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  1. Would that be the same PTT that in recently performed tests claimed that E-10 is fine to use in spite of the manufacturers statements to the contrary?

    I wrote Bangkok Post about PTT's compatibility claims as follows. Anyone with any scientific knowledge on the subject is a bit sceptical regarding their biased comptibility claims.

    Bangkok Post "Postbag":

    Why does the PTT and the Energy Ministry continue to disseminate misinformation in an attempt to defend the ill thought through decision to withdraw petrol 95 and replace it with E-10 gasohol?

    Bangkok Post reports Oct 6, 06 on a long-term test performed by the Dept. of Alternative Energy & Efficiency and PTT on 3 older Japanese vehicles claimed to represent 60% of the total number of 10+-year-old cars on Thai roads. Contrary to the test report, 2 of the 3 cars tested are deemed E-10 incompatible by the manufacturers.

    The Toyota tested was a Corolla 1.3 litre 2E engine, (produced from 1985-90). Toyota's compatibility statement is very clear in that pre July 94 Corollas are not compatible, and "will not operate satisfactorily due to material incompatibility issues".

    The Honda is only described as a more than 10-year-old 1.5 litre Civic with a CVC© engine. The only Civic listed by Honda as E-10 compatible is a 2004 or newer – clearly excluding the test vehicle. Honda then goes on to say that they do not recommend E-10 for some other vehicle models because there may be driveability issues.

    The Mitsu tested is described only as a more than 10-year-old 4G-15 engine.

    Mitsu's compatibility statement reads "all petrol engines manufactured since 1986 will operate satisfactorily ....... vehicles with carburetors before 1991 may experience hot fuel handling concerns and may experience a lower level of durability in some fuel system components".

    Also tested were some unnamed 10 year + European cars, that the Ministry claim showed no engine problems. Euro manufacturer statements show however, that some or all models of Alfa, Audi, Fiat, Lotus, MG, Rover, Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Citroen, Peugeot, Renault, and Volkswagen are either gasohol incompatible or not recommended.

    The Ministry is conspicuously silent regarding compatibility of the 23 million small motorcycles on Thai roads. Note that no major Japanese manufacturer, including Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, or Kawasaki recommends the use of gasohol.

    Thai vehicle manufacturers seem loath to publish a statement on gasohol. The public must educate themselves about compatibility, as the information coming out from the Energy Ministry and PTT is circumspect at best. See for yourself at:

    http://www.autoindustries.com.au/ethanol.p...8/00000005.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/s1466787.htm

    The new government must review the decision, to stop selling petrol 95 Jan 1. 07, and rethink the Ministry’s stated long term goal to phase out petrol entirely by 2012. By all means introduce gasohol, but keep petrol available for those that have no other choice.

    Robert Straghan

    Chiangmai

    I for one will not be trusting a station owner with 1/2 day training in what my car/bike can use, and even less trusting in the semi-literate gas jockey.

    Read the links to the manufacturers compatibility statements and judge for yourself.

    Lets not even get started on "is it cheaper"

    Robert

    There is supposed to be a definitive list somewhere... but I cannot find it.

    Back in November last year, the PTT Phuket Oil Depot Manager, Vichitpong Cheanthongsub said: “We have given the manager or owner of every gas station in Phuket a half-day of training about gasohol and which engines it is suitable for. It is the duty of the gas station manager to train staff how to serve customers.

    In addition, each PTT station has been given brochures – though in Thai only – explaining to customers which engines are suitable for gasohol use.”

    Has anyone seen an English version of this document, preferrably endorsed by the vehicle manufacturers?

  2. Chev told me that a locking diff in 4WD is not available, but then again it had just been introduced and I am not sure if he really know.

    From looking inside the Chev 2WD locking diff it should be possible to build a hybrid if you are up to it. Will only work at very slow speeds and the advantage of a LSD at higher speeds is lost.

    There are aftermarket locking diffs for both axles on the market if you chose to go that way. Beware that it will steer like the Queen Mary, but unstoppable.

    robert

    My 2002 4X4 Tiger has a limited slip differential so that is available. As far as the true differential lock the only one I am sure that has it available is Chevrolet.
  3. Presumably the Thai Cefiro is a J spec engine and identical to that available in Australia. Take a look at the link I provided for manufacturer compability statements

    You need to ask they why Nissan Australia specifically recommends against the use of E-10 in the same vehicle.

