Head Snake

I know I shouldn't be posting about them. I don't want this thread locked. I just couldn't resist. hehe

4-11. How tall are the Bee Gees?

A. I was surprised to discover how hard it's been to get an

answer to this one! Even the "official" reports have changed

over the years, and differ substantially from guesses hazarded by

fans who have met them and posed for photos with them. I was

hopeful that the Official Bee Gees Web Experience would settle

the matter once and for all, but now I see that they use the very

same estimates that I've always been using. Good heavens,

doesn't SOMEBODY have a tape measure over there? Anyway, fans

estimates have been as follows:

Barry: between 5' 10" and 6' 1"

Robin: between 5' 8" and 5' 11"

Maurice: between 5' 6" and 5' 9"

Further, it is interesting to note that the Official Bee

Gees Web Experience lists Andy as having been between 5' 7" and

5' 9" in height.

bkkmadness, if you do make an alternative, I'd like to check it out.

I can understand your opinion and also the mods opinion. being a moderator is a thankless job - real tough.

But I had been called a troll on my initial post way back when even though I was just seeking advice. that is why I only lurked here for a long time before posting again.

The closing of bg lapse into craziness was a little weird and highhanded. To me the bg threads were fairly amusing, if not for bg content, but the way some persons really felt irritated by information on "fun, pub, expat life". Isn't what that forum was about?

just opinions from somebody who'd rather sanuk and kreng chai

From The Cult, Wild Flower

Hey you

You're a wild honey child

I'm out of control

Every time you are near me

I'm a wolf child, baby

And I'm howlin' for you

My heart beats faster, hrrrr

Hey hey, and it's overpowered, wow

I'm a wolf child, girl

Howlin' for you

Wild flower

Star of my dreams

The most beautiful thing, yeah

Yeah you

Sweet sensation of a nation

Oh, my soul

You're a perfect creation

You're an angel, baby

And I'm cryin' for you

My heart beats faster, hrrrr

Yea hey, and I'm overpowered

I'm a wolf child, girl

Howlin' for you

Wild flower

Star of my dreams

The most beautiful thing

Wild flower

I love you every hour

Wild flower

Burning down the night

Set the world alight, yeah

Wild flower

I'm a wolf child, girl

Howlin' for you

Wild flower

You're the star of my dreams

Most beautiful thing

Wild flower

I love you every hour

Wild flower

I love you every hour

Crazy 'bout you, yeah

Crazy 'bout you, girl

Crazy 'bout you, yeah

Crazy 'bout

Crazy 'bout you, yeah

This song reminded me of my college gf. Now, I can apply it to bgs.

Don't Run Wild as written and recorded by The Del Fuegos

>From the album: Boston Mass.

If you have never heard this song, you won't understand how good this

really is even though it is incredibly simplistic. However, I am very

dissapointed that OLGA has no other Del Fuego's posts, so I am fixing

that.

The trick to getting main riff of this song is playing an F# barre chord

and alternating playing the low E string open and in the 2nd positon.

Quite simple actually!!

Chords:

Verse:

F# B F# E

F# B F# G# B

Pre chorus:

B F# B F# B F# B C#

Chorus:

B C# B C# F# C#

Verse:

Oh baby whats goin' on

you don't laugh on the phone like you used to

Have I been gone too long

Where's the love that I've gotten used to

Pre chorus:

All the good times we had

seems my dream might take awhile

so baby don't you run

don't run wild

Verse:

Trees fly by in a far away car

Wonderin' when I'll see you again

The TV's on the sound is turned down

All the letters that I tried to send

Pre chorus:

All the good times we had

seems my dream might take awhile

so baby don't you run

don't run wild

Chorus:

Don't run wild,

Don't run wild,

Don't run wild,

Don't leave me child

Solo (over verse chords):

-2-2-2-2-|-22-00 | etc.. --

-2-2-2-2-|-22-00 |-

---------|-------|-

---------|-------|-

---------|-------|-

---------|-------|-

End with a nifty Low E string pick slide!!!

