Hawkman

"2. News reports and distribution of newspapers and other publications carrying distorted information or facts that might cause panic, affect peace and order or good morals are not allowed."

Wow, so only news reports acceptable from the Government. North Korea style media at its best. So, if some corruption deals get exposed, it won't be reported, if a red shirt causes violence it won't be reported. Any anti Government reports won't be reported.

If Suthep or the anti Government protesters do something bad, it will be reported.

​What a fair democracy that is. People really don't realise how corrupt and power hungry this Government really are.

Being charged over her complicity in the rice scheme corruption will be the least of her worries. With the precedent clearly set(by her own govt) to charge sitting PMs for premeditated murder in a personal capacity for any deaths caused by state officials during riots or civil unrest, she will have 9 premeditated murder charges to deal with first. She will not get out of prison until she is about 360 years old so will be in no fit state to stand trial for policy corruption at that age.

If she is charged, she should just follow coward Suthep's lead an start a protest group to avoid it like him. Suthep has managed to cause problems for the people of BKK with his 20 supporters, just imagine what YS could not with 15 million.

If Suthep is the coward, why did PTP try to bring in an amnesty bill to clear him of what he's been accused of? Not Suthep's bill, but PTP. Surely, trying to whitewash yourself from crime is the cowardly act.

And calling Suthep (who I can't stand btw) a coward is laughable when compared with Thaksin. Not exactly facing up to his crimes is he?

It should be patently obvious that the repeated attacks on the anti-government protestors are being orchestrated (a) in the hope of reducing the number of demonstrators and ( if that fails, as an excuse for declaring a state of emergency and dispersing the demonstrators.

In case you missed it, the number of protestors decreased prior to the grenade attacks.

Very true, but more so afterwards. A few parents and their older children I know who were taking part, have been scared off to do so. When your actual lives are involved, you weigh up your priorities of getting out the corrupt Government and Thaksin's elite mob against your life and your family's.

If you scare off the families and students after the attacks, then yes, the protest crowds will die down huge.

I must make it clear, I don't think the Government were responsible for the attacks, nor do I believe the stupid conspiracy that it was Suthep's lot. Both sides could gain, both sides could lose from it. It only takes a red shirt to dress up as an Anti-Government protester and vice versa.

Probably some other fraction with their own agenda or has sympathy to one of the sides.

If there had been no protesters, there would have been no attack..

I think most of us are growing weary of this elitest B.S..

The vast majority of the protesters by far, easily over 90% are nothing to do with the elite. Walk through and see for yourself.

The same argument could be said about 2010, for the mayhem and destruction that the red shirts caused, where the protesters were far worse. Unfortunately, now the situation and tension is getting worse every day.

And for the people suggesting that this bomb was an inside job by Suthep, grow up, is everything a conspiracy just because it doesn't fit your agenda? This has far damaged his position by deterring protesters than anything else. And, no, I don't think it has anything to do with the Government too. This is a country split into many different fractions, not just red and yellow with the problem you have here is you have two idiots running both sides of the show and no middle ground for either side, just many branches. It's a country well and truly split .

Your logic is somewhat misaligned if you can make a comparison between a national protest against a definitively corrupt and ineffectual government,

And what about your logic of accusing the current government of corruption, when the people they want to replace it with are even more corrupt. You don't find that a bit hypocritical?

You're just making up stuff as you go along. Please explain why a new party instead of the current one are more corrupt?

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If PT win (which of course they will) then they should be the ones running the country, no question. The problem that's happened, the Government abused its position in a huge way. So reforms are needed before an election can come about again. And who's to say they won't try to sneak in the thing that caused all of this (the Amnesty Bill) again. That's what most folks fear, even the ones who hate the protests.

The problem is, who heads the Reforms, PT are obviously not going to agree to something that will put them in a bad light or stop with their agenda. And this is the situation we find ourselves in.

Suthep doesn't help matters with his stupid People's Council idea, demanding that all Shinawatras go (yes they should go so we could be rid of them once and for all, but it's for the people who decide, not you) and avoiding all talks.

The only solution I see which will be best is for a Military led government for a while, while both sides sort out the reforms, then call an election, but even then I cannot see the sides agreeing and will be months and months, or even years of arguing. Just do us all a favour, Thaksin, Yingluck and Suthep, give it up and bugger off all of you.

Am I following you correctly?

PT - NO

People's Council - NO

Military - NO (due to mos./years of arguing)

One further question: Franks and beans?

More or less yeah. I can't see any solution that will make both sides happy. Can you? It's too deep now.

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So, I guess you didn't see all the Thaksin speeches to the Red Shirts during the protests, rallying them on. How is that different to Suthep?

