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^ This could have something to do with it!

1 Man City U18 20 13 5 2 50 22 28 44

2 Everton U18 20 13 3 4 51 31 20 42

3 Liverpool U18 21 12 4 5 40 28 12 40

4 Blackburn U18 19 10 4 5 39 25 14 34

5 Sunderland U18 18 10 2 6 40 31 9 32

6 Wolves U18 21 8 4 9 42 38 4 28

7 Middlesbrough U18 19 8 3 8 36 33 3 27

8 West Brom U18 20 7 4 9 28 39 -11 25

9 Newcastle U18 20 6 2 12 27 56 -29 20

10 Derby U18 19 3 7 9 36 45 -9 16

11 Stoke U18 20 3 4 13 20 41 -21 13

12 Man Utd U18 19 3 2 14 23 43 -20 11

Why not post the u21's table too maybe doing that does not fit your agenda hey, we have a lot of u18's playing in the u21's due to lack of depth in the first team squad many u21's are up in the first team due to our many injuries.

By posting the u18's just shows the small picture not the big picture.

I'm afraid Wils doesn't know why academies are there

Alfred and Carmine - who is out for Sours this weekend as a matter of interest?

Yep we have 1 first teamer out against your 3 out, anyway be interesting to see the value of the team you put out against the value of our's even with all your injuries

So which "1 first teamer" is out, and which "non-first-teamers-but-players-in-the-squad" are out?

Value again. What are you, an accountant? Who cares.

Well Spurs probable team would have cost approx 89m, just Arguero, Otamendi, Sterling, Fernandinho and Toure cost you 168m so with that quality in your team your worried about 3 first team players being injured

Here's an interesting stat, if City were at full strength and were able to field 2 teams, the second team would have cost approx 150M pounds so the 7 injuries excuse sounds even more pathetic

Yes the facts do, seems like your having a bad day, first your eyes ain't working properly, now you've failed with your maths

You can try and flour it up as much as you like but the totals are as follow : Spurs major trophies won 17 -- Man City major trophies won 13, now explain to me how that is wrong !

Well based on quantity yours is clearly bigger than ours.

I'd still rather win the League Championship that the Cups, but that's just me

Im enjoying Spurs fans coming in here and lecturing us on success and OUR failings..maybe we'll have Newcastle fans on next.

Strange as it seems BB, our little old club has still won more major trophies over our history than your big club has over it's history and thats including trophies you've won since 2008, in fact have a look at the amount of trophies we have both won when we were on a level playing field (i.e.before you won the pools)

League:

Winners = Spurs x 2 (last time 1961!) / City x 4 (last time 2014!)

Runners up = Spurs ? / City x 5

FA Cup

Winners = Spurs x 8 (last time 1991!) / City x 5 (last time 2011!)

Runners up = Spurs ? / City x 5

League Cup

Winners = Spurs x 4 (last time 2008!) / City x 3 (last time 2014!)

Runners up = Spurs ? / City x 1

EUFA Cup

Winners = Spurs x 3 (last time 1984!) / City 1 (last time 1970!)

Runners up = Spurs ? / City x 0

Spurs last trophy = Milkybar Cup 2008

City last trophy = League 2014

Conclusion: Spurs better in the cups, City better in the League. Know which I prefer to be successful in...;-)

Not sure the facts back up your statement Alfie.

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Yes the facts do, seems like your having a bad day, first your eyes ain't working properly, now you've failed with your maths

You can try and flour it up as much as you like but the totals are as follow : Spurs major trophies won 17 -- Man City major trophies won 13, now explain to me how that is wrong !

Right, lets have this right, i thought the idea of you spending 418m pounds on your squad was to have quality cover for injuries and being able to rotate if you have a lot of games to play.

You now have 7 players injured reducing the squad to 17 outfield players and your whinging you can't get a decent team out of that 17 players.

You also imply that the youngsters within your squad are not good enough, when for a long while you've been telling about this great academy that is going to produce players, we won't need to buy,etc etc, and more recently about youngsters who have made their debuts this season who it now seems are not good enough

On a more general theme you fark up every year in the champions league and you have failed to consistently win trophies since the new mob took over.

Taking into consideration the amount of money the owners have pumped into the club it's all a bit of a mess really and makes you wonder where you would be if you didn't have the windfall.

Anyway, no doubt Pep will be given 300m to spend so it looks like exciting times ahead and you can look forward to seeing League title's and Champions league trophies

Don't know about anybody else but I have no interest in answering any of that except

"...and you have failed to consistently win trophies since the new mob took over. Taking into consideration the amount of money the owners have pumped into the club it's all a bit of a mess really and makes you wonder where you would be if you didn't have the windfall..."