Chorus:

Don't run wild,

Don't run wild,

Don't run wild,

Don't leave me child

Repeat Repeat etc...

What does it take to bag a "normal" girl?

Too much time. Too much uncertainty. lies? getting to know the person. Letting the other find out your faults. getting "trained" - whipped. blah blah blah and then the breakup.

or get married then divorce, then give all your money away.

or.

Have a beer, look around, find one you like, get a nice smile, good laugh and probly shagadelic night. In the morning, wish her well, smile and send her off

hmmmm. Pretty easy choice really.

Thanks for the story.

Ya know.... I've had to say good bye to a number of good/great women. Sometimes they come back and somehow stay a part of your life. Others disappear.

But there has eventually been good times around the corner even in depressing times.

I say 5 days and your going to have another story with a new girl.

Some people had compared women from other countries. Maybe in that other thread referenced earlier. Here's my $ .02.

Chinese women - beautiful and very naive about the ways of holding a man. No Chinese woman has ever asked for "extra money" to be sent. They have same way of treating a man good. Its just that they don't do "followup" or "try to close the deal"

Indonesia women - wow!! the best kept secret. If you are wondering where the smiles went in LOS, they went to Indonesia. The smiles in Indonesia blow Thailand away, IMHO (sorry in advance to anybody who is offended). I've seen both. Yes, there are same stories of sick family, accidents, etc. however, so many ayam kampung there is no need to get hung up on just one.

I'm looking forward to visiting VietNam

BTW, Thanks Kayo for the story

Am I just being selfish?? Scamp, are you able to post Ning's responses?

I agree with IamMaiC. It'd be nice to have THEIR opinion - a good balance of:

the black hearts,

the jai dee,

the ones who enjoy their work,

the ones that do not,

the ones that don't like farang,

and the ones that do (to whatever extent)

I still find the subjects interesting and a part of life.

There are people in lurkdom on this board that also look to understand the BGs and their customers.

Who wants to pitch in to get some of these girls to a internet site for a scheduled 2 hour board interview?? What am I talking about??

Yes Kayo, I am interested in hearing more too.

There are some interesting stories on this board.

It'd be great to open a open mike coffee shop where instead of reading poetry, people could talk about their thai experiences. Someplace where you can throw scones and croissants at people if need be.

back on topic: beautiful to look at, great sense of humor, but, when they are out of sight, who knows.

Still, less maintenance compared to western ladies.

I once lived with 2 girls when I was in my 20s ahhhhhhh.........

oops... back to the thread.

Anyway, they gave me dating tricks that worked. One of them was to make the girl/woman hate you. Their theory: women don't know the difference between the fine line of hate and love. So long that you are in their head, they can confuse hate with love. Reference: movies with the same theme.

So I tried this on some bartender girl I had my eye on. She drove a brown Z. I asked her if that was her car outside. SHe smiled and said yes. I looked outside and said" That must look like a big brown turd rolling down the road". She was appalled. She didn't say much to me afterwards.

A week later, I apologized and asked her out. We had a good time.

?

Only Americans wear shoes past the doorstep. The rest 5.7 billion people in the world are more civilized...

I'm american and am learning that it does make sense to leave the shoes at the door.

However, I just noted that I am the only person on my floor with a doormat. I use that to wipe my shoes before I enter.

Also, americans leave shoes at the entrance if wet or with snow on them. So we do have a version of this.

So maybe we just do things differently.

Hmmmm.... maybe that's why I never get my fedexs. Maybe the guy sees no shoes at the door and assumes nobody is home.

Smelly shoes in bed??? What kind of guys do you hang out with.

I suppose if I wanted to jump on the bed without turning an ankle, I'd wear shoes to bed.

I don't know what the ###### you guys are talking about (cistern and tessaban) but I'm laughing.

Good luck Penzman.

My gf wants to get aircon and water heater installed in her house. i'm thinking I'll just pay some guy to do it.

This article is a fairly long informal report on coconut oil. I found a source of coconut oil and am noticing some same affects as mentioned in the 2nd to last paragraph of this epic novel.

