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Ah, the contortions begin. I see a sleepless night ahead for the haters of all things Thai and female. Let's see how low this can go.

What a twist!

 

After hearing about this 16 year old conviction, I must wonder if one or even some of the hate posts in these threads are not actually written by that man himself and/or his friends/relatives... he obviously has a connection to Thailand and may well be a regular reader and/or contributor. At least it would bring some sense into the abortion-pushing comments.

 

Come on, man up and tell us the story first-hand!

I can't actually believe that people on Thai Visa are actually denigrating the Thai girl that brought this baby to term and cared for it even though it was not her own. Denigrating her, her religion, her decision to try to make a better life for her own two children by taking money to be a surrogate. Jesus! What is wrong with you people? Don't answer that. I don't want to know what makes certain people so cynical and mean spirited.

On ThaiVisa, she's guilty of the two most heinous crimes:

Being Thai and
Being a woman.

You don't need to follow this topic to learn that 😬

 

I'm happy to read some of the comments here. This is being discussed in German papers as well and 90 percent of the comments are outright disgusting. In fact, not a few comments seem to suggest that euthanasia should be mandatory, and go as far as shaming parents who decided to carry a baby that had a disability diagnosed in utero.

Now I see these comments reflected in an international community. I'm happy because it's not just us Germans who are heartless, cruel and despicable creatures. It's everybody, and I suggest here that "everybody" is a male.

Who else would be so casually asking for an abortion?

Consider this:

Is abortion in Thailand legal for this case?
Is it always safe for the mother?
Can you abort only one of two twins?
How would an illegal abortion clinic deal with complications?
Should healthy baby girls be aborted if the contract stipulates "boy only"?
If the buyers change their minds (also death or divorce), should baby be aborted?
Why this hate for women?
Why this hate for Thais?
Why this hate for innocent life?

Humans are altruistic by nature, so you, sirs, are abominations.

 

Abortion is illegal but very common....almost openly promoted at some clinics

Made thousands of times per year...yes safe

Not sure if you can abort 1 safely, but you can abort both and start new

It is not about healthy baby girls, at 3 month it is about some clusters of cells not about babies.

 

It is pretty shocking to read something like that:
"They told me to have an abortion but I didn't agree because I am afraid of sinning," Pattaramon said, referring to her Buddhist beliefs."

 

There is no invisible friend who is judging you. But there is not this poor baby which will have a sad life. Specially think what happens if the mother dies.

Thinking for the living people and not about the phantasies of some lazy male monks. Punishment for sins anyway doesn't fit well with Buddhism, it is more a Christian concept.

 

But it doesn't really matter whether there is "an invisible friend" or not. As a Buddhist, this concept doesn't even apply here for her. If anything then she's concerned about her next reincarnation status. Also I don't think that this woman has any concept of embryonic stages, in her mind after 3 months there was probably a fully formed child inside her. Anyway, what matters is what she believes, whether true or not.

 

(PS: My girlfriend had a miscarriage after 2-something months, I can assure you that there's more than just "a cluster of cells", even though at that stage there's nothing remotely human in it...)

 

Pattaramon's mother, Pichaya Nathonchai, 53. . . 

 

Isn't 53 a little late in life to be any kind of mother? All parties concerned must have been pretty desperate.  Moralising apart, one cannot help but feel for the emotional hell they must all be going through. One can only hope little Gammy survives to receive all the love and joy he deserves.

 

As I read the story Pichaya Nathonchai, 53 is actually the mother of the surrogate mother and the grandmother of the baby boy  Gammy.

 

Thanks for clarifying this. I'm certain little Gammy will achieve higher reading & comprehension scores than a few of the commentators here. Not to mention a kinder and more considerate human being.

moral of the story... the aussi parents asked to do an abortion... she did not ... so who is to blame ?

Nobody asked your mother for an abortion? I blame that person.

