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  1. I read this website:((URL removed))

    "Requirement for Non-Imm B (Business Visa)

    The foreigner who wish to apply for the Non-Immigration Visa under type B (Business), need to have one of the following requirements:

    # Being employed by the Company Limited, as in case, such foreigner need to be during the process of Work Permit approval from Department of Labour or;

    # Investing a minimum of 3 million Baht in the Kingdom of Thailand by ... "

    Obviously, I missed the "one of he following" and "or" - so either being in the work-permit process OR investing a minimum of 3MTHB allows for a Non-B visa.

  2. Do not know where you come up with needing 3M baht from.

    It says you need a Non-B visa, while a Non-B visa needs a 3,000,000 THB on your bank account. // edit: Sorry, I missed an "or" here: So either the 3,000,000 THB investment OR being in the work-permit process allows for a Non-B visa, ((URL removed))

    You take that receipt with you plus company documents to consulate abroad when applying for Non-B visa.

    What additional company documents should I bring?

  3. Okay, to get it clear: The company would need to issue certain documents for me, which I would take to e.g. Vientiane to get a non-imm B visa. With that visa I am allowed to hold a work-permit, so once back the company can apply for a work-permit for me, right? Once I got the work-permit I can go abroad again to apply for a multiple-entry 1 year type B visa (otherwise I would have my 3 months single-entry B visa).

    //edit: Which documents are needed so I can get a 3-months B visa in Vientiane or Phnom Penh?

  4. That is a completely different situation. If you are actively working in Thailand then you need a work permit even if you register a company outside of Thailand and get a Thai company to invoice your foreign company.

    Thanks, that was my question whether it is a question of where the work physically is carried out or if a Thai company generally cannot purchase anything from a foreign company.

    So I will ask the company again if it is possible to get a work-permit. I already know that I would neet a non-immigrant visa. Can you recommend a best way to get one? The type B visa is not possible for me a a student as I just do not have the 3,000,000 THB. For an ED visa I would have to register at an university or language school here again which would cost me another 20,000-30,000 THB fees again.

    Being a sales/marketing representative is different from being a 'worker'. For working visits the Thai company can obtain a temporary 15 day work permit for the foreign from local labour office.

    So if a Thai company would like to hire The Boston Consulting Group they would not be able to do so (supposed BCG does not have a Thai office) or would need to get Work-Permit for all of their consultants coming here for the project?

    You ask a question and you are given an answer. You don't like the answer so you ask another non nonsensical question

    Goods are not people working and are covered by a whole set of completely different laws

    The question makes sense. At least as far as my understanding goes it makes sense: For me "consultancy" is a good same as an "iPod" is one. My good is knowledge; Apples good is MP3 players. And how would you classify a customized IT system which consists of the physical piece of software and the immaterial work of customizing it using specific know-how? Would it be a "good" or not?

  5. General question: A Thai company needs to carry out a project. They do not find a proper partner in the Thai market so they would like to outsource the project to be done by a foreign company or freelancer. Is that possible?

    My situation: I am living in Bangkok since almost 2 years now. I was studying here, then working as a trainee for a multinational company. Now I am finishing my masters degree here.

    Since my ex-boss (the company I was trainee at) was very satisfied with my work, he asked me to carry out a similar project at his new company. The project has to start as soon as possible and is supposed to be finished within 2 months only. Furthermore, I will not receive a per-month salary, but I will charge them a fixed price based on a per-diem and man-days calulated. So a work-permit does not seem to be the best solution.

    However, I can easily register a Ltd. or similar company back home. I am used to it, because I was regularly working as a freelancer there before I came to Thailand. When a company had a specific task to be carried out, we would provide them a proposal and quotation and once agreed we would found a Ltd. for the period of that project and get paid with a fixed prices. Is that possible for me here, too, or could there be any work-permit issues?

  6. Germany, Belgium, Netherlands,.. Even if you go to a public swimming pool which has a spa area you would go there naked, otherwise you would be kicked out or at least people would stare at you and be offended. I guess it is not different in the Scandinavian countries where the sauna thing has its roots. Sometimes you have to wear a towel in areas like the restaurant, cafe, etc., but in the actual saunas, pools, jacuzzis, etc. being naked is enforced.