Begin report:

I have already discussed the many toxic effects of the unsaturated oils, and I have frequently mentioned that coconut oil doesn't have those toxic effects, though it does contain a small amount of the unsaturated oils. Many people have asked me to write something on coconut oil. I thought I might write a small book on it, but I realize that there are no suitable channels for distributing such a book--if the seed-oil industry can eliminate major corporate food products that have used coconut oil for a hundred years, they certainly have the power to prevent dealers from selling a book that would affect their market more seriously. For the present, I will just outline some of the virtues of coconut oil.

The unsaturated oils in some cooked foods become rancid in just a few hours, even at refrigerator temperatures, and are responsible for the stale taste of left-over foods. (Eating slightly stale food isn't particularly harmful, since the same oils, even when eaten absolutely fresh, will oxidize at a much higher rate once they are in the body, where they are heated and thoroughly mixed with an abundance of oxygen.) Coconut oil that has been kept at room temperature for a year has been tested for rancidity, and showed no evidence of it. Since we would expect the small percentage of unsaturated oils naturally contained in coconut oil to become rancid, it seems that the other (saturated) oils have an antioxidative effect: I suspect that the dilution keeps the unstable unsaturated fat molecules spatially separated from each other, so they can't interact in the destructive chain reactions that occur in other oils. To interrupt chain-reactions of oxidation is one of the functions of antioxidants, and it is possible that a sufficient quantity of coconut oil in the body has this function. It is well established that dietary coconut oil reduces our need for vitamin E, but I think its antioxidant role is more general than that, and that it has both direct and indirect antioxidant activities.

Coconut oil is unusually rich in short and medium chain fatty acids. Shorter chain length allows fatty acids to be metabolized without use of the carnitine transport system. Mildronate, which I discussed in an article on adaptogens, protects cells against stress partly by opposing the action of carnitine, and comparative studies showed that added carnitine had the opposite effect, promoting the oxidation of unsaturated fats during stress, and increasing oxidative damage to cells. I suspect that a degree of saturation of the oxidative apparatus by short-chain fatty acids has a similar effect--that is, that these very soluble and mobile short-chain saturated fats have priority for oxidation, because they don't require carnitine transport into the mitochondrion, and that this will tend to inhibit oxidation of the unstable, peroxidizable unsaturated fatty acids.

When Albert Schweitzer operated his clinic in tropical Africa, he said it was many years before he saw any cases of cancer, and he believed that the appearance of cancer was caused by the change to the European type of diet. In the l920s, German researchers showed that mice on a fat-free diet were practically free of cancer. Since then, many studies have demonstrated a very close association between consumption of unsaturated oils and the incidence of cancer.

Heart damage is easily produced in animals by feeding them linoleic acid; this "essential" fatty acid turned out to be the heart toxin in rape-seed oil. The addition of saturated fat to the experimental heart-toxic oil-rich diet protects against the damage to heart cells.

Immunosuppression was observed in patients who were being "nourished" by intravenous emulsions of "essential fatty acids," and as a result coconut oil is used as the basis for intravenous fat feeding, except in organ-transplant patients. For those patients, emulsions of unsaturated oils are used specifically for their immunosuppressive effects.

General aging, and especially aging of the brain, is increasingly seen as being closely associated with lipid peroxidation.

Several years ago I met an old couple, who were only a few years apart in age, but the wife looked many years younger than her doddering old husband. She was from the Philippines, and she remarked that she always had to cook two meals at the same time, because her husband couldn't adapt to her traditional food. Three times every day, she still prepared her food in coconut oil. Her apparent youth increased my interest in the effects of coconut oil.

In the l960s, Hartroft and Porta gave an elegant argument for decreasing the ratio of unsaturated oil to saturated oil in the diet (and thus in the tissues). They showed that the "age pigment" is produced in proportion to the ratio of oxidants to antioxidants, multiplied by the ratio of unsaturated oils to saturated oils. More recently, a variety of studies have demonstrated that ultraviolet light induces peroxidation in unsaturated fats, but not saturated fats, and that this occurs in the skin as well as in vitro. Rabbit experiments, and studies of humans, showed that the amount of unsaturated oil in the diet strongly affects the rate at which aged, wrinkled skin develops. The unsaturated fat in the skin is a major target for the aging and carcinogenic effects of ultraviolet light, though not necessarily the only one.