Using violence against a dictatorship? What dictatorship? You saying Abhisit was a dictator?

We still don't know if Suthep or Abhisit ordered the shooting, because you lot wanted it to be avoided through courts with evidence and disappear in Amnesty Bill. Make of that what you will.

The difference is that Thaksin didn't allegedly order anyone killed.

Yes, Thailand was a military dictatorship in 2010. No western government disputes this fact.

Suthep is wanted for allegedly ordering the shootings. So there is probably evidence to convict him. I never wanted it avoided in a court. But I do see the point of giving amnesty to everyone. For good and for bad.

So, if we were under a Military Dictatorship in 2010, as in your words, no Western Government disputes this fact; then, it is a good shout that it wasn't Suthep and Abhisit who ordered the shootings.

Plus, let's face it, life wasn't terrible here in 2010 under this "Military Dictatorship" and in your own words, it's ok and lawful for violence to be against this type of Government. But not ok, the Suthep way?

I can't see any good in the Amnesty Bill, the only good is viewed by the corrupt people who should be facing jail for their crimes.

"I’m here because my duty as caretaker prime minister until new government is elected. Cannot say I just step down. Using vote in election is the best way."

What part of this is so difficult to you yellow supporters? Instead of some weird "reforms", led by a totally crooked politician and postponing of elections.

If the yellows had a believable and fair program for the rural Thais, they are not stupid, and would vote for the yellows but they do not. Instead the only solution for them is voting for the reds whose leaders are about as corrupted as the yellow ones. At least they do SOMETHING for them, instead of total disregard inside Bangkok bubble by the yellow leaders.

The arrogant yellows have nothing but contempt to offer. For them, the rural Thais are subhumans, not really worth of anything.

Have to completely agree with you with regards to how they haven't offered the rural folk any solutions. Though Abhisit's rice pledge at least was paid directly to the farmers and many non PT supporting organisations have to deal with intimidation and threats, the yellows have neglected a valuable source.

Your last line is completely wrong and not founded, they don't treat them like that at all. That's complete red propaganda, "Elite vs poor" rubbish. You only had to walk through the protests this week and see the folk, to see it all wasn't gucci bags and iPhones.

The problem us anti-Thaksin lot have with what YL is saying, that a Democratically led Government needs reforming; the demanding of bills to be changed, whitewashing criminals, scams that could potentially bankrupt the country, putting tax money into their own pockets. That's what needs to be sorted first. Unless, you think it's all ok to do that?

If PT win (which of course they will) then they should be the ones running the country, no question. The problem that's happened, the Government abused its position in a huge way. So reforms are needed before an election can come about again. And who's to say they won't try to sneak in the thing that caused all of this (the Amnesty Bill) again. That's what most folks fear, even the ones who hate the protests.

The problem is, who heads the Reforms, PT are obviously not going to agree to something that will put them in a bad light or stop with their agenda. And this is the situation we find ourselves in.

Suthep doesn't help matters with his stupid People's Council idea, demanding that all Shinawatras go (yes they should go so we could be rid of them once and for all, but it's for the people who decide, not you) and avoiding all talks.

The only solution I see which will be best is for a Military led government for a while, while both sides sort out the reforms, then call an election, but even then I cannot see the sides agreeing and will be months and months, or even years of arguing. Just do us all a favour, Thaksin, Yingluck and Suthep, give it up and bugger off all of you.

I thought she and her family are only interested in "Peace, not Power."

"these criminals hijacking the city" - what about those that burnt down BKK in 2010 - criminals? The peaceful red shirts who burnt down many buildings, threw granades at the army. Lovely folk!

And for once I agree with you, Suthep deserves some prison time for this. But, if you use that logic, so does Thaksin for financing the 2010 protests. As well as his outstanding jail sentence and many other corruption charges, that could be a long period in jail for the old man.

Or to you Thaksin supporters, is Thaksin and his cronies above the law? They can do what they like? All because they got voted in by the majority? And anyone who rocks the boat or who doesn't tow the line, either gets bribed or faces jail?

Is he immune to jail sentences because he just thinks all the charges against him are "politically motivated". Well if that's the case you can say the same thing about Suthep.

Again, using violence against a dictatorship is justified. But using violence and boycotting democratic elections just because you won't win, is not. See the difference?

And how is financing protest illegal you mean? You equate ordering people shot dead with financing protests?

So, I guess you didn't see all the Thaksin speeches to the Red Shirts during the protests, rallying them on. How is that different to Suthep?

Using violence against a dictatorship? What dictatorship? You saying Abhisit was a dictator?