    I suspect that Siam Nissan is either kowtoing to the government or have no idea on the driveability issues involved. I wonder what their position would be if your car was under warranty, or if you could hold them liable if you have problems in the future?

    In any case why bother using gasohol given that is not cheaper and if anything more expensive than petrol 95. There is more to the equation than the 1.5 b/litre lower pump price.

    E-10 has less energy than the same volume of petrol 95, and it therefore takes more fuel to travel the same distance - how much more depends on the car.

    Under steady state controlled conditions you can expect 1-5% less distance from gasohol depending on the vehicles state of tune and fuel system. Real world driving however is a much different story and you can expect to use from 5-20% more fuel

    Oil is at currently the lowest price this year, and the price differential between gasohol and petrol 95 is pegged at a subsidsed 1.5 b/Litre (5.69% in Chiangmai) As the price of oil rises, and the differential peg stays the same the economic balance shifts in favour of petrol.

    As it stands today, gasohol is at best equal, and most likely more expensive per km than petrol.

    Why bother with gasohol unless the price spread is 20% or more?

    So who is benefiting from this mandated shift to gasohol?

    A more sceptical individual would think that perhaps it is the ethanol producers who are guaranteed a new market at a subsidsed price.

    You can bet the farmers will not make any more money, and the consumer is clearly not saving money?

    The country is not saving money given that ethaol is subsized the same 2.5 b/Litre that we could not afford for petrol subsidy. Not one barrel of imported oil is saved as ethanol is a substitute for MTBE. Granted MTBE is imported but the government keeps beating the oil saving drum.

    Is the environment benefiting - you could argue that both ways

    I wonder who owns the ethanol companies and their connections to the government?

    The new Energy Minister stated that postponing the introduction of gasohol would do more harm than good.

    harm to whom? - surely not the ethanol companies

    Or maybe there is a hidden agenda and removing petrol from the market allows for politically unpopular fuel increases without the benchmark of global oil prices?

    Once again the ethanol companies benefit.

    Sounds just like the old government to me.

    Robert

    I e-mailed Nissan Thailand yesterday about running my Cefiro on Gasohol and got following answer:

    " Dear Sir,

    Thank you very much for your interest in Nissan. We would

    like to inform you that Nissan Cefiro can be safely filled with

    gasohol 95.

    Best regards,

    Customer relations

    Siam Nissan Automobile "

    So I guess it is safe to run it on gasohol 95 then? :o

  4. Read the links I provided to see if your car is in fact E-10 compatable.

    You will find that Honda states that the only Civic models that will operate satisfactorily on E-10 are from 2004 and newer.

    Your BF should review his use of E-10

    In any case at 1.5B per litre less than petrol 95, and the fact that you will use more due to the lower energy level, it is not cheaper so why bother

    Here is the info you are looking for:

    http://www.autoindustries.com.au/ethanol.p...8/00000005.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/s1466787.htm

    Robert

    My bf has been using Gasahol in his Honda Civic 2001 for a few weeks now with no noticeable differences. I would not put it into a car more than 10 years old, reason, leaky hoses etc. I could not find any car list on the net. Checkout this link.

    Gasahol info Here

  5. Here are two links to manufacturers compability statements.

    http://www.autoindustries.com.au/ethanol.p...8/00000005.html

    http://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/s1466787.htm

    Aside from "can I use it" the other question is "is it cheaper"

    Gasohol has less energy per unit than petrol, and you will use more to cover the same distance - how much depends on the car but will range for 1-5%. Current price spread between E-10 and petrol 95 is 1.5 B/litre so in most cases the answer is gasohol costs the same or even a big more.

    In you case the answer is that Nissan does not recommend E-10 due to material compability issues and/or dirveability issues.

    Take heart and the new Misister is to review this idiotic gasohol policy per the Bangkok Post today.

    Robert

  6. Quite simply - they are cheap crap.

    Spend the extra and buy a Honda if you want a little bike. Even a used Honda is a better buy, than a new Platinum.

    Home Pro were giving them away a while ago with 100 points, which took about 200,000 of purchases - easy when building a house. I didn't even take one at this rate for the maid. Squandered the points on a sensible beer fridge and will buy a Honda.