In the l940s, farmers attempted to use cheap coconut oil for fattening their animals, but they found that it made them lean, active and hungry. For a few years, an antithyroid drug was found to make the livestock get fat while eating less food, but then it was found to be a strong carcinogen, and it also probably produced hypothyroidism in the people who ate the meat. By the late l940s, it was found that the same antithyroid effect, causing animals to get fat without eating much food, could be achieved by using soy beans and corn as feed.

Later, an animal experiment fed diets that were low or high in total fat, and in different groups the fat was provided by pure coconut oil, or a pure unsaturated oil, or by various mixtures of the two oils. At the end of their lives, the animals' obesity increased directly in proportion to the ratio of unsaturated oil to coconut oil in their diet, and was not related to the total amount of fat they had consumed. That is, animals which ate just a little pure unsaturated oil were fat, and animals which ate a lot of coconut oil were lean.

In the l930s, animals on a diet lacking the unsaturated fatty acids were found to be "hypermetabolic." Eating a "normal" diet, these animals were malnourished, and their skin condition was said to be caused by a "deficiency of essential fatty acids." But other researchers who were studying vitamin B6 recognized the condition as a deficiency of that vitamin. They were able to cause the condition by feeding a fat-free diet, and to cure the condition by feeding a single B vitamin. The hypermetabolic animals simply needed a better diet than the "normal," fat-fed, cancer-prone animals did.

G. W. Crile and his wife found that the metabolic rate of people in Yucatan, where coconut is a staple food, averaged 25% higher than that of people in the United States. In a hot climate, the adaptive tendency is to have a lower metabolic rate, so it is clear that some factor is more than offsetting this expected effect of high environmental temperatures. The people there are lean, and recently it has been observed that the women there have none of the symptoms we commonly associate with the menopause.

By l950, then, it was established that unsaturated fats suppress the metabolic rate, apparently creating hypothyroidism. Over the next few decades, the exact mechanisms of that metabolic damage were studied. Unsaturated fats damage the mitochondria, partly by suppressing the repiratory enzyme, and partly by causing generalized oxidative damage. The more unsaturated the oils are, the more specifically they suppress tissue response to thyroid hormone, and transport of the hormone on the thyroid transport protein.

Plants evolved a variety of toxins designed to protect themselves from "predators," such as grazing animals. Seeds contain a variety of toxins, that seem to be specific for mammalian enzymes, and the seed oils themselves function to block proteolytic digestive enzymes in the stomach. The thyroid hormone is formed in the gland by the action of a proteolytic enzyme, and the unsaturated oils also inhibit that enzyme. Similar proteolytic enzymes involved in clot removal and phagocytosis appear to be similarly inhibited by these oils.

Just as metabolism is "activated" by consumption of coconut oil, which prevents the inhibiting effect of unsaturated oils, other inhibited processes, such as clot removal and phagocytosis, will probably tend to be restored by continuing use of coconut oil.

Brain tissue is very rich in complex forms of fats. The experiment (around 1978) in which pregnant mice were given diets containing either coconut oil or unsaturated oil showed that brain development was superior in the young mice whose mothers ate coconut oil. Because coconut oil supports thyroid function, and thyroid governs brain development, including myelination, the result might simply reflect the difference between normal and hypothyroid individuals. However, in 1980, experimenters demonstrated that young rats fed milk containing soy oil incorporated the oil directly into their brain cells, and had structurally abnormal brain cells as a result.

Lipid peroxidation occurs during seizures, and antioxidants such as vitamin E have some anti-seizure activity. Currently, lipid peroxidation is being found to be involved in the nerve cell degeneration of Alzheimer's disease.

