UKresonant

Non-O married Visa, May 2023, 1000 single Entry 10000 Multi ( Accommodation booking for the first couple of nights on arrival) good luck with your application.

If they work it like that in practice, that is helpful. So perhaps ISA's Dividends could be zero tax rated? but maybe just have to wait till 2025 and see actual outcomes.

It's going to be complicated may have to shuffle and put all the taxed pensions in one account. then ring fence the UK tax free bit in a separate account. then only remit using the DTA related pre taxed pensions, as you suggest the will be an approximation of similar taxation.. But I assume for the present, unless urgent need, treat the 180 as max stay, unless funds already pre-positioned when not tax resident. The other potential mix up is the UK and Thai Tax years being 13 weeks misaligned, depending on which supporting docs may be asked for,

Remember that if there is the slightest thing out place, should you transfer your pension outside the UK, HMRC will come after you for a 55% (last time I looked) tax charge. That's why some people scammed out of ALL their pension, lose everything then owe HMRC 55% of the pension they no longer have. If you are still frequently in the UK you will always be domicile there probably, so doubt it would be helpful. Have you nominated her on the expression of wish form of the relevant pension companies? Some occupational and SIPP / DC you can pre-advise the identity (in fact one of them I had to either provide a Birth cert, but they accepted and witnessed the wife's original Thai passport, passport, copy was stamped, signed by administrator, and it and put in their files). Many occupational pensions and SIPP maybe written in Trust out with your IHT issue, as an expression of wish to the trustees, which 99% is what they do. But if you had taken up with someone for a couple of weeks, changed the nomination to them, leaving a wife and kids in financial distress, the trustees can redirect to the wife! Worth considering is the pension situation, as you may spend money and keep more pension tucked up in it's blanket. Anyway good night, good luck in getting your head around it (I must review this subject again soon)

I was out in Thailand July / August and there were a couple of food places that only accepted Scan, no cash could not use even a Thai debit card. someone else did have scan on their phone, but it was not obvious when going into these places, so kinda irritating. ????

Under the UK treaty only pensions from Government service are covered in the DTA. Also when I was talking to the UK tax authority (3/2018), she said that they may ask you to pay the double tax and then they would be obliged to refund it. What I'm not clear on (amongst many other things ) is would they use that DTA applicable income, to push other income further up the progressive tax bands, so you would be paying more on that? What is their 'custom and practice' ? Then the.UK tax year does not align with the Thai tax year....

I think generally the change could affect what you thought are savings. As would they not assume it all comes from income in the past? Savings were up until 31st Dec 23, that money that existed in a ring fenced bank account or similar. and brought in the following Thai Tax / calendar year. Pending clarification, how will they want you to prove they are "savings" brought into the country? So it is not taxed.

I think it was mid December 2006, at the time of my Buhdist wedding in Bangkok, as I went to the ATM and it was giving 75baht for one British pound

Your US treaty does seem to give much protection, but what about the poor British folk!

That's the problem, as I see it as well. I have only one pension that is clearly only to be taxed in the UK under the DTA. This pension is only about 90k baht per year gross, but they would they exempt it or would they use it as a layer to push other items up into the higher progressive Tax bands. Back in 2018 I asked HMRC how would this pension be considered. They reckoned it is possible they could ask for the tax and refund it (but hopefully they would not). Another more substantial pension is from the same continuous service, but as it's not straight out of the UK treasury so they are probably not going to treat it as exempt (unless they take it's title at face value. "Treaty does not include an article dealing with non-government pensions" (from the digest list https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/710099/DT_Digest_April_2018.pdf ) So my other pensions are in the firing line, though all tax it paid in the UK, the only advantage with them id I could configure them to zero income if I were anticipating being in Thailand more than 180 days. Then there are UK ISA's , tax and gain exempt in the UK, but again possibly not in Thailand. "No Relief for State Pension" Anyone taking their occupational or money purchase/DC pension in the UK, and then moving to Thailand, from the UK, best make sure they are there less than the 180 days in that calendar year, if they take their "Tax Free" lump sum, which could be millions of baht Thailand Thailand may want a slice! Unless they come out with some sort of global exemption clause for retired / married folk, I would think UK folks have a lot to worry about . The UK DTA is massively less protective as regards pension compared with the USA DTT, so IMHO the headline that said if you have DT treaty, not to worry, is totally misleading for UK folks. Unless further clarified by Thai RD.. If they again enforce the Tax clearance certificate, to let you out the country over 180 days, could be another issue. It fizzled out end of the 1990's I think, but is it not still lurking in old RD pages somewhere. I've never managed to stay in Thailand for a whole year, I think the most was about 260days, with the longest trip probably 70ish days on a ME Visa. The only hope for me is perhaps article 4, as the UK will always be my area of vital interest, and as a national etc. But if the over 180 days is an exponential increase in having to deal with Thai Officialdom, what a substantial incentive not to get involved. I'm not saying I wont plead (for what is essentially an extended visitor visa status) for a year in the future. if it is only "money brought into Thailand" as some article suggest, I can't see the mechanism for remittance only basis either. I'm the UK now so hope all the UK guinea pigs will feedback outcomes over the following 17 months ????.