We still don't know if Suthep or Abhisit ordered the shooting, because you lot wanted it to be avoided through courts with evidence and disappear in Amnesty Bill. Make of that what you will.

You're always going to get the pathetic conspiracy theorists coming out after such an event (witness, some people saying that Abhisit was in on the bomb being thrown at his house).

It doesn't make sense for Suthep to try and blow himself up or his fellow protesters, as that will only discourage people to come out.

It doesn't make sense for the core Red Shirts to do it as it will increase the likelihood of a military coup.

So, who does that leave? Probably disgruntled Mafia types who want Suthep and the protesters out the way. Or a third hidden party with ties to the Army, Police, Thaksin or a broken away and independent fraction.

All we can tell now is there are fractions on both sides who probably have their own agenda that don't or may not have ties to the two big players Suthep and Thaksin.

All we can pray for is a solution is found soon, and Suthep and Thaksin disappeared from politics for once and for all. How, that's done, god knows.

The conflict is evolving... The real Bangkok middle class seems fed up with these criminals hijacking the city, the business and revenues of hard working people.

No wonder some of them lose patience and want to send them a message.

Best is for all those yellow losers to go back home and for Suthep to head to the prison

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"these criminals hijacking the city" - what about those that burnt down BKK in 2010 - criminals? The peaceful red shirts who burnt down many buildings, threw granades at the army. Lovely folk!

And for once I agree with you, Suthep deserves some prison time for this. But, if you use that logic, so does Thaksin for financing the 2010 protests. As well as his outstanding jail sentence and many other corruption charges, that could be a long period in jail for the old man.

Or to you Thaksin supporters, is Thaksin and his cronies above the law? They can do what they like? All because they got voted in by the majority? And anyone who rocks the boat or who doesn't tow the line, either gets bribed or faces jail?

Is he immune to jail sentences because he just thinks all the charges against him are "politically motivated". Well if that's the case you can say the same thing about Suthep.

Photos from the Facebook page in the OP:

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First two yes most definitely, third one hmmm doesn't really do it for me.

However, any port in a storm.

very very good threads, today i was thinking about this....

in all the years that i spent in Thailand i never ever(in fact less than once a year) saw a foreigner with a thai wife/gf like those on the picture, yes dont remember i saw a foreigner with a cute good thai girl (by good i mean not a "sexy" bg).... quite depressing in fact!

In a way what you say is very, very true. I think some of these girls may have secret flings with the odd young handsome farang. But any late 30's plus who like to hang around the seedier areas, have zero chance. A lot of these girls are very worried what others think of them, even if they would prefer to try out a farang boyfriend. Things are changing though and if the girl is a bit of a party girl and is out with the girls, and you're young, handsome and charming I'm sure you might get your oats in places like Funky Villa or RCA.

Even though I'm no young chicken, I did have a close friend who would fall into this category (late 20s, looked a lot younger, bubbly, clumsy, intelligent, funny and gorgeous without being stunning) and we often flirted and she did drop hints that she was keen, but it was also very clear there was no way that her friends, family wouldn't accept it, even though she always secretly wanted to have a British boyfriend - she knew how it would affect how she is perceived. She isn't the type to sleep around so no quick flings with me or anyone, so nothing ever came of it unfortunately and now she is with your typical "handsome" Thai man. Definitely one of those regrettable "misses".

You might be interested in borrowing my time machine Mr Hawkman???

If I did, I'd go further back from when I travelled here in 2006 and got friendly with the most ridiculously beautiful thing ever in Koh Samed, holidaying on her own and by the looks of it escaping a problem from home (boyfriend work or something), got chatting to her, asked her to join me for a couple of times for a drink, she said, "maybe/no". Then I made my way out into the night, 2 British girls hassled me to drink a bucket with them. I did, all was going well, then the beautiful thing turned up looking well happy that she found me, wanted that drink. I went to the bar for her, got her, her drink and she was a bit off. I asked if she wanted to move on elsewhere and she said no, got to go, and off she went.

The British girls were gobsmacked how beautiful she was, even themselves saying the most gorgeous thing ever, while I was left confused why she suddenly had been turned off and went. Later on, one of the British girls admitted, that when I had been to the bar, she had told the Thai girl that she was with me and we were an item.

Next morning I saw the Thai girl, and she just brushed me off.

If only I could borrow your time machine, go back and not get speaking to those British girls, what indeed may have happened? Still haunts me now lol.

very very good threads, today i was thinking about this....

in all the years that i spent in Thailand i never ever(in fact less than once a year) saw a foreigner with a thai wife/gf like those on the picture, yes dont remember i saw a foreigner with a cute good thai girl (by good i mean not a "sexy" bg).... quite depressing in fact!