Various fractions of coconut oil are coming into use as "drugs," meaning that they are advertised as treatments for diseases. Butyric acid is used to treat cancer, lauric and myristic acids to treat virus infections, and mixtures of medium-chain fats are sold for weight loss. Purification undoubtedly increases certain effects, and results in profitable products, but in the absence of more precise knowledge, I think the whole natural product, used as a regular food, is the best way to protect health. The shorter-chain fatty acids have strong, unpleasant odors; for a couple of days after I ate a small amount of a medium-chain triglyceride mixture, my skin oil emitted a rank, goaty smell. Some people don't seem to have that reaction, and the benefits might outweigh the stink, but these things just haven't been in use long enough to know whether they are safe.

We have to remember that the arguments made for aspartame, monosodium glutamate, aspartic acid, and tryptophan--that they are like the amino acids that make up natural proteins--are dangerously false. In the case of amino acids, balance is everything. Aspartic and glutamic acids promote seizures and cause brain damage, and are intimately involved in the process of stress-induced brain aging, and tryptophan by itself is carcinogenic. Treating any complex natural product as the drug industry does, as a raw material to be fractionated in the search for "drug" products, is risky, because the relevant knowledge isn't sought in the search for an association between a single chemical and a single disease.

While the toxic unsaturated paint-stock oils, especially safflower, soy, corn and linseed (flaxseed) oils, have been sold to the public precisely for their drug effects, all of their claimed benefits were false. When people become interested in coconut oil as a "health food," the huge seed-oil industry--operating through their shills--are going to attack it as an "unproved drug."

While components of coconut oil have been found to have remarkable physiological effects (as antihistamines, antiinfectives/antiseptics, promoters of immunity, glucocorticoid antagonist, nontoxic anticancer agents, for example), I think it is important to avoid making any such claims for the natural coconut oil, because it very easily could be banned from the import market as a "new drug" which isn't "approved by the FDA." We have already seen how money and propaganda from the soy oil industry eliminated long-established products from the U.S. market. I saw people lose weight stably when they had the habit of eating large amounts of tortilla chips fried in coconut oil, but those chips disappeared when their producers were pressured into switching to other oils, in spite of the short shelf life that resulted in the need to add large amounts of preservatives. Oreo cookies, Ritz crackers, potato chip producers, and movie theater popcorn makers have experienced similar pressures.

The cholesterol-lowering fiasco for a long time centered on the ability of unsaturated oils to slightly lower serum cholesterol. For years, the mechanism of that action wasn't known, which should have suggested caution. Now, it seems that the effect is just one more toxic action, in which the liver defensively retains its cholesterol, rather than releasing it into the blood. Large scale human studies have provided overwhelming evidence that whenever drugs, including the unsaturated oils, were used to lower serum cholesterol, mortality increased, from a variety of causes including accidents, but mainly from cancer.

Since the l930s, it has been clearly established that suppression of the thyroid raises serum cholesterol (while increasing mortality from infections, cancer, and heart disease), while restoring the thyroid hormone brings cholesterol down to normal. In this situation, however, thyroid isn't suppressing the synthesis of cholesterol, but rather is promoting its use to form hormones and bile salts. When the thyroid is functioning properly, the amount of cholesterol in the blood entering the ovary governs the amount of progesterone being produced by the ovary, and the same situation exists in all steroid-forming tissues, such as the adrenal glands and the brain. Progesterone and its precursor, pregnenolone, have a generalized protective function: antioxidant, anti-seizure, antitoxin, anti-spasm, anti-clot, anti-cancer, pro-memory, pro-myelination, pro-attention, etc. Any interference with the formation of cholesterol will interfere with all of these exceedingly important protective functions.

As far as the evidence goes, it suggests that coconut oil, added regularly to a balanced diet, lowers cholesterol to normal by promoting its conversion into pregnenolone. (The coconut family contains steroids that resemble pregnenolone, but these are probably mostly removed when the fresh oil is washed with water to remove the enzymes which would digest the oil.) Coconut-eating cultures in the tropics have consistently lower cholesterol than people in the U.S. Everyone that I know who uses coconut oil regularly happens to have cholesterol levels of about 160, while eating mainly cholesterol rich foods (eggs, milk, cheese, meat, shellfish). I encourage people to eat sweet fruits, rather than starches, if they want to increase their production of cholesterol, since fructose has that effect.