    However, referring to Wikipedia, sauna culture seems to differ in the various countries, with countries like Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, etc. where nud_e and mixed saunas are normal and nudity often is even enforced; with other countries where nudity is tolerated or allowed in the single saunas; etc. But considering a nud_e and mixed sauna as low-class or a lack of dignity or some form of sex is ridiculous.

    then there is the "King and I" Men only Sauna, they like swedish style sauna with hot and cold pool but no garden. Its at Nana Plaza if you pm me i can help

    Thanks, but I guess it is one of the many gay saunas. As mentioned before, searching with Google for "bangkok sauna" or similar will return loads of these gay places. Some must be really nice and stylish, yet still contact places for gays. Wearing a towel or small pants seems to be common, nudity being tolerated or having specific nud_e days. Anyways, it is not what I am looking for.

  7. It is neither gay nor nudist. It is a common style of wellness in Europe. People go there for relaxation and health. Maybe you've never been to Europe or you are just as prude and lacking confidence as some (I write 'some' because I do not want to over-simplify like you) Thais if you really want to call such low-class and a lack of dignity. Or you just don't know that taking off the towel is more relaxing and hygienic. As far as you don't have to be ashamed of a small penis :)

  8. There are some things I am missing about Bangkok and one of these things is Western-style saunas or spas. Back home I enjoy to have a day or some hours in a nice big spa with different kinds of saunas, jacuzzis, pools, gardens, etc., while it is mixed and no one cares about walking naked (actually it is not allowed to wear a towel or anything). Here in Bangkok there seems to be a big scene of gay saunas but that is not what I am interested in (however, it makes it difficult to find something searching with Google). Furthermore, all the major gyms, spas and hotels seem to have saunas but I think none of them are mixed and naked and actually all of them seem to be more like some small rooms added but not a real big sauna-garden.

    So do you know of any Western-style sauna in Bangkok?

  9. Can you pay extra and get your tourist visax2 on the day and how much...thanks

    I cannot confirm that; but at least some guy of my hotel offered me a visa express service within one day. On the one hand, I am always careful when it comes to such offers; on the other hand, I know how things work here and that a little tea money can achieve a lot. So I guess it is possible, you will just have to find the right person. I also heard that in front of the consulate you can buy low queue numbers for a fee of 300 THB if you don't like waiting.

  10. I just downloaded the Thai application form to get double entry from their consulate in Laos, has it changed as last time i dont recall the form asking my employment details? I am currenlty not working so will this have any bearing on the application?

    I think they do not care about that. Just write your last occupation, or "Student" or "unemployed" or whatever.

    Finally, what time does the Friendship bridge checkpoints open please?

    Due to the SEA games they are open 24hrs at the moment. Actual time is 6.00-22.00.

  11. I just came back from Vientiane with a 2-entry tourist visa. Everything worked fine. Thank you all for your help and advice here. To provide help to others I will write a detailed trip report here summing up both the information I gathered in the forum here as well as my final organization of the visa trip.

    Bangkok-Vientiane Tourist Visa Trip by Bus

    Preparations

    If you prepare the following items you can save some time and money in Vientiane:

    • Check the website of the Thai consulate in Vientiane for their opening hours and public holidays before you plan your trip. They will be closed both on Thai holidays as well as on Laos holiday, of course, which can seriously affect your planning.
    • Download, print and fill-out the tourist visa application form from the website of the Thai consulate. Make sure you filled out the correct number of entries (either 1 or 2 entries; more will be rejected anyways).
    • 3 photos in correct size (1 for the Laos visa-on-arrival, 2 for the Thailand tourist visa application). Make sure the photos are not too big for the Thailand tourist visa application form. In particular, make sure they do not cover the field where you fill on the number of entries you request. Maybe you have to crop your photos a little bit. Take some glue (not too much) and attach you photos to the application form.
    • Get 31 USD (30 USD for the Laos visa-on-arrival and 1 USD entry fee to stamp into Laos) from a Bangkok. It will probably give you a better exchange rate than at the border.
    • Currently (until Jan 2010) the Thailand tourist visa in Vientiane is free of charge. Actually it is 1,000 THB fee per entry you request. If you have to pay a fee then better prepare the Baht before. It will give you a better exchange rate than changing Kip into Baht in Vientiane.
    • You might consider booking a hotel in advance. Actually there should not be a problem going to Vientiane without having a room booked. Even during the SEA games in Vientiane when many hotels where full I got a room for 800 THB. Making a reservation in advance can save you some time and stress, however, and you can deal with your hotel that they pick you up from the border which would save you some money.
    • Download a small map from Google Maps for example with your hotel and the Thai consulate marked. Not absolutely necessary, but it can help you in some situations (I rented a motorbike and lost my way so I was glad to have that little piece of paper to ask some Laos women for the way).

