patklang

this can be sorted in 10 mins.

1/ open gambling casinos

2/ open a disney world.

3/park and drive areas,so avoiding coming into central pattaya with own vehicles

then the tourism board can attract more families and wealthier people.

keep the bars too but move them in a different place to beach rd,and make beach road shut to traffic from 7pm until 4am.

gizza job

STEPS

you are right,i think it came into force last year and as i retired at 50 and worked from 15,that makes me qualify for a full pension without paying back ni contributions.

going back to the op,at your age i was very hungry to work,save and raise a family and up to 48 would have never contemplated to move abroad.now i have done it 5 years ago it was the best move i have ever made.i sold my house at the right time,bought here at the right time,and converted gbp to thai baht at the right time,just hope my luck holds out.

good luck in whatever you decide,as your life with your kid is the most important thing to think about.you are coming here for the right reasons mate.

The only bad relationships i have seen in thailand with farang/thai are always the farang fault.

i know this is not always the case but i can only go by my 5 years here and as i say,the farangs go out most nights,smoke heavy,give no repect to the lady,shout at her in public.i could go on more but thats my view.i am not saying the ladies are the best in the world but they are decent human beings unlike what some farangs think.

some of these guys are english/ozzy/welsh/new zealand/danish,so you cant say one race is worse than the other

Very bad of her to do this but it can happen in england and does regular.i have been happy some bar workers have got the police after a stupid farang has groped her but this is different,hope it hasnt put you off golf mate.i could tell a couple of stories about scheming caddies,some are no different than other bad thais.

as they say,just be careful out there because it could cost you.

would you get an american guy or english guy to be tested after a sexual encounter.

it depends where he works and who he frequents with,has he got thai gf or boyfriend eve,as some thais dont have to be gay to earn money.Based on your post you havent had sex with him??? only oral.If you have had sex with him then you are mad if you didnt make him wear a condom,and especialy anal sex,which is a higher risk for hiv/aids.

go with your intuition and take it from there,and ask him what he does in Pattaya,and if he is a barboy then for gods sake get a test straight away.

Didnt go into town but the roads were very busy.we decided to stay local and avoid all the pissheads and dangerous drivers.Was in the company of some good guys and their wives so we had a brill time and a good celebration.

30 sangsom/cokes,washed down with a few san miguels.

seems unusual to me,they normaly say

UP TO YOU

dam_n good idea to have a means test.we all complain about immigrants come into uk and live in one area and make it a slum,with many that cant even speak decent english.you cant have it both ways.wish thailand would do the same for us farangs,as the thais have it easy compared to us expats.

no corrupt police to deal with,less maniacs on the road,you get the gist???

sabum,

how do you do that mate,i only get free drinks when the tiracs monthly money comes thru.they are only too happy to take care me and sometimes for free.

had mine done private at bangkok/pattaya hospital and the room was like a 10 star hotel and awesome food.Stayed 2 nights and they even put a bed in for my gf and fed her too,but thats private and they just added it to the bill.originaly the surgeon said 1 day but when i had been booked in he said 2 days to relax more.

perfect op,brilliant after care and i had 6 staples and they were removed totaly painlessly 6 days later,he said i was a quick healer.aA little bit of pain for a few days and was difficult to get into my thai friends truck after iw as discharged and bloody sore every time he went over a bump,but all in all perfect and higly recommended.I paid thr insurance jsut over 100,000 baht but the op was about 50,000 if paying cash.

MICKBA

cant you sell the house????

much better than all thats shit.to be honest this sounds like a bg that you have taken home for a quickie and she wants to stay and leave her tooth brush.

ok then,so we only test a thai lady if there is a certain age difference and only if she is beautiful too.

so ladies that are closer to the farang/middle class thai age and arent great looking are good for relationship then.

still sounds good to me.better start looking at some rich farang ladies then lol

send me a pm with who you claim to be banned due to the "women sticking together" but in the mean time keep your false acccusations off this thread.

i rest my case,reeling a fish in isnt my sport,sorry,no interest of continuing this post boo,happy new year to you and everyone else on here

BOO,

i dont have to prove it,speak to half the guys on here lol.

you too tough for me anyway lol

SBK

BTW

i didnt know girlx was a western women so that knocks a big hole in your assumption.

you shouldn't be overly paranoid, for one thing. but some signs are- poor family, speaks good english, happily takes money when offered (or even outright asks for it) and doesn't pay it back, drinks/smokes/gambles a lot, has a "brother" hanging around all the time... i am sure many of the men on here can contribute.

girlx

is that based on experience or do you read too many books.

would love to know

poor family??? now thats funny

speaks good english??? so no unis here,and no private schools too

happily takes money??? so do english,french,greel ladies etc etc

drinks,smokes,gambles??? no other lady does that then,and you dont trust them

this is so funny,i could go on but am too busy.