All my pensions will be taxed at source in the UK. Then the "Tax Free" income in the UK may be taxable in Thailand. Then a lump for visa requirements may be taxable as it is brought in. HMRC said (2018) even if the income is clearly not taxable under the Treaty, The other state may still require you to pay and then claim it back. So you would need a "float" (which may be taxed again) of a few thousand around to cope with the mis-match. Then the tax years do not match April to April Vs Calendar Year, which would extend things. It will be no fun! Unlikely to be there continuously anyway, the visas are only enhanced visitor visas , For someone that would be there probably perhaps spend 260 days a year max, it is unlikely to be worth all the hassle. 178 days max view going forward..? I would never say never, that I would stay a full year, but the rumors of them maybe extending insurance requirements on other visas, there may be only a few years of a window for this to happen.

Being registered for tax in the UK does not In itself exempt you from Thai tax. (In a conversation with a UK officer, it is possible to be asked to pay tax, and then have to claim it back! Even if the item is clearly under the DT treaty. I don't really see that doing a ton of administration work a big attraction to be there = not sanook) If you have a Thai bank account and have been / will be in Thailand less than 179 days during 2023, if possible it may be an idea to preposition some funds in Thailand before the 31st of December 2023 ( to be sure probably before mid Dec practically. Until the recent tax changes that have been vaguely announced are technically clarified, it is difficult to anticipate the situation for 2024 regards tax. I've read articles and posts which are phrased in different ways on the subject, which could mean radically different outcomes in practice. As I'll always be a UK tax payer., look forward to the situation becoming Chrystal clear, at the end of the Day ????

Sky news just quoted a report of the PM saying they will standby the triple lock. So it would seem so. Noting the overall picture, this came up on a search page... https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn00290/ ..."The UK devotes a smaller percentage of its GDP to state pensions and pensioner benefits than most other advanced economies." https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00290/SN00290.pdf

Info I got back start of may, "Thank you for your email. Please gather all the required documents before starting your application 1) You may apply for a Non-Immigrant O visa if you are married to a Thai national, or have a Thai citizen child (with your name as a father on the birth certificate), For a dependent for your spouse/children as you're going to work in Thailand (Non-Immigrant B) as a Non-Immigrant O staying with your family it will be single entry only. (Please do not submit multiple entries)The visa fee is not refundable. Please see the documents required, please follow the steps below. Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's family residing in Thailand single Maximum stay of 90 days/ 3 months validity) or Multiple (Maximum stay 90 days per entry/validity for 1 year) A list of documents 1. Passport or travel document with validity, not less than 6 months, and at least 2 blank pages 2. Your recent photo (selfie is acceptable) 3. Marriage certificate / Birth Certificate 4. Spouse's Thai ID card/passport 5. Financial evidence showing savings of not less than £10,000 for multiple entry visa, or £1,000 for single entry, e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, for at least 1 month 6. Proof of residency e.g. council tax bills, driving license 7. Travel history in the last 1 year- please upload a page of your passport with a visa stamp, or a blank page if not travelled in the past year 8. Photo of the applicant holding his/her passport 9. Your flight and accommodation (hotel booking for the first few days will be acceptable) details" I'm just needing a single entry at the moment, but reckon I would need a Multi again 2026 onwards (like I had before ) There is a note on the eVISA that to get the Embassy will need a reason why you need to visit Thailand Frequently for a Multi. I thought the Multi non-O had stopped in Jun 2019, at London, but there was a thread a few weeks ago an a few people had been issued them in recent months. I'll try and find the thread... edit.. https://aseannow.com/topic/1286952-multiple-entry-non-o-london/

