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Yes Ray, I know that you disagree. And I know that you know that I disagree with you. Got a virtual golf torny. Later later....

I think these were false hopes more than lies. But yes lots of porkies from both sides during the campaign.

At the risk of creating a noisy echo (from the past), this referendum was not primarily about trade and economics. I think most Brexiteers would welcome a sensible arrangement between European nations.

And the Brexiteers wanted OUT - simple isn't it? Oh, wait a minute! Agree - the EU were horribly beastly.

We were duped in 1972 matey.

The PM was outwardly a Brexit supporter (voted out) but since he got the PM job I would say that's as far as it went, as he has sent mixed signals, then backtracked about rumours about a Swiss-style relationship a week or so ago. I'm sure that he his under pressure from big business to go for the SM arrangement similar to the Swiss one. The problems associated with leaving the EU are not just down to poor UK governments. The result of the referendum itself suggests that a lot of voters might disagree with you on whether it was necessary or not. IMOO a referendum was long overdue and referendums should be held on all major matters of national concern - a bit like the Swiss - and this is because the governments that we elect evidently need help with the more serious decisions!

I got a version of BREXIT and it’s nothing like I hoped for. The reasons for that are already explained.

Aircraft fuel loads are calculated by certified pilots, able to perform this task, even if they fly 'occasionally'. Unfortunately, the UK is again now being piloted by a crew of certified remainers. If they keep messing about then the Tories can expect to go from +80 to -80 at the next election. Labour will be no better because.... they never are! Yes, Brexiteers are bothered but that's because the whole Brexit process was mismanaged, from the outset and with constant interference by remainers. This silly ‘sunlit upland’ term must have actually originated from remainers - I never saw it in any leave campaign material. The imminent recession, mentioned a lot on here, will be global - it certainly won't be just the UK or the fault of Brexit.

Doesn't matter, they're all lying.

Nasty echo in here.

Not a gun but enormous pressure, after 3 years of May's messing about, only ending up with that so-called "Chequers Agreement" failure. In Boris's haste to pick up the gauntlet and get Brexit done, he only succeeded in minor changes to that agreement - that was all done to quickly in the end but it is one reason why Brexit is such a mess, even though, technically, we are out. Yes, responsibility lies with UK governments - not only the recent ones but also the Heath regime of 1972 and after that - if there had been referendums held then, and before each major treaty signing, then we would either have never joined in the first place or been out long ago. There is no requirement for a withdrawal agreement but after so long as a member, then a sensible one is obviously best, especially w.r.t. all EU and UK citizens rights and status. Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty is worded so simply and briefly, that anyone reading it might assume that it would be easy to leave the EU but these words are rather meaningless to any member trying to extract itself from the rats maze that the EU has become after successive treaties, over decades. The EU reaction after the referendum revealed its fear that the UK leaving might mean the disintegration of the EU itself. by prompting others to follow suit. The post referendum vengeful behaviour of the EU commissioners has now been seen and noted around the continent and the world - they would have been far better off being more reasonable and, using their own words, acted in "good faith".

Socialists at Fox News? 555

No idea what you're on about.

Most fairly assumed that leaving meant leaving the EU and all of its control, The so-called withdrawal agreement did not allow that, as everyone can see now.

Just taking a breather?

Of course not.

I was not the one doing the positing.

Not a problem. Nigel Farage took all mine.

You can think that if you want.

Maybe because the campaigning hasn't even started yet. It is a bit early after all plus there's Thanksgiving and Christmas coming up. Maybe he'll kick off on J6?

Scott Reed is a failed GOP campaign manager, who also failed to win a run for state rep in 2016 and who then left the US Chamber of Commerce under a cloud in 2020. Yahoo.

Who are you talking about?

Frank yes.

Spot on - the tipping point as they say.

Well as you put it that way, then I expect he has behaved honorably.