    Robert

  7. I am building a new house in Green Valley golf Course, and one of my influential neighbours is our illustrious ex PM.

    Soldiers at the gate today with M-16's taking ID cards and photps of all who enter. I did not bother to drive down past his house and minded my own business. In any case he is not at home so why all the bluster?

    And to think I used to joke to my friends about the tanks getting their directions straight as they drove down my street during a coup!!

  8. Gary

    One could make a weak case for disc on the front and drum on the rear on a dinky bike, but drums all round are a cost cutting wennie accountants idea with no basis in either engineering or physics. Go for at least a front disc.

    Note that performance bikes have 2 discs on the front, (or in the case of Buell one great big honking one) as the majority of braking is done by the front wheel. I rarely use the back brake, and then only in emergency stops, or to set up the chassis when cornering. As you say a little Honda is not a performance bike, but the same physics apply, and even more so when carrying a family of 5.

    With good brakes the tires then become the limiting factor. Never skimp on brakes, tires, and oil.

    Robert

    I don't know how many people are into racing but I do know that drum brakes are more than adequate for any NORMAL bike riding. Drum brakes will lock up the front or rear wheel and cause you to bust your ass. In all my years of riding I NEVER had a problem with brake fade. The disk brake options are a marketing tool that costs more money and offers NO benefits to the average rider.

  9. What are the carb sickness symptoms?

    Swelling gasgets and leaking, bunged up, etc.

    How long did it run after filling, and what was the concentration of gas/"fuel"

    Can you not tell if it was diesel or E-10? Sniff it and feel for oilyness in diesel oil

    I suspect diesel as E-10 would have no short term effect other than losing a bit of power and running lean.

    Your compression is not high enough to ignite diesel, and there will be no harm at all to the engine internals. May play havoc with the carb internal circuits and bung them up.

    Gasohol in the short term will have little effect, however long term will be a problem with your rubber lines and internal carb gasgets.

    In any case it should not be such a big deal. Please let me know and go from there

    I always fill up my own bike, even if just to prevent spills on the paint.

    Robert

  10. [

    LOL

    They had it in the Fatherland in 1984, but did not arrive in Canada until 85. Surprising when HD had just introduced the Evo engine as their great leap forward from the Shovelhead that I had at the time.

    In 1895??

    Man, BMW was way ahead of its time!

    :o

    And that's 1895 on the Buddhist calendar!!

  11. Do you know the procedure when you rebody the Cortina, and recycle the registration book?

    I have been told that an inspection is required by a Professional Engineer, then the body change is noted in the book, and excise tax is charged on the value added component. I too am embarking on a similar project and it includes an engine change, as well as substantial frame "repairs"

    My concern is getting the registration book changed, and if I should do the body swap first then the engine change at a later date.

    Any experience of first hand knowledge out there?

  12. FI is the way to go, and cars have not had carbs for years several reasons - primarily fuel economny and emissions. My BMW K-100 bike had FI in 1895

    Reliability of the FI syspem is usually a non issue, however if the brain or fuel pump dies you are knackered - but thankfully this rarely happens.

    FI is install and forget, so you local Thai Mechanic while knowing SFA about it does not have to touch it. Having said that he will attempt to dick with it anyway. I have been known to dick with perfectly fine FI systems in attempts to make the bike/car go faster, but this is not something to enter lightly, and without a dyno to fine tune your filddling.

    I would go FI, and the incremental cost is worth it for ease of starting, compensating for barometric changes, air temperature/density changes, perfect fuel/air mixture, and idiot proof operation.

    I would ask about E-20 compatability with both systems, but primarily about the carb version. Take the dealers comments with a grain of rice, and see if you can get a definitave statement from Honda.

    robert

  13. What are you building - Super 7 clone or something else?

    Cortina MK-III has the same bits you are likely interested in right through the MK-V as well as the German Capri (non McPherson sttut models) and the Hyundai Stellar.

    robert

    I did see a cortina, a brown one, on the road to the airport going from Phuket town, close to the big tyre center Manit center max i phuket town, dont know if it was fore sale.
  14. Also in Chiangmai 2 years ago:

    I had my wife sit in the room using a 1 finger for green, 2 for red etc and passed with flying colours. I could not pass the dot test if my life depended on it.