Many people see coconut oil in its hard, white state, and--as a result of their training watching television or going to medical school--associate it with the cholesterol-rich plaques in blood vessels. Those lesions in blood vessels are caused mostly by lipid peroxidation of unsaturated fats, and relate to stress, because adrenaline liberates fats from storage, and the lining of blood vessels is exposed to high concentrations of the blood-borne material. In the body, incidentally, the oil can't exist as a solid, since it liquefies at 76 degrees. (Incidentally, the viscosity of complex materials isn't a simple matter of averaging the viscosity of its component materials; cholesterol and saturated fats sometimes lower the viscosity of cell components.)

Most of the images and metaphors relating to coconut oil and cholesterol that circulate in our culture are false and misleading. I offer a counter-image, which is metaphorical, but it is true in that it relates to lipid peroxidation, which is profoundly important in our bodies. After a bottle of safflower oil has been opened a few times, a few drops that get smeared onto the outside of the bottle begin to get very sticky, and hard to wash off. This property is why it is a valued base for paints and varnishes, but this varnish is chemically closely related to the age pigment that forms "liver spots" on the skin, and similar lesions in the brain, heart, blood vessels, lenses of the eyes, etc. The image of "hard, white saturated coconut oil" isn't relevant to the oil's biological action, but the image of "sticky varnish-like easily oxidized unsaturated seed oils" is highly relevant to their toxicity.

The ability of some of the medium chain saturated fatty acids to inhibit the liver's formation of fat very likely synergizes with the pro-thyroid effect, in allowing energy to be used, rather than stored. When fat isn't formed from carbohydrate, the sugar is available for use, or for storage as glycogen. Therefore, shifting from unsaturated fats in foods to coconut oil involves several anti-stress processes, reducing our need for the adrenal hormones. Decreased blood sugar is a basic signal for the release of adrenal hormones. Unsaturated oil tends to lower the blood sugar in at least three basic ways. It damages mitochondria, causing respiration to be uncoupled from energy production, meaning that fuel is burned without useful effect. It suppresses the activity of the respiratory enzyme (directly, and through its anti-thyroid actions), decreasing the respiratory production of energy. And it tends to direct carbohydrate into fat production, making both stress and obesity more probable. For those of us who use coconut oil consistently, one of the most noticeable changes is the ability to go for several hours without eating, and to feel hungry without having symptoms of hypoglycemia.

One of the stylish ways to promote the use of unsaturated oils is to refer to their presence in "cell membranes," and to claim that they are essential for maintaining "membrane fluidity." As I have mentioned above, it is the ability of the unsaturated fats, and their breakdown products, to interfere with enzymes and transport proteins, which accounts for many of their toxic effects, so they definitely don't just harmlessly form "membranes." They probably bind to all proteins, and disrupt some of them, but for some reason their affinity for proteolytic and respiration-related enzymes is particularly obvious. (I think the chemistry of this association is going to give us some important insights into the nature of organisms.

Metchnikof's model that I have discussed elsewhere might give us a picture of how those factors relate in growth, physiology, and aging.) Unsaturated fats are slightly more water-soluble than fully saturated fats, and so they do have a greater tendency to concentrate at interfaces between water and fats or proteins, but there are relatively few places where these interfaces can be usefully and harmlessly occupied by unsaturated fats, and at a certain point, an excess becomes harmful. We don't want "membranes" forming where there shouldn't be membranes. The fluidity or viscosity of cell surfaces is an extremely complex subject, and the degree of viscosity has to be appropriate for the function of the cell. Interestingly, in some cells, such as the cells that line the air sacs of the lungs, cholesterol and one of the saturated fatty acids found in coconut oil can increase the fluidity of the cell surface.