    Transportation

    You have different options to go to Vientiane from Bangkok. If you want to lose as less time as possible you have to consider the schedule of your transportation, the opening hours of the Laos border (6.00-22.00; currently 24 hrs due to the SEA games) and the opening hours of the Thai consulate (8.00-12.00 for visa application; considering a long queue you should arrive not later than 10.00 however). After figuring out and comparing all available ways I decided to go by a VIP bus leaving from Morchit station. Due to personal restrictions I wanted to minimize both travelling time as well as costs and found that the bus tour was the optimal way to achieve that:

    Total time: 68 hours

    (leaving Bangkok-Morchit Wed, 7.00 until Sat, 3.00)

    Total cost: 1.500 THB

    (transportation only; excluding accommodation, visa fees, sightseeing, food, etc.)

    • By taxi: You can take a taxi from Bangkok to Nong Khai at the border. The taxi can bring you directly to the friendship bridge where you actually cross the border. Then you would proceed like if coming with bus or train. Going with taxi is convenient and faster than the bus or train, yet not fast like the plane and very expensive. A taxi would be about 7,000 THB. Even if you share it with fellow travelers or get a better bargain other options are still cheaper.
    • By plane: Going by plane probably it the most comfortable, fastest and most time saving way to get to Vientiane although you are still dependent on the airline schedule which might result in not reducing your total travelling time at all. Furthermore, the plane usually is more expensive than the other options, even if you find a lowcost offer at AirAsia or NokAir for example.
      • Direct flight to Vientiane: You can take a direct flight from Suvarnabhumi International airport to Vientiane in Laos. Probably the most comfortable and fastest way to get there, but also the most expensive. The airport in Vientiane is quite central so a tuk-tuk would not cost you much to get to the Thai consulate or your hotel (30,000 KIP).
      • Via Udon Thani: You can take an airplane from Don Muang domestic airport in Bangkok to Udon Thani. From Udon Thani you can then take a private taxi (about 500 THB) or bus (about 30 THB) to Nong Khai at the border. From Nong Khai you would proceed like if coming with bus or train: Take a tuk-tuk to the friendship bridge (100 THB). Stamp out of Thailand and take the shuttle bus (20 THB) over the bridge. Apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos (30 USD) and stamp into Laos (1 USD entry fee). Take a tuk-tuk (80,000-90,000 KIP if you don't share it) or the local bus to the city centre. A domestic flight with a lowcost airline like NokAir to Udon Thani can be cheaper than a direct flight to Vientiane while you still save a big amount of time (about 550 of 700 km).

      [*] By train: Going by train is not expensive and rather convenient, yet the trains in Thailand are slow and often delayed. The easiest (and cheapest) way to book a train ticket is to do it directly at Hualumphong train station in Bangkok. Especially for the sleeping trains you should book it some days in advance.