In a way what you say is very, very true. I think some of these girls may have secret flings with the odd young handsome farang. But any late 30's plus who like to hang around the seedier areas, have zero chance. A lot of these girls are very worried what others think of them, even if they would prefer to try out a farang boyfriend. Things are changing though and if the girl is a bit of a party girl and is out with the girls, and you're young, handsome and charming I'm sure you might get your oats in places like Funky Villa or RCA.

Even though I'm no young chicken, I did have a close friend who would fall into this category (late 20s, looked a lot younger, bubbly, clumsy, intelligent, funny and gorgeous without being stunning) and we often flirted and she did drop hints that she was keen, but it was also very clear there was no way that her friends, family wouldn't accept it, even though she always secretly wanted to have a British boyfriend - she knew how it would affect how she is perceived. She isn't the type to sleep around so no quick flings with me or anyone, so nothing ever came of it unfortunately and now she is with your typical "handsome" Thai man. Definitely one of those regrettable "misses".

good advice would be to exercise extreme caution in voicing any outrageous position on this topic

But wernt you voicing an outrageous position on the other thread that the bomb thrown at Abhisit's house was a conspiracy, red flag operation?

Seems like you just don't want any negative views on PT, Thaksin,YL or the Red Shirts posted on here as you want them to be viewed as whiter than white.

I guess you actually believe that the Amnesty bill was about "reconciliation" not about people in power trying to desolve any responsibility for their crimes.

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This is just the start of the violence.

And the yellow shirts will have to remember that they've brought it on themselves.

They are a minority trying to impose unelected rulers that will represent the interests of the Bangkok elite onto the poor majority.

Keep up with the current events. The Yellow shirts brought it on themselves? It was the Government that started this with the Amnesty Bill.

Imagine if the Dems were in charge and they tried to bring in a bill to whitewash their corruptness and avoid all blame for 2010, would the red shirts have protested? dam_n right they would have and rightly so.

The Government got extremely greedy and obsessed with one man, instead of focusing on the people. Hence these problems now. Most people were happy for them to have the power as long as they didn't abuse it, which they did. And don't believe the propaganda the red shirts feed you, this isn't elite vs the poor. Many of the protesters are certainly not elite.

I am sooooooo sick of this!

If you don't bow to the mighty Suthep, you are a Thaksin- supporter!

Don't you ever get bored of this black/white (red/yellow)- rethoric?

Completely agree and true for the other side too. If you are anti the Government, people on here assume you are a Suthep supporter. I think his ideas for a People's Council is a terrible idea, don't like the guy at all; reforms are a great idea but the man needs to make his ideas clear and talk with the Government. I think he missed a good opportunity of not going for the vote as many neutrals had swayed to their side but probably have turned away now. His actions have put off many of the original protesters, who still want Thaksin out of politics but also don't agree with the path this has all now gone.

Likewise - if you agree with the protesters re their anger at the damage, unlawfulness and corruption this Government are doing and how they are focusing on their own pockets and one man instead of the people, then you are somewhat a fascist and anti democracy. The Government went too far, way too far.

People want democracy to work, what they don't want is a Government to put one man and their interests over the people. That isn't democracy. The Government works for you, not the other way round. The bill wasn't about reconciliation it was about power and having the power to do what you want without facing any repercussions. Completely disgusting.

What this country needs is a fair election after reforms and if PTP are rightly voted in that they do their job properly and not cause this mess like they have done and focus on the important things and not act like spoilt children trying to get their own way and line their pockets.

Respect people's vote, just don't abuse it.

Redshirts Meet To Discuss Anti-Coup Campaign

Agenda:

1. Intimidate voters

2. Burn shopping malls

3. Invade hospitals

4. Use children as human shields

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please add as necessary

First of all where are you coming up with all this hype? and second are you actually talking about suthep the murderer?

Where were you here in 2010?

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We have a few mozzies flying around our BKK office and cause me irritation during the day and I noticed a few "tiger mosquitoes" at day or two ago, the ones with black and white stripes, and I believe the worse ones for carrying the fever; but my warnings and suggestions for a pest control to come in were completely ignored with a "the farang over worrying" look and I was the only one who seemed concerned.

Well, I guess we'll just have to wait until if/when someone comes down with something.

All anti-government farangs on this forum know very well that there is more support for this elected government than for Suthep, his yellow thugs, the ever losing Dems, or the "people's council's nonsense thing"... That is why you can witness so much anger from their part.

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Ah good ole Gerry, the only sane Pro-Thaksin fan on here. Where have you been?

Come on buddy, re-read your earlier post about over charging the protesters and the majority of other pro-Thaksin posts on this thread, there's far more anger being brewed up.