In many cases, stressful conditions create structural disorder in cells. These influences have been called "chaotropic," or chaos-producing. In red blood cells, which have sometimes been wrongly described as "hemoglobin enclosed in a cell membrane," it has been known for a long time that lipid peroxidation of unsaturated fats weakens the cellular structure, causing the cells to be destroyed prematurely. Lipid peroxidation products are known to be "chaotropic," lowering the rigidity of regions of cells considered to be membranes. But the red blood cell is actually more like a sponge in structure, consisting of a "skeleton" of proteins, which (if not damaged by oxidation) can hold its shape, even when the hemoglobin has been removed. Oxidants damage the protein structure, and it is this structural damage which in turn increases the "fluidity" of the associated fats.

So, it is probably true that in many cases the liquid unsaturated oils do increase "membrane fluidity," but it is now clear that in at least some of those cases the "fluidity" corresponds to the chaos of a damaged cell protein structure. (N. V. Gorbunov, "Effect of structural modification of membrane proteins on lipid-protein interactions in the human erythrocyte membrane," Bull. Exp. Biol. & Med. 116(11), 1364-67. 1993.

Although I had stopped using the unsaturated seed oils years ago, and supposed that I wasn't heavily saturated with toxic unsaturated fat, when I first used coconut oil I saw an immediate response, that convinced me my metabolism was chronically inhibited by something that was easily alleviated by "dilution" or molecular competition. I had put a tablespoonful of coconut oil on some rice I had for supper, and half an hour later while I was reading, I noticed I was breathing more deeply than normal. I saw that my skin was pink, and I found that my pulse was faster than normal--about 98, I think. After an hour or two, my pulse and breathing returned to normal. Every day for a couple of weeks I noticed the same response while I was digesting a small amount of coconut oil, but gradually it didn't happen any more, and I increased my daily consumption of the oil to about an ounce. I kept eating the same foods as before (including a quart of ice cream every day), except that I added about 200 or 250 calories per day as coconut oil. Apparently the metabolic surges that happened at first were an indication that my body was compensating for an anti-thyroid substance by producing more thyroid hormone; when the coconut oil relieved the inhibition, I experienced a moment of slight hyperthyroidism, but after a time the inhibitor became less effective, and my body adjusted by producing slightly less thyroid hormone. But over the next few months, I saw that my weight was slowly and consistently decreasing. It had been steady at 185 pounds for 25 years, but over a period of six months it dropped to about 175 pounds. I found that eating more coconut oil lowered my weight another few pounds, and eating less caused it to increase.

The anti-obesity effect of coconut oil is clear in all of the animal studies, and in my friends who eat it regularly. It is now hard to get it in health food stores, since Hain stopped selling it. The Spectrum product looks and feels a little different to me, and I suppose the particular type of tree, region, and method of preparation can account for variations in the consistency and composition of the product. The unmodified natural oil is called "76 degree melt," since that is its natural melting temperature. One bottle from a health food store was labeled "natural coconut oil, 92% unsaturated oil," and it had the greasy consistency of old lard. I suspect that someone had confused palm oil (or something worse) with coconut oil, because it should be about 96% saturated fatty acids.

Copyright 1996 Raymond Peat

Well.. some of my options aren't on there.

I look for the girl that purposefully gets the pole in front of me and smiles at me in between peeks at the mirror.

The girl that comes sits by me catches my eye.

The girl that comes and serves me drinks catches my eyes. When she tries to give most of my change back as small coins thinking I'll leave that as a tip, she gets my stinkeye for a second then a smile so she knows I know the game.

oh.. my mate. She always catches my eye. I cannot take my eyes off her. Even in bed together, I stalk her. Why? Beautiful eyes, face and long hair (down to her bum). SHe's always making me laugh. I love the way she talks and the stories she tells.

So I'm gonna have to vote face and personality.

GS, Yes, I'd like to hear more from Ning. We need to setup some questions for her.

What is her future plans (5 years, 10 years) ? Or is it day to day?

What is her opinion about how Thai people view falangs? Are falangs considered to be wretched lascivious men in general? Does she find the falang way better/worse compared to normal Thai life?

