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4 hours ago, david555 said:

So ...is he retarded ?….as he needed that  "dead time " to understand what he agreed on ….., now I start understanding his failures & many U-Turns  ????

He just wasn't very well for a while.

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 

Two points.

 

1) Whilst a 50 seat majority is a landslide; remember that only 43.8% of voters actually voted for the Tories. Add on the other parties who supported Johnson and his Withdrawal Agreement and you still wont get above 50%.

 

Remember, too, that while Labour's share went down by 7.8%, the Tories only increased by 1.2%. 

 

2) The main thrust of the Conservatives campaign was getting Brexit done via Johnson's withdrawal agreement. Indeed, he only called the election because he could not get that agreement through Parliament any other way!

 

But it seems we were conned by Johnson yet again, because he now metaphorically wants to cut that agreement into squares, punch a hole in one corner and send it to Brussels with a note attached "Bogs for the use of!"

Boris had time to read it all properly while he was recovering - in the bog probably - which is where it should stay, until finally flushed. 

Might need to give it a prod or two though.

14 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

This one? 

 

????

 

I always got the impression that the EU Parliament was a bit bigger than that. 

2 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Gawd; you really do have a major problem remembering what you've posted; let alone others.

 

I don't have time to go through all the posts again for you now. so you have a lie down and then see if you can do it for yourself.

 

TTFN

Talk to Ray C. I hear you're on good terms.

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Make your mind up.

 

Project Fear was a Vote.Leave campaign slogan.  

Oh dear. Wrong again.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/20/brexit-eu-referendum-economy-project-fear

Just now, 7by7 said:

 

The issue is access to the NHS. That is available to any and all legal UK resident; regardless of how many NICs they've paid or whether or not they are working.

 

If you have a problem with that, take it up with your MP and see if they can get the government to change the law.

Wrong. Read back. The issue was reciprocal health care for UK/EU citizens in each other's countries.

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

Not full influence; of course not. But enough influence on the undecided to give Leave the narrow victory.

Maybe more would have voted out if it were not for Project Fear. Who knows?

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Paid in full?

 

Do you seriously believe that access to the NHS should be dependent on how many NICs one has paid?

 

What about people who have never paid any NICs; like children?

No, I don't seriously believe that access to the NHS should be dependent on how many NICs one has paid. But that is not the issue here.

How many UK children are retired in the EU?  

3 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 You may find it boring; but were you to check Vote.Leave's campaign material you'll find all the lies I have mentioned in there; and quite a few more as well.

 

Except the £350 million lie; Boris reserved that for his bus!

 

You seem to believe that VoteLeave had full influence on the vote  - I know that it didn't.

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

They are as they are paying tax and NICs, or the family members of same, and so are contributing to the NHS the same as any British taxpayer and their non working family.

 

Even if not working or the family member of a worker, they still pay tax on nearly everything they buy.

 

NHS care is dependent upon residency; there is no minimum amount of tax or NICs you have to pay before qualifying for it.

 

 

 

I know but not the point. UK retirees will have paid in full. EU people in the UK have not and it will tale them a more time to catch up and much more than the UK oldies will probably be around for in the EU. Seems more than fair to me.

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Am I right to assume the 'B' stands for 'British?'

 

Am I right to assume it would only apply to British waters? (What about Northern Irish ones? I'd have gone for UKFP myself.)

 

So; in what way would your BFP differ from the CFP?

 

Assuming the UK government does take back all the licences to fish in UK waters currently owned by foreign fleets and issues them to British fleet owners, who don't have the number of boats required anyway, what would you do to stop those fleet owners from simply doing what they did last time and selling them on?

Brilliant - well done. Yes UK waters. Different because it would not concern the EU. We can build boats which will make profit for British fishermen, for a change.  

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Leave won on the basis of the many lies they told, primarily those about the single market and immigration. Then there's the £350 million lie as well!

 

If Remain had won on the basis of the far fewer lies they told, then I have no doubt that you and most other Brexiteers would still be calling for another vote.

 

Still, good to see that you are at last acknowledging that Leave lied to us.

 

Same old rubbish. Boring as well as false.

5 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Right so the EU nationals are anti British not anti Brexit.

You cant help yourself can you? You honestly believe only Brexiteers are patriots. This is the problem right there. You equate being anti Brexit as being anti British. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Patriots dont vote to damage their country.  

Go on find something I have posted which is anti British. Not something which is anti Brexit but actually anti British.

And find something from one of the EU nationals which is anti British as well.

 

Patriots don't want to risk the existence of their country.  

5 hours ago, david555 said:

They might be working , paying taxes ....that never came up in your mind ? 

Yes it did - read it again and absorb it.

47 minutes ago, RayC said:

Or looked at another way, UK retirees who are taking advantage of their (EU) hosts' public health systems without having contributed much to it.

Who is paying for the health services that the 3.6M EU citizens receive in the UK? Most of them haven't been there nearly as long as these UK retirees paid in tax and NI.

15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Indeed. Your failure to answer even simple questions has become so.

Evasion is a recognised tactic when posting but the problem is if you use it to often then you simply make yourself look furtive and without substance.

Evasion? No. I just ignore add-ons.

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

How sad; you complain about the CFP without having any idea with what you'd replace it.

 

Typical.

I would replace it with a BFP.

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Maybe he and Cliff Clavin will dream up some more news so secret they can't tell anyone about it during the night!

G'nite Dusty.

4 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Right OK. Good attempt at backing up a fellow Brexiteers false claims. We both know if this claim was true all you Brexiteers would be shouting it from the rooftops. 

Embarrassing. 

Goodnight Ned. 

Just now, 7by7 said:

 

Let me get this right; you're saying that you want the UK and EU to have a completely open border with no checks or controls on people and goods.

 

 

Tiresome.

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

So you'd be happy for the UK to have an open border with the EU?

 

An open border without controls or checks so anyone from anywhere can come and go as they please, importing whatever goods they please with no controls or checks?

 

Sounds very much like what we threw away in 2016!

 

The Irish border is an issue because of the GFA and no one wants to see the peace that has brought threatened. That is why there is a need to negotiate some agreement to keep that. 

 

Negotiations are always give and take. But the attitude in your post is typical of so many Brexiteers; you want the EU to do all the giving and the UK all the taking!

 

 

Yes. Very much like it has been and still is. The issue is due to the EU, not the GFA.

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 A incorrect statement which I  corrected.

 

 

 No, quoting you after I'd corrected your mistake in what you have now ensured was a vain attempt to save you further embarrassment. 

 

You should try and take your own advice more often.

 

Still such nit picking by you has allowed you to ignore the fact that the CFP has gone some way in achieving it's purpose because fish stocks are increasing.

 

You've also used it to try and dodge the question I asked you; with what would you replace the CFP?

I suppose all that gibberish is to try and demonstrate some kind of debating prowess? Big F for fail there.

 And I have not tried to "dodge the question" - I have intentionally ignored it.