The questions for the multi and when applying for the single. Type out "Not thought applicable for the single entry visa applied for" snip it to a jpeg image, upload that, and it will let you move on...... The residency question Dad uses a council tax letter. The first e-visa I applied for last Friday, I've used the driving licence scanned with a recent HMRC tax coding letter behind it, a driving licence was cited as an example, on an email from the Embassy.

Well I've use 3 .PDFs out of 13 uploads, they appeared to have uploaded ok, will see the result. asked for a single entry but ideally would need a multi Non-O again in a couple of years time, when the wee boy finishes high school. Support Document (.jpg .jpeg .PDF file, Limit Size is 3MB)

The space on the e-visa needs something uploaded to move on with the application. The letter from spouse was not required previously and was not on the email list from the Embassy to me at the start of May. I've got the wife to send an email with a one liner stating yes still married and she is aware of my trip [arrival date on air ticket] along with the son, and her contact e-mail. If I were asking for the visa, on the basis of my son, travelling with me, I would just word something to that effect and maybe put his picture holding his Thai Passport / air ticket and edit together as one image file, upload that in that space... I'm trying to remember if the supporting docs takes PDFs as the financial thingy may be difficult to fit on one page (first e-visa I've don for myself), will get to page 4 soon or look at one of Dad's old ones (he'll be getting on the plane BKK to come back in 30 mins time, may enjoy the Scottish climate due to the heat out there????)

I've not got to the application yet still getting a few supporting docs together. Will register on the e system shortly, and have a look soon. If your going on the basis of your Daughter for the Visa, just get her to write a note and copy her Thai passport on the same page perhaps, and upload that perhaps? Once registered I'll maybe spot something once I'm in, I also don't wish to have to go to an immigration office! Just waiting on the posty hopefully with the second last thing I need for the supporting docs.. Are you flying soon or waiting on the school holidays like us. ????

Question "9" is not on the list I got back from an e-mail enquiry at the start of May. I'm also traveling with teenage Thai National (son) ....... Please gather all the required documents before starting your application 1) You may apply for a Non-Immigrant O visa if you are married to a Thai national, or have a Thai citizen child (with your name as a father on the birth certificate), For a dependent for your spouse/children as you're going to work in Thailand (Non-Immigrant B) as a Non-Immigrant O staying with your family it will be single entry only. (Please do not submit multiple entries)The visa fee is not refundable. Please see the documents required, please follow the steps below. Non-Immigrant Type O (Visiting or staying with applicant's family residing in Thailand single Maximum stay of 90 days/ 3 months validity) or Multiple (Maximum stay 90 days per entry/validity for 1 year) A list of documents 1. Passport or travel document with validity, not less than 6 months, and at least 2 blank pages 2. Your recent photo (selfie is acceptable) 3. Marriage certificate / Birth Certificate 4. Spouse's Thai ID card/passport 5. Financial evidence showing savings of not less than £10,000 for multiple entry visa, or £1,000 for single entry, e.g. bank statements, proof of earnings, for at least 1 month 6. Proof of residency e.g. council tax bills, driving license 7. Travel history in the last 1 year- please upload a page of your passport with a visa stamp, or a blank page if not travelled in the past year 8. Photo of the applicant holding his/her passport 9. Your flight and accommodation (hotel booking for the first few days will be acceptable) details ...... If your sure it is not required, what we do on one of the tourist visa questions, (for single entry) is to type out "Not thought required for the visa requested" make that into a .jpg image, upload it, and it let's you proceed. The templates for the supporting docs, seems to be for a group of visas rather being exactly specific to the one selected perhaps.