Have a look what we've won and where we have finished in the Premier since Spurs last won a trophy and our owners took over, in 2008. Yeah, it's been a bit of a mess really.

Where would we be without the windfall of the Sheiks money? Well nobody can answer what might have been, but I'm pretty sure not where we've been since 2008. Bit of a mess really.

Oh, and one last point, it's been a bit of a mess really.

;-)

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Thats a very weak answer BB!! Just saying....

And trying to make an argument compared to us, baring in mind the mind boggling amounts of money you have spent. Sorry, it all sounds very limp to me....

For all the oil money spent, their return on the investment is piss poor.

I'm feeling no love on here today (or yesterday) from the Spurs fans. Don't know what we have done to get such a bashing. Maybe pre-fight neves but anyway.

Don't think BB's answer is weak at all Carms, in fact I'm surprised he answered at all. I started to reply to Alfies post myself but ended up thinking what's the point. For instance, anybody who thinks that any teams squad is made up of 24 players and then you simply deduct the injured players and that is what you have left to pick a team from, isn't worth responding to.

I know Spurs fans will be trying shrug off our injuries but let's be fair here. We have 7 key players currently injured and Kompany and Silva who have only just been given the all-clear. In fact, I don't even know if they are fit enough to even start. No matter how much money your club has, you have to admit that having that amount of players out must have an effect. How would Spurs be doing if Kane, Demi Alli and say Eriksen had been missing for long spells?

You can try and spin it as much as you want BJ but thats the way the neutral will see it, that is you lot moaning about injured players when you have spent 400 odd million on your squad, as for 24 players, yes your right the squad is basically a lot larger if you include younger players but strangely enough your club doesn't seem to rate any of them, which is a shock considering how great your academy is .

Im enjoying Spurs fans coming in here and lecturing us on success and OUR failings..maybe we'll have Newcastle fans on next.

Strange as it seems BB, our little old club has still won more major trophies over our history than your big club has over it's history and thats including trophies you've won since 2008, in fact have a look at the amount of trophies we have both won when we were on a level playing field (i.e.before you won the pools)

You forgot they built a new stand and still cannot fill the already adequate seating capacity

And the under 21's got beat by United this week

To be fair MrRed, i think they will always be in your shadow

Living in your neighbours shadow will be something you Spurs fans will know a lot about eh! Have you ever been the biggest club in Larndon?

Nope, just like you've never been the biggest in Manchester.

Right, lets have this right, i thought the idea of you spending 418m pounds on your squad was to have quality cover for injuries and being able to rotate if you have a lot of games to play.

You now have 7 players injured reducing the squad to 17 outfield players and your whinging you can't get a decent team out of that 17 players.

You also imply that the youngsters within your squad are not good enough, when for a long while you've been telling about this great academy that is going to produce players, we won't need to buy,etc etc, and more recently about youngsters who have made their debuts this season who it now seems are not good enough

On a more general theme you fark up every year in the champions league and you have failed to consistently win trophies since the new mob took over.

Taking into consideration the amount of money the owners have pumped into the club it's all a bit of a mess really and makes you wonder where you would be if you didn't have the windfall.

Anyway, no doubt Pep will be given 300m to spend so it looks like exciting times ahead and you can look forward to seeing League title's and Champions league trophies

Don't know about anybody else but I have no interest in answering any of that except

"...and you have failed to consistently win trophies since the new mob took over. Taking into consideration the amount of money the owners have pumped into the club it's all a bit of a mess really and makes you wonder where you would be if you didn't have the windfall..."

Have a look what we've won and where we have finished in the Premier since Spurs last won a trophy and our owners took over, in 2008. Yeah, it's been a bit of a mess really.

Where would we be without the windfall of the Sheiks money? Well nobody can answer what might have been, but I'm pretty sure not where we've been since 2008. Bit of a mess really.

Oh, and one last point, it's been a bit of a mess really.

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So why do you have interest in answering some and not the other part ?

Anyway I'm talking about Man City nothing to do with Spurs,after all we're just a small club with no money so we are not expected to win anything, you might as well have inserted Carlisle instead of Spurs

Footnote: sorry carms, only just seen your post above.

You forgot they built a new stand and still cannot fill the already adequate seating capacity

And the under 21's got beat by United this week

To be fair MrRed, i think they will always be in your shadow

Right, lets have this right, i thought the idea of you spending 418m pounds on your squad was to have quality cover for injuries and being able to rotate if you have a lot of games to play.

