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Nakba denial is as bad as genocide denials.

As oppose to denying or supporting those who deny the holocaust.

And we are back to square 1, circles in circles we go again.

They are not treated in any special bad way, if anything better then 50% of other thai business.

The sooner you realize that the better it would be!

KFC is a global franchise and all are supposed to be treated equally, according to the law of the land. You alluded to that earlier.

KFC Thailand staff are not treated the same as KFC in other countries. I have pointed that out ie: KFC in oz pays over minimum wage, KFC Thailand does not. Therefore, employees in KFC Thailand do not receive the same consideration, bonuses, benefits.

The sooner you realise this has nothing to do with what other employees in Thailand receive the better it would be.

KFC Thailand staff are treated according to Thailand labor Law.

KFC Australia staff are treated according to Australian labor Law

The sooner you realize that and stop trying to change the country where you DO NOT even reside, but come for an occasional holiday, the better it will be.

Following your logic, if in country A the law is to whip staff, so country B should be doing the same because its a franchise? Thats just simply insane!

You pointed out many things, just keep failing to note what has been pointed to you.

KFC OZ pays 1% above the minimum wage, so please stop trying to prove they "take care"

KFC Thailand, also pays above the minimum wage, by about as much

KFC Oz employees in OZ can not afford to have a car or own a house, just like employees of KFC Thailand

Meal allowance in OZ is only paid on overtime, in Thailand they are fed irrespective of the hours worked.

I do not know of any KFC in Thailand or in OZ located in the middle of the bush, so it does not have public transport.

Again, please stop trying to change the country where you do not even reside! if you want to be humanitarian, please direct your efforts to people who do not have a job at all, like people in Cambodia or Laos or if Thailand is of your choice, the elderly who do not get any money at all and do not have a job at all

No you are wrong on your points and your thinking.

KFC staff in oz are treated BETTER than the minimum allowable under our law. KFC Thailand are not treated better. You were the one that earlier stated it is a franchise and they treat workers under the law of each country. It is plain that they don't as some countries are treated above that law.

Meal allowance in oz is paid if doing overtime but they are still entitled to a meal during normal working hours. The meal allowance is over and above that entitlement.

I can tell you that in Brisbane public transport stops at about midnight so employees working after that time must find an alternative way home, therefore they are entitled to a taxi, if they have worked over 2 hours overtime.

However, you plainly did not understand what I have said. Even if there IS public transport the employee is entitled to a taxi if there is a danger in using the public transport.

You can argue that Brisbane is in the bush and not a real city if you like.

The place that I live has nothing to do with it. You could substitue oz for the UK, they get even more benefits with bonuses etc.

Which again shows that Thai staff are treated worse than staff in western countries.

I would not even worry if the price of KFC in Thailand was comparative to that in the west having concern for wages, but it isn't.

If you are happy to pay over the odds prices for KFC in Thailand whilst the employees are treated worse than western KFC employees, by comparison, then that is a matter for you.

I am not happy to do that.

i am sorry to go little off topic, but does not QLD have the biggest unemployment rate in Australia? Must be because company's take such a good care that people do not want to work and prefer to get the dole

If the so called Palestinians hadn't left their homes in 1948 and 1967 in response to Arab Countries requests to do so (so they could wipe the Israelis out) there would have been no returning to do. Perhaps they should be having words with those who extended such requests and ask to be granted citizenship instead of being stuck in refugee camps for political purposes.

That isn't that what happened.

Please do tell us what happened

The article doesn't mention the numbered killed in clashes between Fatah and Hamas, nor does it mention the numbers executed outright by Hamas.

You are welcome to add this information in this thread here. don't hesitate.

perhaps if Palestinian media were truthful to release the figures, we would

From the OP:

"Our message this year is that we will return, we will start to implement laws of right of return, we will march to Israeli checkpoints demanding to go home. We are working day and night to achieve our goal, right of Return to the villages we were expelled from in 1948," Monther Amria, head of the Nakba Committee in Bethlehem said.

If Israel wouldn't be a state that isn't a Zionist setup of a state specially for only one specific ethnic/religious/cultural group their return would be no problem.

but Israel is a state, so whats your point?

Yes its a state specially for only one specific ethnic/religious/cultural group.

Apartheid and ethnic segregation belongs to the dust bin of history. Is that so difficult to understand?

and yet 1 500 000 arabs live in Israel, is that so difficult to understand?