      • o Direct trains to Nong Khai: There are currently 3 trains from Bangkok to Nong Khai. While all of them arrive in the early morning the next day, only two of them are sleeping trains where you can spend the night in a bed. These two trains, however, will most probably arrive in Nong Khai too late to make it to the Thai consulate on time if you want to minimize you total travelling time so you would have to stay one more night in Vientiane (or Nong Khai, respectively).
        • No 77 (Bangkok-Hulamphong 18.30): The first train leaves Bangkok in the early evening (498 THB, 2nd class seat with AC). The scheduled arrival is 05.05 in Nong Khai. Considering an estimated delay of 1 hour you will still have enough time to get to the friendship bridge (tuk-tuk 80 THB), stamp out of Thailand, take the shuttle bus over the bridge (20 THB), apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos (30 USD), stamp into Laos (1 USD entry fee) and take a tuk-tuk (80,000-90,000 KIP if you do not share it) to the Thai consulate. The local bus from the friendship bridge is a lot cheaper than a tuk-tuk, of course, but needs 1.5 hours to get to the bus station in Vientiane from where you would have to get a tuk-tuk to the Thai consulate again. As the opening hours for visa applications are 8.00-12.00 and considering a queue of at least 100 people waiting there it could be too late to submit your visa application within the same day. So if you want to make sure that your visa application will be processed within the same day the train is an option only if you hurry up at the border and take a tuk-tuk or taxi instead of the local bus. The train no 77, however, is not a sleeping train. Even though you are travelling the night you will not have a bed to sleep but only an ordinary seat.
        • No 133 (Bangkok-Hualumphong 18.40) or No 69 (Bangkok-Hualumphong 20.00): The second train and third train leave Bangkok a little later but are sleeping trains (2nd class bed 488-778 THB, 1st class bed 1,317 THB) and takes 2.5 hours more to reach Nong Khai. Scheduled arrival is 07.35 and 08.25 in the morning. Considering an estimated time of 1 hour delay and the time you need to get to the friendship bridge (tuk-tuk 80 THB), stamp out of Thailand, take the shuttle bus over the bridge (20 THB), apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos (30 USD), stamp into Laos (1 USD entry fee) and take a tuk-tuk (80,000-90,000 KIP if you do not share it) or local bus to the Thai consulate this way will definitely be too late to reach the consulate on time (opening hours for visa applications are 8.00-12.00 and there will be a queue of people waiting). It is only an option if you do not need to minimize the total travelling time but do not mind to stay a day more in Vientiane (or Nong Khai). Then, however, it is a better option than the first train because you have a bed to sleep.

        [*] Via Udon Thani (No 75, Bangkok-Hualumphong 08.20): The train to Udon Thani is the only way to travel to Nong Khai at day time (498 THB, 2nd class seat with AC). You will reach Udon Thani at 18.10 scheduled time in the evening. From Udon Thani you can take a bus (30 THB) or taxi (about 500 THB) to Nong Khai. As the opening hours of the border are 6.00-22.00 you would have enough time to either cross the border in the evening or early morning so that you can get to the Thai consulate on time the next day. In Nong Khai, get to the friendship bridge (tuk-tuk 100 THB from the bus station or let your taxi bring you there directly), stamp out of Thailand, take the shuttle bus over the bridge (20 THB), apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos (30 USD), stamp into Laos (1 USD entry fee) and take a tuk-tuk (80,000-90,000 KIP if you do not share it) to your hotel (if crossing the border in the evening) or the Thai consulate directly (if crossing the border in the early morning).

      [*] By bus: There are dozens of different busses and companies operating to Nong Khai. Most of them leave from the North-Eastern bus station Morchit. The best fit between cost and convenience is to take a VIP bus which is faster than a normal bus and will give you a little bit more space. Take Chantour and the earliest bus leaving Morchit 7.00 for 450 THB. Call them in advance (026187418) and make a reservation for the A1 seat. You will then sit on a single seat in the first row having the most space. You will reach the bus station in Nong Khai around 16.30. From there, get to the friendship bridge (tuk-tuk 100 THB), stamp out of Thailand, take the shuttle bus over the bridge (20 THB), apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos (30 USD), stamp into Laos (1 USD entry fee) and take a tuk-tuk (80,000-90,000 KIP if you do not share it) to your hotel.

    Accommodation

    Looking on the map (new location of the Thai consulate is marked with a black square, Bourichane Rd) the Thai consulate first looks a little bit far away from the riverside and other major tourist areas where the most hotels and guest houses are. It is not that far so actually you can stay anywhere you want to without being worried about travelling too long to the Thai consulate. Vientiane isn't that big. If you want to stay near the Thai consulate you should book a room in Bouchadakham Hotel (700 THB), Soradith Hotel or Laongdao Hotel (800 THB; Tel (856-21) 990 386, Mobile (856-20) 5517 562); all are in walking distance to the Thai consulate and a tuk-tuk ride to the riverside will be about 20,000 Kip. If you stay at the riverside somewhere between Presidential Palace and Don Chan Palace you will have to take a tuk-tuk to the consulate for 20,000-30,000 Kip.

