 regions are currently running ETS programs and the most successful economic and emissions reduction ETS program will be expanded nationwide.

So this old Zombie Myth that China is not doing anything so why should anyone else is just absolute bunkum. It is just a sad old line being repeated over and over again by the Climate Denier Lobby.

Also India comment is misleading. India has committed to reduce imports of coal and it is looking to increase it;s domestic supply of coal rather than importing it.

So as usual when you look at the facts the Climate Denier claims are fictitious and just intended to mislead. The battle to save the planet has just begun.

So please enlighten us deniers as to just how much of this evil pollutant CO2 is actually in the atmosphere as this figure is always missing whenever the Eco Loonies talk about it for some reason

Ask most of these lunatics how much and most will not have a clue. I have never fallen for this con and even I was way off the mark

Currently as at August 2015 400.57ppm CO₂ atmospheric concentration.

So a gas that makes up around 4000th of 1% is going to destroy the world and all that lives on it ? Even if it was a whole 1% it is a ridiculously low figure that is why they never mention this figure unless they really have to because it is laughable.

If the temperature rising is so deadly then please tell us just what the ideal / optimum temp is then ?

Was it the temp the world was 20 years ago ? 30 years ago ?

Why is the temp rising a few degrees so deadly ? I moved to Thailand from a relatively cold climate and have lived quite happily in a country where the temp is considerably higher yet I haven't dropped down dead as yet

We keep getting told that nearly all scientist agrre with global warming yet it simply isn't true.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

An interesting article here and not exactly taken from a rag or comic either

The other excuse we hear is that those deniers are just tin foil hat wearing nut jobs yet here we have a distinguished Nobel Laureate telling it like it really is

30 minutes well worth watching

The trouble is today is that this has nothing to do with science as most people understand it and is now a sort of Quasi religion where those that disagree with it are labelled Heretics and deniers to simply shut down debate

I also love this one from Penn and Teller series BS where they get Eco loonies to sign a petition to ban water and even the organiser of the Green / Eco festival signs it. It just highlights that people will sign most things they know nothing about if told a load of BS about it

Enjoy

Why is the temp rising a few degrees so deadly ?

Because if the permafrost thaws it will release large quantities of methane and everyone dies in the ensuing methane storms.

Look, we should really be taking this climate change thing seriously. It affects global stability. Here's what the CIA has to say about it.

“The western world’s leading climatologists have confirmed recent reports of a detrimental climatic change. The stability of most nations is based on a dependable source of food, but this stability will not be possible under a new climatic era. Climate is now a critical factor. The politics of food will become the central issue of every government.

A forecast by the University of Wisconsin projects that the earth’s climate is returning to that of the neo-boreal era (1600-1850), an era of drought, famine and political unrest in the western world.”

The "neo-boreal era" is also known as the Little Ice Age, and the report from the CIA (written in 1974) was on the subject of dangerous global cooling. There was no doubt. The science was settled and the debate was over.

"The climate of the neo-boreal time period has arrived."

As so often, the self-proclaimed experts were nothing like as smart as they thought they were. ("Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible." -- Lord Kelvin, President, Royal Society, 1895).

Hmmmmmm. seems that Gaia may have had enough of the parasite humans and decided to reduce their numbers significantly.

Well, if humans won't reduce the population voluntarily, Gaia/ nature/ whatever you want to call it will.

No respect for Murdoch but I don't think there is anything wrong with discussing the intersection of race and politics, in the U.S. or anywhere.

I think it's obvious that African Americans are worse off under Obama. That's not all his fault. His election provoked a backlash from right wing racists, so it's complicated. So he certainly isn't the president of the African Americans. He is the USA president in general.

Looking towards the future, we can now tell a black American kid, yes you too can be president someday, without lying to him, and for that kid a black president may be all he's ever known. I don't think we can honestly tell a Muslim kid that though ... oh well!

American blacks certainly believed he was going to rule as a black man when he got elected, not as a president for all.

Even the Kenyans were all excited at the prospect of him favouring them because of his skin colour.

BTW the cities with bad conditions for blacks eg Baltimore are run by Democratic black councils with black police chiefs , black DAs etc.

Chicago's mayor is white, but the city is run by Democrats, and young black men slaughter each other with impunity there.