    The pereferal test was a lot more difficult as she could not see the light very well but after a bit of himming and haawing I passed. She held my hand and one squeeze for green, 2 for red etc.

    i took the test in chiang mai about two weeks ago, and there are in fact two tests for color....

    the first is the 'dots' mentioned earlier, but there is also a peripheral vision test in which the applicant must state if the colors on the periphery are red, yellow or green.

  15. Placing a service charge on the bill gets me annoyed to the point that I will not go back there again.

    I have no problem in leaving a tip for good service, and much to my wife's annoyance do so all the time. I do however have a big problem in enforced tipping no matter what the amount.

    The funny thing is when we drink/eat in places that have the plus plus added i.e. Vat @ 7% and Service @ 10% you

    are going to get odd numbers of Baht back, and

    human nature what it is, a tip is also left in the black folder :o

    I never tip if VAT and service charge is on the bill. The tip is already included in the service charge.

  16. As you say, it is likely the o-ring that is ethanol incompatable.

    Note my earlier post that some Buna seals swell 6000% in E-10

    that is not a typo

    If you have a fiberglass tank, or fiberglass repaired hole, E-10 will soften some reisns and cause a leak. Normally not an issue in cars or bikes, but some boats use glass tanks.

  17. I note that the E-10 compatibility statements are sponsored by the Nebraska Corn Foundation, and are generally warm and fuzzy statements without any vehicle specifics or age limitations. One must assume that these selective comments are related to new production only.

    Similar non biased statements in Australia are much more specific, and one can see that E-10 compability is generally limited to recent closed loop FI vehicles. Older vehicles, most carb vehicles, and even new vehicles like Ferrari specifically say not to use gasohol

    Note that these manufacturer statements are very specific on E-10. What to do when the government drops E10 in favour of E-20 in 2009 as currently planned?

    While the new (all are FI now) Harleys are E-10 compatable, that is not the case with all HD's. Early open loop FI systems and all carb systems cannot compensate for the lower BTU's in E-10, and gaskets are not E-10 compatable. I currently have swollen and leaking petcock seals in a 00 Dyna, which I believe is a result of ethanol on the Buna-N seal - new Muniki 45 seems unaffected. Now all this assumes that your HD is stock, and that is usually not the case. One can rejet/reprogram to run richer, but this does not address the gasket issue. Granted it is no big deal to change all the gaskets and hoses to E-10 compatable materials, but how many owners or dinky shop mechanics are educated enough to do so?

    I suspect your average Dream owner will ride it until it leaks or dies and hopefully not too many owners will burn up.

    While math is difficult, this is a simple question. Assume 95 at 30 B liter, E-10 at 1.5 B cheaper, and you need to rejet 5% richer. Presto - gasohol is the same cost to the consumer as petrol 95.

    granted some high efficiency cylinder head designs need only 1% more, but the cost savings is minimal at best.

    The clean air argument is a pitiful joke in a country where diesels spew black soot at will without punitity.

    If ethanol is no cheaper to the consumer, and ethanol producers are subsidsed by the government by 2.5 B liter, who is the winner?

    A more sceptical individual would wonder who owns the ethanol companies, why the government is set on withdrawing petrol when not all Thai vehicles are E-10 compatable.

    If it damaged the carb and did it that quick it would have probably been from the plastic float melting is my guess, some bikes may have floats that arent compatable with e10 or may have been rebuilt with non OE floats.

    Switching to a lower grade ie 95 to 91 you need to be aware of detonation (pinging) and the damage it can do to pistons, so yes use a fuel octane additive but be sure what it does as well as it may have the same effect on floats etc.

    I used E10 (105 Octance) in Australia in an older BMW before comming here and it was smoother and gave increased distance over a tank, Liberty Fuels even found in the new Commodores with country driving up to a 15% increase in mileage.

    I am not sure about how it affects engine oils but some oils may have issues with e10 as well, if they do then scoring of the bores may occur due to washing from the e10, so it would be best to check if the engine oil you are using is compatable for e10, also those using LPG or NGV should check this as well.

    I would also think a lot of the damage here occurs for the same reason it does in Australia, watering down of fuels or contamination, if you put 1000l of water in a 30,000l tank it doesnt need much metholated spirit to get the two to combine, but they do seperate and thats causes problems with fuel systems, tanks rusting etc.

