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Yep, fun and games galore could be in prospect for us Brits in receipt of that pittance called the UK State Pension - with both the RD here in Thailand and HMRC back home.

I sincerely hope you're right, John. When I delve even more into the potential situation regarding the State Pension for us Brits, matters get even more absurd. To avoid being taxed twice it would appear that we shall need to complete a complex 6-page form: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1119722/Double_Taxation_Treaty_Relief_Form_DT-Individual.pdf And no doubt the RD will insist on a certified Thai translation of the bit they'll need to complete, before doing the necessary in Thai, of course. As a result, HMRC back in the UK (the British IRS) will probably then require a certified English translation of what the RD have said. When taken with employing accountants to sort this bureaucratic mess out, we could be talking about a total cost which would be way in excess of the 7,000 THB for which, by my reckoning, I would personally be liable to double taxation!

Ha-ha! Consistent with the overall track record on dual pricing for access to national parks, etc here in LOS, it would not surprise me in the slightest if we were, in fact, taxed at a special foreigner rate which was 10 times greater than that levied on the locals!

Please click on the following link to the RD website which, I think, provides the info you're after: https://www.rd.go.th/fileadmin/user_upload/AEC/AseanTax-Thailand.pdf

I have just conducted a rough and ready calculation of the tax which would, in theory, be due to the RD in respect of my UK State Pension which has been frozen ever since I claimed it in 2015. This reveals that I would be capable of swelling their coffers by a truly magnificent 7,000 THB or thereabouts per annum! I believe that the words sledgehammer, nut and crack would spring to mind, therefore, in the event of the RD still deciding to go after me and fellow UK State Pensioners with zeal and gusto for what will turn out in practice to be paltry tax payments. But this being Thailand, of course..................

Indeed there is:- https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/507424/uk-thailand-dtc180281_-_in_force.pdf UK property rental income is covered by Article 7, as are public sector occupational pensions (Civil Service, police, military, NHS, local government, teachers, etc) by Article 19(2)(a). On the other hand, private sector occupational pensions are not covered, so will almost certainly be affected by this measure. And those of us in receipt of the State Pension, which is not covered either, will also, in theory, be affected. As I see things, this could mean us State Pensioners having to file annual tax returns with both HMRC (even if we haven't needed to do this previously) and the Thai RD. But good luck to the RD if they really seriously believe that they will be able to raise significant amounts to swell Thai exchequer coffers through taxation on our perpetually frozen State Pensions! Apologies if I'm repeating anything which has already been stated in the intervening 40 pages of this thread!

Only true in respect of the non-O visa conversion part of the process (which I assume is how the OP is about to obtain his non-O visa). For his subsequent annual extension of stay application for marriage, the OP will need to have seasoned in his bank account a minimum of 400k for at least 2 months, as correctly stated by @DrJack54.

@elfpattaya's experience with his Santander account, as reported in the other thread referred to by @Eff1n2ret, clearly indicates that your concerns are not misplaced.

I do, though, have to wonder whether the OP is the victim of yet another instance of nitpicking roguery in which the Jomtien Immigration Office seems to excel itself.

Just beware, however, that this 7-day grace period DOES, in fact, include weekends and holidays when IMM is closed. In other words, if your due reporting date were, say, this coming Sun 24 Sep, you would, in practice, only have until next Fri 29 Sep to report in person. If you delayed going in until Mon 1 Oct you would definitely run the risk of getting hit with a 2,000 THB fine.

If by "visa" you mean a real genuine McCoy multi-entry one of the non-immigrant O variety like those issued by the Savannakhet Consulate, why not use it one more time to gain a further 90-day permission to stay through a border bounce?????

Their walk-in charge is actually in the range 1,560 - 3,400 THB according to their website. https://visa.vfsglobal.com/tha/en/gbr/hmpo

This is where things will almost certainly start slowing down considerably for you since CW appear to take an extremely leisurely attitude towards the processing of online 90-day reports!

Which immigration office, please?

So a double dose of good luck in your case, then, in that you'll also now be spared the rigours of the dreaded With-It Tower Passport Renewal Experience! ????