    Recommended tour and visa process

    You need two days for the visa process: At the first day you submit the visa application and your passport. Then at the next day you can pick up your passport with the new visa inside. Keep in mind the opening hours: 8.00-12.00 for visa applications, 13.00-18.00 for passport pickup. Depending on how you want to travel to Vientiane you will furthermore need some time to get there. I decided to go by VIP bus:

    1. Make the following preparations as mentioned above:

      1. Download, print and fill-out the tourist visa application form from the website of the Thai consulate. Make sure you filled out the correct number of entries (either 1 or 2 entries; more will be rejected anyways).
      2. 3 photos in correct size (1 for the Laos visa-on-arrival, 2 for the Thailand tourist visa application). Make sure the photos are not too big for the Thailand tourist visa application form. In particular, make sure they do not cover the field where you fill on the number of entries you request. Maybe you have to crop your photos a little bit. Take some glue (not too much) and attach you photos to the application form.
      3. Get 31 USD (30 USD for the Laos visa-on-arrival and 1 USD entry fee to stamp into Laos) from a Bangkok. It will probably give you a better exchange rate than at the border.
      4. Currently (until Jan 2010) the Thailand tourist visa in Vientiane is free of charge. Actually it is 1,000 THB fee per entry you request. If you have to pay a fee then better prepare the Baht before. It will give you a better exchange rate than changing Kip into Baht in Vientiane.
      5. You might consider booking a hotel in advance. Actually there should not be a problem going to Vientiane without having a room booked. Even during the SEA games in Vientiane when many hotels where full I got a room for 800 THB. Making a reservation in advance can save you some time and stress, however, and you can deal with your hotel that they pick you up from the border which would save you some money.
      6. Download a small map from Google Maps for example with your hotel and the Thai consulate marked. Not absolutely necessary, but it can help you in some situations (I rented a motorbike and lost my way so I was glad to have that little piece of paper to ask some Laos women for the way).

    [*]Call Chan-Tour (02-6187418) and book a seat for the 7.00 VIP bus from Morchit station to Nong Khai. Make a reservation for the A1 seat. Furthermore, book a seat for the 19.30 bus from Nong Khai to Bangkok for three days later. Again, make a reservation for the A1 seat.

    [*]Go to Morchit station at 6.00 to confirm your reservation. Buy some snacks and get the 7.00 bus you booked.

    [*] You will arrive in Nong Khai around 16.30. Get a tuk-tuk from the bus station to the friendship bridge for 100 THB or just one seat for 30 THB.

    [*] At the friendship bridge, stamp out of Thailand. Get the shuttle bus for 20 THB over the bridge to the Laos side.

    [*] Apply for a visa-on-arrival for Laos. Submit the filled-out form, a passport photo, your passport and 30 USD.

    [*] When your visa is processed stamp into Laos. Pay 1 USD entry fee.

    [*] Get a tuk-tuk for 80,000-100,000 Kip to your hotel. Have some dinner, enjoy Vientiane, go to bed early.

    [*] At the next day, the consulate opens 8.00 in the morning. Make sure you go to the new location of the consulate (aka consular section) but not the Thai embassy or old location (new location is marked with a black square on the map, Bourichane Rd). I recommend arriving there somewhat between 7.30 and 9.00. The earlier you arrive the less you have to wait in the queue but arriving too earlier means waiting for the consulate to open. If you arrive too late you risk that you cannot submit your visa application within that day. I recommend to not arriving later than 10.00. Stand in the queue and wait for the consulate to open. When it opens pick a number for the queue either from the machine or from the consulate staff. Get a seat, read a book and wait until your number comes and submit your application at the counter: Filled-out application form, two passport photos on it, your passport, copy of your passport and the last visas. The guy at the counter will stamp your queue number. Keep the queue number until the next day! As the tourist visa currently is free of charge you are done for the first day. Otherwise, go to the next building (left side) and pay the fee (1,000 THB per entry requested). Depending on how many are there for applying for a visa the whole process will take you 1.5-2 hours.

    [*] Enjoy Vientiane. Rent a motorbike and do some sightseeing. Have a Beerlao at the Mekhong and a french baguette and fruit shake at the House of Fruitshakes.

