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4 hours ago, Loiner said:

No I don’t have to choose anything more.

Both at the same time doesn’t work, but maybe logic is not the strength of a Brexiteer. 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

We in the UK chose to Leave, no question of making any deals.

Yet still your Brexiteer friends keep blocking to leave because of a deal that they were never supposed to have a say in. 

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

even our own parliament cannot easily run roughshod over the UK people.

...and I appreciate that they keep blocking a no-deal Brexit (and effectively Brexit altogether). ???? 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

They certainly help you keep up the TVF click rate.

What exactly is a “TVF click rate”?

15 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Anyone who doesn’t advocate no deal doesn’t understand the UK.
Anyone who insists that the referendum didn’t call for a deal, shows they don’t understand the referendum options, or how the Political elites or parliament are subverting democracy.

I’m afraid you have to choose what is decisive. If it’s “the referendum options” there was no no-deal as a referendum option. If it’s to “understand the UK” everyone could claim his understanding is the right one. 

Or you just accept that it’s over and you move on. Brexit ain’t gonna happen. 

37 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

They said we KNOW Trump was avoiding taxes. And now it has been shown he did not avoid taxes, he in fact lost a whole heap of money.

Any proof for that? Of course not. 

Do Brexiteers still think they “won”?

1 hour ago, bizboi said:

and remoaners remind me of petulant brat children that just can’t accept - THEY LOST!!

I can’t see that they lost anything. So far it looks pretty good for them, don’t you think? 

33 minutes ago, Spidey said:

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

 

So that's thick, old Tories. The statistics don't lie. 555

Any then they complain when they’re being called uneducated. While at the same time not knowing their own laws, believing a PM has the power to change the constitution alone with a leaflet. 

18 minutes ago, nev said:

If the government are to telling you to remain you are better to vote the opposite way, They are only in it for what they can get for themselves and nothing about what the average folk will benefit from staying in the EU.

The one doesn’t necessarily exclude the other, but I guess some Brexiteers would still prefer to shooting themselves in the foot if at least they can also shoot the government in the foot. Against the establishment! Viva la revolucion!

1 hour ago, transam said:

The ordinary Joe like me knows nothing about UK law and politicians can/could tell porkies.....

Brexiteers like to complain when people call them uneducated or ill informed. I appreciate that you are honest about it (and I mean that). 

Nevertheless...

1 hour ago, transam said:

 

Us ordinary Joe's were told the referendum result would be adhered too....Joe wants what we voted for....No question, no arguments, no back tracking.....

...it should be clear even for the “ordinary Joes” that laws only make sense as long as they apply to everyone, regardless of his or her knowledge of such laws. It would defeat the purpose of laws if one could just claim he didn’t know to circumvent it. 

41 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Your colloquial English is coming on leaps and bounds since you started playing with the Britischers isn't it? Keep it up and soon they won't realise that your actually playing for the opposition team. Chuck in a few 'mates' and 'innits' and you'll have 'em thinking you are actually a home grown Remainer.

Next time have a look at what I am replying to before wasting time on a comment like this. 

Just now, transam said:

Or false promise...Singular....Voters took that singular promise as fact....

That’s the problem of the (some) voters then. It’s not that the UK’s laws are kept a secret. Every half-informed citizen should know his country’s constitution and laws, especially when it comes to big decisions like this. While I wholeheartedly agree that Cameron deserves blame for making false promises to his people, I do not have much sympathy with people not knowing the laws or overturning laws just because it suits their agenda. Imagine what a dangerous precedent it would create if a PM could just overturn the constitution. You don’t want Corbyn to do that.  

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you are saying that Cameron could be sent to prison for telling the electorate the vote will be adhered too but is a lie...?

I am not aware of any law that forbids a PM to make false promises. 

22 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

I read this several times. But I don't have the clue what will be the change, as there is a deal with EU fixed and EU is not willing to re-negotiate. 

The point is if UK people are voting to leave with a deal..... Would the Parliament/Tory perform and agree? 

Or this turmoil is an endless story? 

Remember a referendum is only an advice for the Govt 

“Remember a referendum is only an advice for the Govt” That was true for the first referendum. You could hold a legally binding referendum though. Would require parliament to change the laws accordingly. So, in the end, it all comes back to the sovereign parliament. However, I am inclined to believe that even another non-binding referendum, if it is held now when people are informed better and the voting options are better defined and implementable, parliament would just go with it. 

1 minute ago, transam said:

Good grief......The gov of the day put in writing the voters wishes would be implemented....Cameron or not, it is in writing..

 

Get a grip man....

Everyone can put something in writing. That’s not sufficient to change existing laws. Get a grip man!

6 minutes ago, transam said:

No, the referendum stated the vote outcome would be implemented....Do you not understand that...?

1. Countries are governed by laws, not by leaflets or the promises someone makes. 

2. The leaflet only talks about leaving the EU. It neither talks about not doing x or y after having left the EU. 

3. The leaflet also doesn’t say anything about what will or should happen if parliament doesn’t agree on a or b. 

32 minutes ago, IssanMichael said:

Just read the document it says that the vote is to remain or leave.

...in the EU. Nowhere does it talk about a customs union after having left the EU. 

And, it’s just a leaflet. It’s advertisement. Information. Democracies are governed by laws not by leaflets.  

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

If the anger is as high as claimed by brexiteers the turnout should be extremely high.

The turnout should have been extremely high at the local elections. 

21 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Day by day, month by month, year by year Sharia is creeping into all our lives. Be very afraid.

It hasn’t creeped into mine. Mind to share how it has creeped into your life, day by day, month by month, year by year? 

That worked well, David! 

23 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

Remember your statement come the end if this month..when the populist parties run riot in the mep elections.

French rally..afD..Brexit Party and others.
He who laughs last laughs longest.
Have a nice evening.

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How long are you hoping for it already? ???? 

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Let's have this conversation again after 23rd May.  

Let’s have this conversation again when Brexit happens. ????