I'm happy to read some of the comments here. This is being discussed in German papers as well and 90 percent of the comments are outright disgusting. In fact, not a few comments seem to suggest that euthanasia should be mandatory, and go as far as shaming parents who decided to carry a baby that had a disability diagnosed in utero.

Now I see these comments reflected in an international community. I'm happy because it's not just us Germans who are heartless, cruel and despicable creatures. It's everybody, and I suggest here that "everybody" is a male.

Who else would be so casually asking for an abortion?

Consider this:

Is abortion in Thailand legal for this case?
Is it always safe for the mother?
Can you abort only one of two twins?
How would an illegal abortion clinic deal with complications?
Should healthy baby girls be aborted if the contract stipulates "boy only"?
If the buyers change their minds (also death or divorce), should baby be aborted?
Why this hate for women?
Why this hate for Thais?
Why this hate for innocent life?

Humans are altruistic by nature, so you, sirs, are abominations.

If they have evidence of espionage, how about putting him in prison?

Surely that would be a much bigger embarrassment to the US.

I mean.... Surely the US would hand down a huge prison sentence to a German for the same offence.

In German news, the "official" is actually the head of CIA in Germany - I guess equivalent to the ambassador of a country. The person going to jail is someone else entirely, a German national working for the German secret service BND.

No taxes? She received the car etc. as an employment benefit.

Most companies have rules that employees can't accept gifts from customers over a certain, usually very low, value. So this must be considered a bribe (immediate dismissal) as well as a taxable benefit.

The shit people get away with because it's religion... :-(

Good news for kids who "roleplay" shooting up their school...

It doesn't need this to expose Buddhism as the same sham that all other types of religion are. This version of elitist mind robbery got discarded by me as a serious alternative decades ago when I learnt about how it, too, regards the 50 percent of humans who are not male. Take any religion and subtract the Golden Rule and you're left with a negative balance for that reason alone.

We need more like her, not less.

If you don't care much about the order of the songs and what artist/title is playing (say, you love Jazz in general but are adventurous enough to listen to lesser known artists or lesser known titles by famous artists), I would recommend to rip audio streams from web radio services such as Shoutcast (there are many more). It's not limited to Jazz, there are usually dozens of styles or eras on hundreds of channels. The quality varies from very sketchy 32kbps to quite acceptable 128kbps and even 256 kbps.

But I can tell you that if you're wondering how to get or make an MP3, you'll have a much harder time ripping an audio stream. And worse, this is done in real time so that 300 minutes of music will take you 300 minutes in real time, and there are no gaps - basically like listening to a real radio program.

Is it legal? Probably as much as making a recording of a show on real radio,

It takes 4 people to dig a hole, only one is actually working. One is the engineer/supervisor. So 50% of employed people don't work. Should be higher on the country.

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Love the article: "a bill worth Bt596,398". So does that mean that she could sell the bill for this amount? Or hold it and wait for its worth to further appreciate?

I love the copy-paste English phases here. Something "is valued at" when actually it's "priced at". A bill has "worth" although it's just a statement of an amount.

And I am sure if you were to write a newspaper article in Thai it would be grammatically perfect.

I don't see that as a valid argument in any discussion, but if I were to write for a leading Thai newspaper I'd make damn sure that I get the writing right.

Love the article: "a bill worth Bt596,398". So does that mean that she could sell the bill for this amount? Or hold it and wait for its worth to further appreciate?

I love the copy-paste English phases here. Something "is valued at" when actually it's "priced at". A bill has "worth" although it's just a statement of an amount.

when she defaults AIS sell the bill to the debt collector it will be worth something for her to clear up the mess before her knee caps are broken.

But the bill itself does not have this worth, it's a piece of paper. If you lose it you can get a new one for free; try that with 600,000 Baht of real money.

Love the article: "a bill worth Bt596,398". So does that mean that she could sell the bill for this amount? Or hold it and wait for its worth to further appreciate?