  18. Virtually all carberated cars and bikes, some not so old injected cars, and several new fuel injected cars cannot run on E-10.

    As of Jan 1, 07 petrol 95 will not longer be available. Those of us that cannot run on petrol 91 will have no choice but to use E-10 (10% ethanol) fuel. As of 2009 we will be forced to use E-20, and no word on the fate of petrol 91.

    Note that PTT is now introducing 91 gasohol, and I hope this is not a precursor to withdrawing good old 91 as well.

    The problem is that not all vehicles are capable, or even safe to run on gasohol. This an endemic, knee jerk, ill thought through reaction, with little or no thought about backward compatibility. The Fuel Research Dept. of the Petroleum Authority of Thailand researched the use of gasohol in fuel injected (FI) engines only, did not test every engine operating in the market, and did not test carbureted engines. A half assed test to say the least.

    Industry research indicates that E-10 fuel is in fact incompatible not only with some new FI systems, but also with older FI systems, and carbureted vehicles. The incompatibility issues with E-20 are even greater. This incompatibility creates not only operating problems but raises serious safety issues.

    The vehicle manufacturers, not fuel manufacturers, government bureaucrats and politicians, or industry bodies, are the ones that need to issue compatibility statements. Thai vehicles have a very long lifespan and not everyone can afford to buy a new fuel injected vehicle. What the Consumer needs is a definitive E-10 and E-20 compatibility statement for every car and motorbike in operation on Thai roads. Such information is readily available in other markets, and one can only wonder why it is not available in Thailand.

    Australian manufacturers information shows that gasohol incompatible vehicles run the gamut from a new 25 million B Ferrari to the ubiquitous 30,000 B motorbike. Why is there no consumer outcry? If we the Consumer continue to do nothing, what are we to do when faced with replacing a perfectly serviceable vehicle for lack of suitable fuel.Worse yet if it leaks fuel and becomes unsafe.

    By all means introduce gasohol, but keep petrol 95 available for those who have no choice. At the same time follow Ford's lead and introduce E-20 or preferably flex fuel vehicles so that we are in a position to use E-20 in 2009 and not be in the same incompatibility boat.

    An entire other subject is the economics of all the push to gasohol. Who owns the ethanol producers anyway, and you can bet it will not be the sugar cane farmer getting rich on this. Currently gasohol is about 1.5 bhat cheaper than petrol, ethanol producers are subsidsed by the government 2.5 bhat per liter, and E-10 is between 1- 5% less efficent than petrol depending on the vehicle. There is a valid reason that you get less range per liter and the bike seems to have less power - less BTU per unit.

    Lets see - 1.5 B cheaper and 5% less range is the same. Assuming that you can even run on it, is this cheaper to the consumer.

    Ethanol is an oxygenator in petrol, and is replacing MBTE. Not a single drop of oil is being saved by the switch to E-10 and it is imported MBTE that is being saved.

    I see the government is now saying that withdrawl of petrol 95 on Jan 1, 07 may not happen on schedule due to lack of ethanol production capability. I trust this is a face saving move to cover their lack of forward thinking on gasohol and alternative fuels in general, and petrol will continue to be available to those who cannot use gasohol.

    Maybe someone that just bought a 25 million B Ferrari that cannot run on gasohol has a bit more influence than I and can bring the government to think ahead for a change.

    BTW, the problems with your carb are related to the fact that some buna rubber gaskets swell 6000% in gasohol, and that is why it is leaking. You can bet the average uninformed motorist buys gasohol because it is cheaper, and the pump jockey says it is OK. I wonder how many bikes need to burst into fire before someone clues on?

    Robert

  19. Vintage or classic cars are just another car and the same rules apply. Unless you are bringing one when immigrating, do not even try. Even then the duty and tax can be steep

    see

    http://www.customs.go.th/Customs-Eng/Perso...PersonalPer#tax

    A CKD or SKD kit can be imported and duty must be paid. Generally parts are classified as such, however if SKD with the engine and gearbox removed from the chassis, Customs will take the position that if it looks like a car, it is a car at 80% and good luck arguing otherwise.

    In fact I have a ruling from Customs permitting import of a CKD kit

    The problem lies in registration.