Yes, IMHO you should definitely let HMPO know ASAP that the old passport has turned up - and at the same time check with them whether it will be OK for you to cancel it by snipping off a corner on the front cover before wielding a pair of scissors for this purpose. Maybe best to do this by completing their passport enquiries form so that you have something in writing:- https://eforms.homeoffice.gov.uk/outreach/Passport_Enquiries.ofml?_ga=2.171280867.2124134922.1626837669-1983836778.1623461427

That thread dates back to August 2022, which suggests to me that @SpaceKadet has recently applied for a further retirement extension at HH. If that is, indeed, the case then maybe he could indicate whether the info he provided in that thread still held good in his experience in 2023.

Only insofar as CW is concerned in theory, given that this particular facility is only available to those registered in Bangkok, it would appear. And those using it could still, in practice, be subject to inconsistency between individual officers at that particular office as regards supporting document requirements. And I for one would earnestly hope that VFS never roll out this facility nationwide nor extend it to non-immigrant annual extensions of stay for retirement, marriage, etc. Being forced to make a couple of trips in person to their office in Bangkok every 9-10 years as required for us Brits at passport renewal time is already bad enough as far as I am concerned, without further mandatory trips to that hell-hole called Bangkok being imposed on us every year for Thai immigration purposes! ????

I have come to the conclusion that a secret edict went out from Immigration Bureau big-wigs to all offices a few months ago requiring bank statements to be now provided in support of all marriage and retirement extension of stay applications based on 400k or 800k in the bank, in addition to account confirmation letters and updated passbook copies as previously. I was similarly told to go away and obtain a 12-month bank statement when I applied for my latest retirement extension at Rayong a couple of months ago.

Medical extensions of up to 90 days are possible under para 2.25 of Immigration Bureau Orders 327/2557 and 138/2557, English translations of which can be downloaded by clicking on the relevant links at 12 and 16 (not the Siam Translation ones, though!) of the "Laws, regulations, Police Orders, etc" pinned thread (linked below for ease of reference):- https://aseannow.com/topic/981135-laws-regulations-police-orders-etc Your friends will therefore need to establish, as a matter of extreme urgency, with their Thai hospital whether a stay of more than 15 days will be needed in their case; and, if so, what assistance the hospital can provide in obtaining the necessary medical extensions from the local immigration office on their behalf.

Might be possible to use the online method if the transfer of stamps from old to new passports has already taken place. But would it not, in practice, be better to do a 90-day report in person at the same time as the stamps transfer (as I did after renewing my passport last year)?

Only if he is a Brit. However I get the impression from his OP that his home country's (whatever said home country might be) passport renewal procedures from Thailand are far more civilised than those which apply to us Brits! Quite frankly, I think that the only options now available to him are (1) to book a flight ticket to enable him to fly back to his home country before his current permission to stay expires, (2) obtain a "lost or stolen passport" police report here in Thailand, and (3) leg it to his home country embassy in Bangkok clutching both ticket and report in order to obtain the necessary emergency travel document/passport. It could be that his embassy requires firm evidence of travel plans out of Thailand before being prepared to issue him with the necessary emergency travel document/passport (certainly this is the case for us Brits). Then once back in his home country apply for a replacement passport there, and once this has been issued return to Thailand visa-exempt with a view to applying for a non-o conversion for retirement at his local immigration office as detailed in the following link:- https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf He should also bear in mind that a certified translation of his Thai "lost or stolen passport" police report into either English or whatever the official language in his home country is will almost certainly be a prerequisite to applying for a replacement passport there. IMHO this thread is a salutary reminder to us all of the perils of leaving it until the last minute before renewing our passports. As stated in his OP: "My passport was about to expire in October, and at the same time I had to renew my one-year visa, so in August, I sent the passport by a reputable Southeast Asian forwarding firm to my embassy in Bangkok." IMHO 2 months definitely comes under the "leaving it until the last minute" category.

Indeed, Jomtien insist on 2-month seasoning of the 800k for retirement non-o visa conversions, contrary to the official rules.

Provided that he already has a Thai bank account with at least 800,000 THB safely stashed in it. In connection with the 65,000 THB monthly income alternative, neither the British nor the Australian embassies in Bangkok will issue him with the necessary letter of guarantee: https://www.immigration.go.th/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/9.FOR-RETIREMENT-PURPOSES-50-YEARS-OLD-NON-O.pdf

And HMRC are by no means alone in the Great British Government Machine in inflicting this sort of nonsense on us, as I have already stated in this thread. Equal bucketloads of shame on HMPO and DWP, I think.