You now have 7 players injured reducing the squad to 17 outfield players and your whinging you can't get a decent team out of that 17 players.

You also imply that the youngsters within your squad are not good enough, when for a long while you've been telling about this great academy that is going to produce players, we won't need to buy,etc etc, and more recently about youngsters who have made their debuts this season who it now seems are not good enough

On a more general theme you fark up every year in the champions league and you have failed to consistently win trophies since the new mob took over.

Taking into consideration the amount of money the owners have pumped into the club it's all a bit of a mess really and makes you wonder where you would be if you didn't have the windfall.

Anyway, no doubt Pep will be given 300m to spend so it looks like exciting times ahead and you can look forward to seeing League title's and Champions league trophies

Just like who cares about you grizzling all week about your injuries

I don't know if you have lost track of where you are posting Alfie but this is the City thread where we can talk about City footballing issues. Our injuries are a big issue to City and on topic. Its a lot more relevant than your Spurs "net spend" posts in here.

Ah yes we see it now Alfredo.

In the end their arrogance wins out.

We are clearly irrelevant to them and they will win the league regardless.

The injury nonsense is a smokescreen anyway...we already know they are down to one injury same as us.

It does leave the excuses a bit thin for them though...my knives are being sharpened ready for young Jellybean!

Think we need to change the name of this thread to the "excuses thread" smokes, funny thing is we've already beaten them 4-1 this season and i don't think they had 7 injuries then so their excuses were that 2 goals shouldn't have been allowed blah blah blah blah

Think you've conveniently forgotten the referring errors which gifted Spurs 2 goals that day.

I know a good optician BB because your obviously having trouble with your eye's and i see you conveniently forgot the wrong ref decision on the City goal (shock horror)

Alfred and Carmine - who is out for Sours this weekend as a matter of interest?

Yep we have 1 first teamer out against your 3 out, anyway be interesting to see the value of the team you put out against the value of our's even with all your injuries

So which "1 first teamer" is out, and which "non-first-teamers-but-players-in-the-squad" are out?

Value again. What are you, an accountant? Who cares.

Just like who cares about you grizzling all week about your injuries

I don't know if you have lost track of where you are posting Alfie but this is the City thread where we can talk about City footballing issues. Our injuries are a big issue to City and on topic. Its a lot more relevant than your Spurs "net spend" posts in here.

Ah yes we see it now Alfredo.

In the end their arrogance wins out.

We are clearly irrelevant to them and they will win the league regardless.

The injury nonsense is a smokescreen anyway...we already know they are down to one injury same as us.

It does leave the excuses a bit thin for them though...my knives are being sharpened ready for young Jellybean!

Think we need to change the name of this thread to the "excuses thread" smokes, funny thing is we've already beaten them 4-1 this season and i don't think they had 7 injuries then so their excuses were that 2 goals shouldn't have been allowed blah blah blah blah

Alfred and Carmine - who is out for Sours this weekend as a matter of interest?

Yep we have 1 first teamer out against your 3 out, anyway be interesting to see the value of the team you put out against the value of our's even with all your injuries

So which "1 first teamer" is out, and which "non-first-teamers-but-players-in-the-squad" are out?

Value again. What are you, an accountant? Who cares.

Well Spurs probable team would have cost approx 89m, just Arguero, Otamendi, Sterling, Fernandinho and Toure cost you 168m so with that quality in your team your worried about 3 first team players being injured

Alfred and Carmine - who is out for Sours this weekend as a matter of interest?

Yep we have 1 first teamer out against your 3 out, anyway be interesting to see the value of the team you put out against the value of our's even with all your injuries

So which "1 first teamer" is out, and which "non-first-teamers-but-players-in-the-squad" are out?

Value again. What are you, an accountant? Who cares.

Just like who cares about you grizzling all week about your injuries

ALFIE - Thats enough for a team ain't it ? anyway, to be fair, the krux of it seems to be that your squad just ain't that got the right balance so perhaps you need to spend some more money

Seems you're confident of finishing above City.

That was just a simplified version of your babbling below Incidently you didn't answer the question

From memory the players out are kompany..mangala..navas..nasri..silva..KdB..Nasri..Bony. some line up that. Every one of those players we use regularly. Kompany (captain)..Silva (merlin)...KdB (merlin apprentice) are starters, Navas is a Pellegrini player, the other 3 would start from the bench. Anyway, so you spend your money on a squad, your limited to the number of players in a squad of shall we say 'a certain level' (you can chuck your english youngsters in)...7 of the squad are injured, we are left with 13 or 14 fit first team squad members (plus some of the EDS kids). That's the reality and whether we'd spent 10m quid or a billion quid, that's irrelevant if your squad loses 1/3rd to injury. Levels the playing for Spurs though ;-)

Help me out, I don't see your question. What's your question and i'll try my best to answer it.