    This involves inspection and approval from a Professional Engineer regarding safety issues, and emissions testing that is only done in Bangkok by the Thai Standards institute.

    No problem with the Engineer's approval, and this can be done.

    The problem is the emissions testing.

    The procedure is to write a letter asking for an inspection and why. You wait for their acceptance letter. Quite some time later (my bike was almost a year) they give you a date and you pay 30,000 B. They do the test and I am told issue only a pass or fail grade, and do not release the data that you just paid 30K for. You can go through this process adinfinitum

    There are published standards for emissions and I have paid for a copy of the regulations. I am advised by an Engineer who does the safety aspect of the registration and been through this before, not to waste my time and money on this as no matter how clean it is, I will never pass.

    Imagine - you can install a brand new Euro III engine c/w cat and it will mysteriously fail? Somehow the grey market importers get their cars approved for registration, and my bike importer had no problem.

    A more sceptical person would wonder why. a private individual would have problems.

    I trust my understanding of the testing process is not true and would love to be proven wrong. I can easily build a Westie, Caterham, Cobra etc that can meet both safety and emissions, but under a corrupt system is is just impossible to get emissions approval.

    Now if someone in the grey market import business could tell us how, or take my money and get it done I would give it a go.

    Speak up.

    This is not meant as a continuing "drag" on bringing "my car" to Thailand which I agree has been done to death.

    Question: - Are there any special provisions for importing "kit cars" or "vintage/classic" cars into Thailand either part assembled or KND condition?

  20. In my past life I owned a company that specalised in landslide monitoring, and talked to DMR about this subject many times. I have been retired now for almost 3 years, but to my knowledge nothing is being done.

    It is possible to predict when a slope is failing or about to fail. DMR was implementing a several year process of installing a network of groundwater monitoring wells and not much else. This does not really do much for slope stability monitoring.

    They need to do more than issue such verbal warnings, and "leeping a close eye" on the situation.

  21. I am [email protected]

    I used PPSN for the bidding process and construction supervision. They are also able to do the seismic, and structural engineering review. They also handled the entire bidding process, contractor interviews, price analysis, and final price negogations - this alone saved me their fee.

    Senior engineer is Khun Somchai

    053 217 449

    Geotechnical investigation and report was done by Spys Company Ltd.

    Engineer Khun Pipitsombat

    053 215 763

    My architect sub-contracted out the foundation pile design and it left a great deal to be required. I took a look at it, and PPSN reviewed. PPSN can arrange for a geotechnical engineer

    General architect work was OK and reasonable. The first guy we went do simply sub-contracted the work out to this guy:

    Khun Tui

    01 287 2644

    I highly recommend my Main Contractor. He is a civil engineer, had the best price, honest to a fault, no hassle over little extras, quality, his own long term trained workers, and does little things not on the BQ to have a quality product.

    Not your typical local contractor at all, and in retrospect I did not really need to have PPSN supervise the work, given my background. If you are not very familiar with construction you still should use someone on your side to supervise the work.

    Khun Montri

    01 881 9851

    The entire design and bidding process took almost a year, so plan accordingly.

  22. A local supplier and installer of quality glass solar water heaters, with the best name I have ever seen is:

    Pick-Ass International Ltd. in Lampun. Contact is Uwe Conrad at 01 022 9872

    Also deals in double glazed PVC windows.

    I am taking a slightly different approach, combining a solar panel and conventional electric hot water tank. I brought 2 x 170 liter electric hot water tanks when I immigrated from Canada, but one could buy a similar smaller unit here. The plan is to install the solar panel(s) on the roof, and feed into this tank(s), controlled by a thermocouple, PLC, and pump.

    Primary source would be solar, however in instances where everyone showers at night, wife fills the big Jacussi, etc, then hot water is available in the morning. No unsightly and heavy tank on the roof, and a redundant source. Probably more expensive, but neverending hot water at a price.

  23. It is not clear that new buses will be purchased, or the old claptraps simply repowered

    I wonder where the old buses will go - you can bet it will not be into the crusher. If they are not destroyed you can bet that they will resurface or morph into something else, somewhere else.

    Perhaps we will get them in Chiangmai for the long touted modern transit system.

    While he is at it, why not dictate that particulate filters be fitted to ALL diesel engines, and then ban 2-strokes.

    I remain hopefully sceptical.

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