I love the copy-paste English phases here. Something "is valued at" when actually it's "priced at". A bill has "worth" although it's just a statement of an amount.

Can you imagine what kind of money Naver (Line) is making?

Just THB 800,000 by 2 people in one month....and what about all the other users............

Why ain't I that creative?

They're abusing people with a gaming addiction and children. Those of my friends who play games such as "Candy Crush" told me that they've never bought any game items for real money. If the publisher's business model would be "many small purchases by a large number of people" then they would have set daily spending limits on game items. By not doing that they pretty much admit that they are targeting vulnerable people (addicts) and people who can't properly oversee the consequences (children).

The reason why you (joepattaya) never got this idea is probably because you're a good person and not scum. Don't feel bad about it.

A phone is for calling

My Nokia from 600 THB can do that

Despite what the name says, a "smartphone" is not "a phone with a big screen and apps" but a tiny computer with additional functions such as telephony and photography. It is also a communication device beyond the domain of voice. WiFi tablets are the same thing minus the telephony function (which can be added via service apps such as Skype). From observation I would say that very little time is dedicated by smartphone users to voice communication, it's mostly games, games and then more games, followed by Facebook time and chatting on "Line" or "Whatsapp". Which in turn makes the term "smart" phone more than a little bit ironic. The only smart people here are the hardware and app developers.

And if you look at this from a weird angle, you basically paid 600 Baht for a functionality that smartphones provide for free.

I hope they pronounced it "pyoonish". It sounds just so much more evil!

So the military government is applying populist measures and everybody sees this as proof for their benevolence and justification for the takeover? Why is good government suddenly measured by the easy and likable things that please everyone instead of the hard and necessary measures that need to be take but will always be unpopular with most of the people? Are good parents measured by the amount of candy they let their children eat? What will the Thais say when tax payments are fully enforced, when full prices have to be paid for original goods, when closing times are strictly enforced? Just ask the people in Singapore (I guess most of them are not even too unhappy).

Instead of watching the taxi prices, better observe how the military continues to deal with issues such as the three finger salute (two fingers too many but one is polite in these latitudes).

All of this may still turn out beneficial for the country as a whole, but I want to see the military government tackle the real issues - including those that are caused by powers that support the military (or are supported by them).

Turkey, Syria, Iran and a few more... why don't the neighbouring countries get involved at least once in a while? Muslim-on-muslim violence is a daily business and won't elicit anti-American/anti-Western reactions that would feed the flames more. The Rwanda issue was also largely "resolved" by central African troops from neighbouring countries. The West and East both have sent plenty of weaponry to the region, is it too much to ask our allies and enemies to use them on each other when the time is right?

I really hope the US and Iran will agree on a non-interference pact that'll leave local powers free reins to get their mess sorted out (with securities for Israel but I needn't say that).

This is absolutely useless without stating whether the voter has employment or not. And then, whether housing, transport is paid by employer or not. My boss had housing allowance that exceeded my monthly spending budget and was close to half my salary. I know a man with family (3 boys over 10) who got almost 200k Euros (!) annually for house, school fees and transport. And then, he got a salary, too. So, how much does one spend as an expat?

To be clear, for me an expat is defined as a person employed by an overseas company (main contract there), sent to work in Thailand for a limited period. Everyone else is a retiree, a migrant, a resident, a long term tourist or plainly a foreigner, perhaps seeking a job or just drifting.

That said, in my golden years (history now) I lived for a decade off 100k Baht in a small, modern apartment building near Sathorn and that much (or little) was more than I needed from 1995-2005. I guess it's a bit more now, but certainly not much. I'd say 60-80k would still make for a comfortable life in Bangkok. No need for envy, my savings got crushed during the crisis and I'm in Korea now, where I spend a lot more for a lot less.

Looking forward to see anything meaningful from a poll that mixes Isaan retirees with Silom money sharks in their 20s :-P