Hopefully you might see it now !

Alfred and Carmine - who is out for Sours this weekend as a matter of interest?

Yep we have 1 first teamer out against your 3 out, anyway be interesting to see the value of the team you put out against the value of our's even with all your injuries

ALFIE - Thats enough for a team ain't it ? anyway, to be fair, the krux of it seems to be that your squad just ain't that got the right balance so perhaps you need to spend some more money

Seems you're confident of finishing above City.

That was just a simplified version of your babbling below Incidently you didn't answer the question

From memory the players out are kompany..mangala..navas..nasri..silva..KdB..Nasri..Bony. some line up that. Every one of those players we use regularly. Kompany (captain)..Silva (merlin)...KdB (merlin apprentice) are starters, Navas is a Pellegrini player, the other 3 would start from the bench. Anyway, so you spend your money on a squad, your limited to the number of players in a squad of shall we say 'a certain level' (you can chuck your english youngsters in)...7 of the squad are injured, we are left with 13 or 14 fit first team squad members (plus some of the EDS kids). That's the reality and whether we'd spent 10m quid or a billion quid, that's irrelevant if your squad loses 1/3rd to injury. Levels the playing for Spurs though ;-)

^Why we all live in Londarn apparently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/guides/z9j9j6f

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Manchester United are on track to become the first British club to earn more than £500m in one year despite their lack of success on the pitch.

Second-quarter revenues rose by 26.6% to a record £133.8m, with commercial revenues up 42.5% to £66.1m.

Broadcast revenue rose 31.3% to £37.3m and sponsorship revenue rose by £1.6m, but matchday income was down 1.6%.

The Red Devils currently lie fifth in the Premier League table and have been knocked out of the Champions League.

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"Our solid results off the pitch help contribute to what remains our number one priority - success on the pitch," said executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward.

United's chances of qualification for next season's Champions League hang in the balance after an inconsistent season under Louis van Gaal.

Majority-owned by the American Glazer family, they are six points adrift of fourth-placed Manchester City.

Leicester have a five-point lead at the top of the table - and defeated City last weekend with a team that cost £22.5m.

"Leicester is a fantastic reference point for everybody this year," said Woodward in a conference call with investors on Thursday.

"Some players are bought by other clubs with an eye to them developing into something special in a few years' time whereas there's perhaps more pressure on bigger clubs to bring in players who are going to hit the ground running, top players verging on world class almost immediately. There is a slightly different market in which people are buying."

The BBC understands Van Gaal's position is precarious after learning that Jose Mourinho has held talks with the club about taking over in the summer.

He obviously wasn't talking about Utd when he made that statement

I really like Souness's daughter!!

You'd be a fool not too

Silva has had ankle problems for several seasons now. A big loss again in a stop start season of injuries to key players.

With Silva, KdB and Nasri out, where's the invention?

We used to play around the pitch based on nice little triangles by Silva, Yaya and Nasri; we don't seem to ever have players available to do that these days.

I don't rate Sterling in the middle so I'd probably go for Yaya as the 10/advanced midfield player.

Spurs are one of those teams that like to compete and hound the opposition. Everytime this season we've played a team with high energy pressing game (Spurs..Leicester. .Liverpool) we've been caught out. Pellegrini needs to get the players on the pitch who can compete and press...a bit foreign to City I know but don't do and we'll suffer (the only game I can think of where we pressed was sevilla away...with great success). I also reckon until we get the forward players back that maybe we need to concede possession, defend as team and play more on the break.

I think I'd like to see this happen but not fully convinced of it. Changing horses in midstream might be too much to ask of this squad. Besides that I very much doubt Pellegrini would go that route anyway. Either way Spurs have shown an ability to adjust regardless of what defensive set up have been thrown at them. Echoing others I wouldn't be too unhappy if City nick a point, which is a sad thing to say this far into the season and playing at home. I'm concerned the wheels might be coming off what with all the injuries, the fixture load and all the Pep talk (those hyper capitalist scum selling City/Pep stuff last week should be drawn and quartered). I hope I'm wrong but Pellegrini has a humongous job at this point to revive City and be competitive down the stretch.

Well probaly only 3 of your strongest eleven will be missing and i'm sure the net 250m you've spent over the last 3 years should make up for them being missing !