From the OP:

"Our message this year is that we will return, we will start to implement laws of right of return, we will march to Israeli checkpoints demanding to go home. We are working day and night to achieve our goal, right of Return to the villages we were expelled from in 1948," Monther Amria, head of the Nakba Committee in Bethlehem said.

If Israel wouldn't be a state that isn't a Zionist setup of a state specially for only one specific ethnic/religious/cultural group their return would be no problem.

but Israel is a state, so whats your point?

Israel has already a law of the right to return.

According to some its open to all people no matter to what kind of specific ethnic/religious/cultural group they belong.

and your point is?

must not be all that bad to live in Israel since there are 1 500 000 STILL living in Israel

Sounds very much like it is time for them to stop the attacks on Israel and finally sign a peace agreement and get their own state.

Or begin to report objectively and also post the reason why so many have been killed

Perhaps mentioning the suicide bombers along with rocket attacks would also help, but then it would not be Palestinian Media and we have already seen on other threads how they "make up" reports.

Sorry, but your comment is just plain wrong. Even if you can find some religious Zionists who would call for that, the facts of the matter are that Israel has never implemented anything like that, nor do a majority of Israelis support that.

I am not wrong about the law of "return".

I am not wrong about Israels concept of Israel as the Jewish state. That is that what the majority of Israelis support - Zionism.

There are a few post-Zionists in Israel, like Uri Avnery or journalists like Gideon Levy, who take a different position, but that is a tiny minority.

There are also Israeli-Arab members in the Knesset, a few, guess how much respect they get from the majority of Israelis.

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'Marriage to an Arab is national treason'

Recent poll reveals steep rise in racist views against Arabs in Israel; many participants feel hatred, fear when overhearing Arabic, 75 percent don't approve of shared apartment buildings

Over half of the Jewish population in Israel believes the marriage of a Jewish woman to an Arab man is equal to national treason, according to a recent survey by the Geocartography Institute.

The survey, which was conducted for the Center Against Racism, also found that over 75 percent of participants did not approve of apartment buildings being shared between Arabs and Jews. Sixty percent of participants said they would not allow an Arab to visit their home.

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http://www.ynetnews....3381978,00.html

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MK Zahalka: Racist laws target Arab sector

During heated Knesset debate ahead of vote on three controversial bills, Arab MK says 'we'll ask international community for protection.' PM: Israel only place where Arab lawmakers allowed to criticize state

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Arab Knesset Member Jamal Zahalka (Balad) exchanged harsh words regarding the Nakba bill and other pending laws during a heated Knesset plenum meeting Tuesday evening.

"Today the Knesset will pass three racist laws," Zahalka said, referring to three highly controversial laws which are expected to pass late Tuesday night.

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http://www.ynetnews....4046297,00.html

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Spreading racism and xenophobia

The national intimidation campaign against foreigners must be stopped from the top down.

By Gideon Levy

The disease is malignant and metastatic, spreading with alarming speed. From Safed to Eilat, through Tiberias and Bnei Brak, one city after another is declaring: I am racist.

Renting apartments to Arab students is forbidden in Safed and Tiberias, migrant workers are being thrown out of their apartments in Bnei Brak, where their electricity and water is cut off as well. In Eilat, "black market labor" isn't wanted. This is no longer just the bad old hatred of Arabs, in the name of fear and security; it's now become distilled, violent xenophobia as well.

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http://www.haaretz.c...phobia-1.328333

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In few days is Nakba Day, guess then will will get more news specially on this issue.

and yet still over 1 000 000 arabs live in Israel making it over 25% of the population compared to almost non existent population of Jews living in the Arab states.

Better yet, Christians are not even counted in Israel yet prosecuted, killed and burned in Arab states.

People are shot for demonstrating, let alone being allowed to practice any other religion then Islam, in the Arab states

And after all that, you will continue to insists you are right

And we are back to square 1, circles in circles we go again.

They are not treated in any special bad way, if anything better then 50% of other thai business.

The sooner you realize that the better it would be!

KFC is a global franchise and all are supposed to be treated equally, according to the law of the land. You alluded to that earlier.

KFC Thailand staff are not treated the same as KFC in other countries. I have pointed that out ie: KFC in oz pays over minimum wage, KFC Thailand does not. Therefore, employees in KFC Thailand do not receive the same consideration, bonuses, benefits.