My thai gf thinks in 10-15 years, the falang influence will lessen thai culture. Does she think Thais would rather have less falang tourists and less business with falang companies in their country?

It sounds like she is a good looking woman. Does she feel this helps her or hinders her?

Ask her to tell some funny stories about your relationship. What makes her attracted to the Scamp?

Thanks,

Snake

I've been unknowingly pulled into one of those bars by a very pretty face/body with rough hands (something should have clicked in my head). After pulling me in and hastily seating me, I was immediately set upon to order a drink. There was a problem there as they did not serve water and I was not drinking alcohol that night. When I finally looked up, there were a lot of buff looking girls in ill fitting bikinis. (something starts to click in my mind) I start to smile, mutter something, laugh uncomfortably and look around for other clientele. There were 3 or 4 shady characters seated about.

Hadn't this bar been full of great naked women 4 months earlier?? My thoughts were: Is this Thaksin's doing? Save me St. Chuwit !!!

Well, it was uncomfortable as I told them I had to leave. They asked why I couldn't stick around. Well.... maybe I wasn't drunk was 1 reason. Maybe this was completely unexpected was reason 2 and maybe some of those guuys were a bit too manly, I mean ripped.

Anyways, I made my way out as another man was being dragged in. I had made my getaway.

Since then, I can manage to go to some of those bars if I bring my gf or st bg friend. I feel much more at ease if I have a woman with me in those places. It is fun to watch the activity, something different. And actually yes, they can be nice people to talk to. After we leave those places, I find I need to hit some of the female gogo bars to get the balance back before heading home.

THe golden rule I've been told is never take home the woman of your dreams, the prettiest - as odds are..... you never know.

Go Ning GO!! Nice post. Lets hear more from you.

I love it when my thai gf gets fired up and says how she feels. That post reminded me of her.

I like the forum name "Igotworms"

Be careful. hehe

If a woman carried herself in a manner that she was comfortable with her sluttiness, then it doesn't matter to me. If there is a woman who is hypocritical or tries to conceal her activity, then the number is 30 for me.

Us men get the benefit of the double standard. We are supposed to conquer as many as we can, right???

BTW, when I say coconut, I am referring to the things from the palm trees, not a brown ladyboy.

Just wanted to clarify

someone stated to wear long sleeves as the mosquitos are out dusk to dawn and love to have a good drink.

I am one of those individuals that mosquitos and fleas seek out. If there are mosquitos, they will find me and I will have many itchy red bumps.

That is before I started purposely drinking coconut products.

A friend and I experimented by drinking a young coconut before golfing at a well known mosquito course. The mosquitos avoided us all day. We could see the mosquitos around our beers and cokes (they hover around co2 source) however, they would not go near us after we had drank the coconut.

Anybody else experience this or would like to experiment and relate back to the thread?

Coconut works extremely good if you catch a worm/ parasite and you can't stop the runs (diarrhea). This was my original use for coconut and it worked like a charm with no unwanted constipation.

Basically, bugs hate coconut

As with all ex-wives and worn out BGs, they are easy to spot wearing one of these:

Just to relate how one old bg made her money.

She was old and ugly compared to the other available bgs. Her trick was that if you made eye contact with her, she would come over and start talking to you. She would not leave until you bought her a drink and gave her money to leave your area. Very effective money making particularly if you still had a lot of beer to drink in your glass and couuldn't leave the stool or bar yet.

As a side note: I am curious how these scammers, the bg gfs and wife scammers put up with perhaps a falang testing the relationship.

Let's say the guy questions the girl about her relationship with other men, or worse yet treats her with disrespect either alone or in public. Do these scammers put up with it or do they say "<deleted> off" and leave?

If a bargirl or wife asks to invest in a Thai home or a Thai business, or maybe even vocational school, would it be better to tell her that its not a good money investment. Could you gauge her intent by the girl's reaction to you based on a "no" or a string of "nos" to her?

It seems like these guys get voodooed and can't say no or make a rational decision when they are under these girls spells.