Yes it is weird, they should perhaps tackle the food price inflation and those other essentials that are impacting the majority of working people with below median salaries . the increase in the Mortgages and rents as a knock on effect of the rate rises, is in itself inflationary! The increasing housing cost to wages ratio is unsustainable, something will break at some point.

The previously mentioned e-mail maybe there is a subtle difference between Stay with family and Stay with wife for the non-O ME. but if it is back on for non-o ME retirement as well that would be useful for my father. My 2018 & early 2019 issue non-O ME visas were good as leaves the option of going for a city break in the region with ease. I used to always plan my flights well in advance, and my border runs were back to the UK for between 8 and 35 days I had Travel insurance with unlimited 92 day trips from UK. I enquired additionally about a moderate Thai Health insurance, but the broker said he could not sell me one in all honesty, as the T&Cs had a clause that you had to be in Thailand 180 days or more in the previous 12 months! I've never managed more than 75 days in Thailand , without having to go back to the UK for something. The higher airfares make that a bit nippy now perhaps.

Also in the e-mail they commented that current processing time, was 10-15 days......

I'll just cut and paste this in here as well for info..... I received an e-mail back from London (02May23), a lot of cut and paste but the essentials I was looking for/understand it to be ( but only intending July/Aug this summer ) Staying with family Financial evidence showing savings.... £10000 multi Non-O £1000 single entry Non-o e.g. Bank Statement, proof of earnings, for at least one month. The Red bold Paragraph implies, non-B and non-O staying with family, it will be a single entry (Please do not submit multiple entries) The Visa fee is non-refundable. Which suggests to me, it still as I thought it was since June 2019, if you just go on the e-visa system and ask for a multi non-O, you will likely end up with a Single entry Non-O (£60) after applying for a Multi (£150). They are not saying absolutely you can't get a Multi. But they cannot and have no way of refunding the difference in the Visa fee if you end up with a SE. Accommodation hotel booking for the first few nights will be acceptable (I presume that will be enough to get a initial TM30 in the system perhaps) Looking ahead, I hope I can Get a Multi-non O, but can only get back to Thailand to see the wife, this year and till summer 2025, during the UK school holidays!

I received an e-mail back from London, a lot of cut and paste but the essentials I was looking for/understand it to be Staying with family Financial evidence showing savings.... £10000 multi Non-O £1000 single entry Non-o e.g. Bank Statement, proof of earnings, for at least one month. The Red bold Paragraph implies, non-B and non-O staying with family, it will be a single entry (Please do not submit multiple entries) The Visa fee is non-refundable. Which suggests to me, it still as I thought it was since June 2019, if you just go on the e-visa system and ask for a multi non-O, you will likely end up with a Single entry Non-O (£60) after applying for a Multi (£150). They are not saying absolutely you can't get a Multi. But they cannot and have no way of refunding the difference in the Visa fee if you end up with a SE. Accommodation hotel booking for the first few nights will be acceptable (I presume that will be enough to get a initial TM30 in the system perhaps) (Past experience with London they will try and get you what they are allowed to get you. Many years ago dad had the application with them and there was a rule change, instead of two tourist entries the gave him a single non-O so in time for his trip to post the Passport back, but then found after that he could get a non-O ME retired Visa from then until 2018-19, which was better for 177 days total on three trips p.a.) OP good luck with your Multi!

My Daughter born in Fife, Scotland, U.K has a UK Birth Cert and a Thai Birth Cert issued by the Embassy in London. She maintains a Thai Passport, next trip to London in 2025 ????. I think her ID card has expired. She still uses maiden name, as though you can renew the ID card (last time we looked) via the Embassy, you would have to go to the local office in Thailand to get the first one, or to amend it (which the daughter does not want to do). Her Son, now 3 years, is Blonde/Blue eyes, could perhaps ask for Thai Birth Cert/passport, but reckon he would still get dual pricing! My son now 15 (born in Phitsanulok) has Thai birth Cert, and British Birth Cert, as I registered his Birth at the Embassy a month after he was born (Don't know if the British Embassy still offers the service?) and as well as the Embassy issued Cert, I can (and he will be able to) order further copies from "People of Scotland" Registrar.