The sooner you realise this has nothing to do with what other employees in Thailand receive the better it would be.

KFC Thailand staff are treated according to Thailand labor Law.

KFC Australia staff are treated according to Australian labor Law

The sooner you realize that and stop trying to change the country where you DO NOT even reside, but come for an occasional holiday, the better it will be.

Following your logic, if in country A the law is to whip staff, so country B should be doing the same because its a franchise? Thats just simply insane!

You pointed out many things, just keep failing to note what has been pointed to you.

KFC OZ pays 1% above the minimum wage, so please stop trying to prove they "take care"

KFC Thailand, also pays above the minimum wage, by about as much

KFC Oz employees in OZ can not afford to have a car or own a house, just like employees of KFC Thailand

Meal allowance in OZ is only paid on overtime, in Thailand they are fed irrespective of the hours worked.

I do not know of any KFC in Thailand or in OZ located in the middle of the bush, so it does not have public transport.

Again, please stop trying to change the country where you do not even reside! if you want to be humanitarian, please direct your efforts to people who do not have a job at all, like people in Cambodia or Laos or if Thailand is of your choice, the elderly who do not get any money at all and do not have a job at all

Lucky cocaine is rich man drug then

Do you guys here really believe that he did this for 6K dollars.

No way.

That is what he is telling the police of course but I don't believe it for a moment.

Nobody is that stupid.

Whatever he was going to make it is all history now and he will have a long time to think about it.

How dangerous is it?

The worst thing about it is the danger to your wallet.

Addiction will empty your wallet very quickly!

And we are back to square 1, circles in circles we go again.

They are not treated in any special bad way, if anything better then 50% of other thai business.

The sooner you realize that the better it would be!

What are your feelings when company starts to loose money and fires people?

And what are your feelings for people who invested money and are not getting the returns?

To start with what company charges is not yours "we" business . You do not like the price, you do not buy.

Today I paid 99 baht for burger meal with chips and drink, what's western price again ? 200-250 baht??

I do not like the price I do not buy. I don't and I don't. That doesn't stop me having empathy for people being on minimum wage whilst the company charges over the odds compared to franchises in western countries.

I had a look today at the KFC at the train station and it depends what type of burger etc you order. I asked the young lady behind the counter and she told me the prices for meal deals can change daily. At that time they had just the simple chicken burger, regular chips, can of drink for $3.95. I think that is about 130 or 140 baht depending on the exchange.

If that happens then my feelings are that management are incompetent and should have treated their staff better, as the KFC website says it is doing by offering bonuses and incentives to all staff.

It won't be the end of the world if KFC in Thailand no longer has a few outlets. Investors should be aware of the issues and I would not consider investing in a company that allowed staff to be treated like they are in Thailand. Investing is a risk and if the investors know about the issues and continue to invest and it goes all wrong then it's their own fault.

Why to share? Because that the deal if you a tolerant and open minded person and want to live in peace with people of an other ethic/cultural/religious background.

Apartheid and ethnic segregation belongs to the dust bin of history. Is that so difficult to understand?

As it turns out, it is hard to understand for you, BUT

Since Palestinians are tolerant and open minded and want to live in peace, whats the problem with recognizing Israel, which mind you has already been recognized and established for longer then word Palestine existed.

And since you are an open minded person, how on earth would you even try to defend or justify latest statement of Hamas?

Q: Is Israel willing to share?

A: No. Israel is only for one specific ethnic/religious/cultural group but not open for another.

Q. How many Arabs live in Israel?

A. Over 1 000 000 , ONE Million

Q. What % is that of total population?

A. 25%

Q. How many jews live in any Arab country?

A. Hardly any

Q. What % of the population is it?

A. Less than even 0.1%

Q. Is Bangkokeddy trolling asking this kind of questions considering the REAL facts?

A. Absolutely

Being existant and having a state are 2 very different things. Gypsy's do exist, yet they never had a country or a capital

It seems the world can close this chapter from now on, after all HAMAS is ready to recognize a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders or any part of Palestine- and this is all that matters, case closed

Somehow I can't see Israel jumping up and down for joy at this proposal.

Because the Supremacists don't want share the land but keep it for the chosen ones only.

Why would Israel share the land? was it historically different?or because Hamas or you said so?

Why to share? Because that the deal if you a tolerant and open minded person and want to live in peace with people of an other ethic/cultural/religious background.