Alfie, either you've posted the exact same post before (and I answered it) or I'm having a massive deja vue moment.

From memory the players out are kompany..mangala..navas..nasri..silva..KdB..Nasri..Bony. some line up that. Every one of those players we use regularly. Kompany (captain)..Silva (merlin)...KdB (merlin apprentice) are starters, Navas is a Pellegrini player, the other 3 would start from the bench. Anyway, so you spend your money on a squad, your limited to the number of players in a squad of shall we say 'a certain level' (you can chuck your english youngsters in)...7 of the squad are injured, we are left with 13 or 14 fit first team squad members (plus some of the EDS kids). That's the reality and whether we'd spent 10m quid or a billion quid, that's irrelevant if your squad loses 1/3rd to injury. Levels the playing for Spurs though ;-)

Thats enough for a team ain't it ? anyway, to be fair, the krux of it seems to be that your squad just ain't that got the right balance so perhaps you need to spend some more money

Silva has had ankle problems for several seasons now. A big loss again in a stop start season of injuries to key players.

With Silva, KdB and Nasri out, where's the invention?

We used to play around the pitch based on nice little triangles by Silva, Yaya and Nasri; we don't seem to ever have players available to do that these days.

I don't rate Sterling in the middle so I'd probably go for Yaya as the 10/advanced midfield player.

Spurs are one of those teams that like to compete and hound the opposition. Everytime this season we've played a team with high energy pressing game (Spurs..Leicester. .Liverpool) we've been caught out. Pellegrini needs to get the players on the pitch who can compete and press...a bit foreign to City I know but don't do and we'll suffer (the only game I can think of where we pressed was sevilla away...with great success). I also reckon until we get the forward players back that maybe we need to concede possession, defend as team and play more on the break.

I think I'd like to see this happen but not fully convinced of it. Changing horses in midstream might be too much to ask of this squad. Besides that I very much doubt Pellegrini would go that route anyway. Either way Spurs have shown an ability to adjust regardless of what defensive set up have been thrown at them. Echoing others I wouldn't be too unhappy if City nick a point, which is a sad thing to say this far into the season and playing at home. I'm concerned the wheels might be coming off what with all the injuries, the fixture load and all the Pep talk (those hyper capitalist scum selling City/Pep stuff last week should be drawn and quartered). I hope I'm wrong but Pellegrini has a humongous job at this point to revive City and be competitive down the stretch.

Well probaly only 3 of your strongest eleven will be missing and i'm sure the net 250m you've spent over the last 3 years should make up for them being missing !

didn't deserve to lose that, annoying. and yeah, if benteke wasn't a useless lump we would have won it. great to see sturridge back, he was immediately head and shoulders the best player on the pitch. like by miles. fingers crossed.

Not difficult to be the best player on the pitch at Liverpool these days is it(Coutinho gives much more btw)..Sturridge coming back seems like he has timed it more for England than Liverpool,get rid if you can cos his injuries will only continue....but of course not until after the Euros!

So why would Sturridge not want to play for the scousers ?

Little stat for everyone : Manchester City have not beaten any side currently in the top-6 this season! P7, D3, L4 !!

You are still confused. What makes you think the X-Trail is diesel?

There is a E20 Gasohol sticker under the X-Trail 2.5L filler cap to avoid any confusion.

Runs fine on 91 or 95.

I'll confess to only visiting two Nissan dealers both in Bangkok but both only offer a 2.5v (and its the only 2.5 in the X Trail brochure which features 4 models).

Haven't seen or been offered a 2.5L

There's only 1 model with a 2.5 engine and that is a 2.5v 4WD

Alfie, did you actually learn to read at school?

If so, read my post and then read Chicogs. I know the words are different but the meanings are the same.

Now be a good boy and nob off and bore someone else with your trolling.

If you come back on here, make sure your singular brain cell is with you:thumbsup:

Right, lets clear this up once and for all, you continually said "Still in control of our own destiny" at this moment in time are you still in control of your own destiny? just a yes or a no please and no waffle

No Alfie.

When jack said that it was before the Leicester match and at that point, if we had won all of our matches and maintained the goal difference, it wouldn't have mattered what Leicester had done for the rest of the season. Now they have beaten us, we have to rely on them dropping points. Don't see what you was finding so hard to understand

I know exactly what Jack said and thats why i said

Don't think Jack will be saying this "Still in control of our own destiny" too much now which unless things change again he won't be saying,

So what don't i understand ?

I tell you what Bj so not to bore people further why don't you send me an pm to explain.