    [*] At the next day, the consulate opens 13.00 for picking up your passport. The passport pickup process will be a little bit faster than the application process; however, do not arrive too late, otherwise you might not get your passport back that day. Wait for the consulate to open, pick a queue number and wait in the left building where the cashiers are. When your number comes just go to the counter and get your passport and you are done.

    [*] Grab some food and get a tuk-tuk to the friendship bridge for 80,000-100,000 Kip.

    [*] Spend your last money in the duty-free shop, stamp out of Thailand and get the shuttle bus for 20 THB to the Thai side.

    [*] Stamp into Thailand and get a tuk-tuk or taxi seat for 30 THB or a whole tuk-tuk or taxi for 100 THB to the bus station.

    [*] Confirm your reservation at the Chan-Tour office (it is at the bus station) and wait until the bus leaves.

    [*] Take the bus to Bangkok. You will arrive in Bangkok-Morchit around 3.00 in the early morning.

  12. Does the following schedule sound realistic to you?

    Sun, Nov 29 --- Leave Bangkok Hualumphong with Express train 77 at 18.30

    Mon, Nov 30 --- Arrive in Nong Khai around 6.00 in the morning, go to Vientiane and apply for visa

    Tue, Dec 01 --- Pickup visa in Vientiane in the afternoon, go to Nong Khai and take train back to Bangkok

    Wed, Dec 02 --- Arrive Bangkok early in the morning

    (or same for Wed, Dec 02 - Sat, Dec 05)

    Bottleneck is the morning arriving in Nong Khai. If taking the early train 77 which should arrive in Nong Khai at 5.05 o'clock scheduled time (so maybe 6.00 o'clock with delay) is there enough time to reach the consulate? Any experiences?

  13. Thanks again!

    - I recommend you that you better don't take the train to Taladeng, it's just 20 Baht from Nong Khai by train, but the Lao Taxi to Vientiane is more expensive than from the Friendship bridge.

    If I understand you right then train BKK-NK + Taxi NK-VT in total is cheaper than BKK-Taladeng + Taxi Taladeng-VT?

    - You can't rely on the Thai-train. They are too often delayed. So don't count on that (to visit the consular at the same day in the morning)

    - Arrive in the morning in Vientiane, relax ...

    So I definitely have to stay two nights, right? I know that the Thai trai is delayed too often, that is why I was assuming to not be there on time and therefore having to stay another night. But if you mean that I should not got by Thai train but using another way of transportation instead do you have any recommendations? What about public bus or minivan to Nong Khai? How much would be a taxi to Nong Khai?

    (Consular NOT Embassy!)

    Thanks for that, I would have go to the embassy.. Do you know the website or address of the consulate? I only found the embassy website..

  14. Thank you! As for getting from BKK to Vientiane I read on http://www.seat61.com/Laos.htm#Bangkok%20to%20Vientiane that you can take the night train from BKK to Thanaleng and then take a taxi or tuk-tuk. However, the train seems to arrive in Thanaleng around 10.30 plus another taxi/tuk-tuk ride and maybe hotel check-in. So I guess it would not be possible to reach the Thai embassy within their opening hours (Mon-Fri 8.30-12.00 for visa applications according to http://vientiane.thaiembassy.org/vientiane...ssy_time/) which means I have to stay in Vientiane for 2 nights, right? (arrive in Vientiane by sleeping train and taxi/tuk-tuk in the noon, one night then apply for visa the next day, another night then pick-up the passport and go back to BKK).

  15. I am currently on a Non-Immigrant ED visa (I was studying here) which will expire on Dec 5. An extension of my ED visa would be too expensive (I would have to register for another semester at the university ~25,000 THB). In the "Red Warning Stamp at Vientienne" thread it was said that in Vientiane you can still get a 3-months tourist visa which you can extend by another 3 month. So I would like to ask if this is still possible. I would travel to Vientianne in the next days. Do I have to bring any documents? What exactly do I have to apply for (i.e. what do I have to tell the guys at the counter)?

    Furthermore I would like to ask for advise on how to travel there. I do not want to spend much money for an airplane ticket. Bus or train to Nong Khai and then go on.. Are there any best practices you can provide how to get to Vientiane for the tourist visa? I do not mind staying in Nong Khai or Vientiane for a night or two..

    Thanks!

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