Apartheid and ethnic segregation belongs to the dust bin of history. Is that so difficult to understand?

As it turns out, it is hard to understand for you, BUT

Since Palestinians are tolerant and open minded and want to live in peace, whats the problem with recognizing Israel, which mind you has already been recognized and established for longer then word Palestine existed.

And since you are an open minded person, how on earth would you even try to defend or justify latest statement of Hamas?

What do you mean it does not matter?

You are the one advocating for the return of the "stolen" land, etc etc etc

Basically if you do answer the truth, it kind of kills your entire platform

Exactly!

Just take the guy off your Christmas card list. He's really not worth the hassle.

Sorry Chuck for hijacking the thread a little and taking him away from your question, but as you can see its unlikely you wil get one and if you do, it will be rather loads of unrelated rubbish.

Man does not even see a problem with asking to be recognized by someone who he does not recognize-which in itself is beyond irrational or logical

^^

Ohh, you know the answer? Why keep asking the same question over and over again. And then what you make of the answer?

Q: Will it stop Fatah and Hamas to work together and form a new Palestinian government?

A: No.

next...

Well since now you admit and acknowledge the answer, why continue with the nonsense posts? and try to be fair and moderate.

What nonsense posts?

Where is the relevance of the answer of the question "when there ever was a Palestine state and what was its Capital?"

Hate to say it , but pretty much every single one of them.

You do not even seem to be able to follow any rational thoughts and give credit where its due.

A perfect example of why Palestinians do not have a state and are not very likely to get one in the near future, despite all their believes and hopes.

Just keep shooting yourself in the foot and hope that the world does not catch on.

Hamas is well known for speaking out of both sides of the mouth.

"Palestinian propagandists can say and do anything they please without concern for the truth, in the belief that if they repeat it often enough it will simply become the truth."

Jack Schwartz

Yes, Supremacists will also tell the Palestinians that they don't even exist.

Btw. Who is Jack Schwartz?

Well thats because they never did! can you show otherwise?

Somehow I can't see Israel jumping up and down for joy at this proposal.

Because the Supremacists don't want share the land but keep it for the chosen ones only.

Why would Israel share the land? was it historically different?or because Hamas or you said so?

In other words give us the 1967 borders so at a future date we can attempt to eradicate you (for the fourth time) from a more advantageous position. In return for this concession we will recognise a Palestinian state and only a Palestinian state.

Or in other words, we have no interest in REALLY having a state because we are well aware what this statement means.So we will continue nonsense demands, whining and relying on foreign aid to support us.

If we were by some crazy notion get what we want, we will not stop, we will just adjust and continue with the same nonsense, because we do not know any better and prefer to live the way we do.

Sorry, can't resist.

91, ill health, 60 years later, several trials, extradition, assisted in 1000's of murders in one of the most infamous extermination camps = capture, 18 month trial and sentence.

OBL...well, you know.

Well at least he will die in a prison cell instead of a hospital or home bed. and instead of having comfort, rather a nightmare, especially at his age.

If you think what he went through was hard, just think of what all those in the camps went through.

I visited one of the camps in Austria 7 years ago and even though its a museum, i still felt the ghosts sort of speak. We had about 45 people on the bus, all young kids in early 20's.

After the visit, the entire bus was silent for about 2 hours, no one said a word, no one talked or really did anything , but just sit and stared into empty space. Scary and worthy experience

^^

Ohh, you know the answer? Why keep asking the same question over and over again. And then what you make of the answer?

Q: Will it stop Fatah and Hamas to work together and form a new Palestinian government?

A: No.

next...

Well since now you admit and acknowledge the answer, why continue with the nonsense posts? and try to be fair and moderate.

I have asked him a number of times even a more simple question, which was when there ever was a Palestine state and what was its Capital?

I got pretty much the same response-silence.

Yes, your question are of very simple nature.

What is so difficult about posting the facts of history?

Yes it can not be twisted or scapegoated, but really its a very simple question

Then answer it. When there ever was a Palestine state and what was its Capital?

Q: Does it matter?

A: No.

What do you mean it does not matter?

You are the one advocating for the return of the "stolen" land, etc etc etc

Basically if you do answer the truth, it kind of kills your entire platform

Just like answering Chuck and Judas, puts an end to any and all possible debates you could ever try to put forward about right or wrong.

Its clear you will not answer my question so please back to Chuck and Judas