It's her pre conceived ideas that she has of most Western men here in Thailand. Sad, very sad.

Oddly enough, mrtoad, I have read these exact same things from men on this forum time and time again. Is it so offensive because its coming from a western woman whereas if it comes from a western man its more acceptable? Sad, very sad.

SBK

please dont turn this into a slanging match between girlx,me,another postewr and a mod just because girlx is a woman.i would have posted about her silly post if she was a man.i dont want anyone banned for replying to to girlx post,have seen this so many times on here of someone banned because the women stuck together.

you shouldn't be overly paranoid, for one thing. but some signs are- poor family, speaks good english, happily takes money when offered (or even outright asks for it) and doesn't pay it back, drinks/smokes/gambles a lot, has a "brother" hanging around all the time... i am sure many of the men on here can contribute.

He said getting ripped of by a thai lady not a bar girl.So a thai lady who speaks good english cannot be trusted?????-Realy dont understand that one.

Poor family-is this thai lady or isaan lady specificaly????

drinks/smokes and gambles a lot- i totaly agree with that one.

Brother hanging around(meaning thai bf or husband)-Think you have been reading too many books here.

May i contribute please.

I WOULD NOT have a farang for a gf who smokes/drinks and gambles heavy.

who wouldnt take money thats offered lol.

My ex wife in uk did me out of 150,000 quid and half the house so it can happen to anybody.if i had been thai i would have killed her lol lol.

Had to try and be funny because some of the experts on here read far too many books.You should know within 30 mins what a girl in thailand is like.

Is this super human power to discern the character of someone you just met something that is gained by eating Thai food and breathing Thai air?

It would seem to be the case since it's a 'power' you evidently didn't have back home in the UK!

you have an uncanny knack of getting things totaly wrong,is it the saudi smell or something.

so you dont think been with a girl(thai or not thai) for 30 whole minutes you wouldnt know what she is like.thats not power thats asking open neutral questions.

Gullivers on beach rd,between soi 1 and soi 2 may show the fa cup.if they dont i shouldnt think any bar will.

just going to shagwell with the gf and stepson,meet some mates and have a fairly quiet new years eve.dont have to drive though so a safe night too.

you shouldn't be overly paranoid, for one thing. but some signs are- poor family, speaks good english, happily takes money when offered (or even outright asks for it) and doesn't pay it back, drinks/smokes/gambles a lot, has a "brother" hanging around all the time... i am sure many of the men on here can contribute.

I never saw one (woman) here in 4 years, that did not ask for or expect money and I am NOT talking about women I found in bars & massage joints,etc. Most, if not all, of my Farang friends have had the same experience, whether married or single, young or old. Money is the operative element here in relationships. It goes with the territory. If you want to test it, just decline requests for money and see how long she stays around.

be careful girlx said if they speak good english be very wary of them lol

To my recollection, in the last three years I have dated four women (not including women who I just had one or two dates with); not one, I repeat NOT ONE, asked for money in any way shape or form, unless you include paying for the meal/movie, etc. Of the ones I dated once or twice, not one asked for money.

Now, of the girls I dated before this three year period, all asked for money, every single one. The difference, three years ago I started to date only professional women - and I don't mean just someone working in an office answering phones, I mean business professionals. And surprise, my two closest friends have GFs that have never asked for anything - in one case the GF makes more than my friend.

There's a whole other Thailand out there it seems most people will never see. A place where women have careers, have good families and are not looking for anything more than a lasting committed relationship. As bendix said, most are just too lazy and wind up with a certain class of women, or the next step up. To each his own.

What you say may be true, if you (the Farang) have access to and can mingle in an environment where such professional Thai women may be working. This means that you may be employed by some multi-national and may even be in some supervisory capacity and therefore "looked up to". For most foreign men, who are living here on a retirement visa and/or not working, they do not rub elbows with such women. The opportunities for such are also much less if you are living outside of Bangkok. The limited exposure I have had to such "high-so" women, through educational circles here, revealed to me they have little interest in any relationship with a foreigner, unless they are interested in living overseas and he (the man) might be of some assistance in such pursuit. It's not a matter of lazy or not. It's a matter of what circles you have the opportunity to mix in.

I will quickly respond to a few points.

1) the type of many you describe, retired, no professional associations here, will have trouble meeting young professional women anywhere in the world. So, they are looking at a different type of women - naturally, that type of women will be much more likely to be in it for the money. The west has gold diggers too, most simply can't afford them. However, I would argue that any presentable man, regardless of age (within reason) can meet a decent, middle class girl looking for stability. One of my GFs friends who is around 30 with a mid-level office job is getting married to a westerner in his mid-50s who, in my opinion, is no great catch and is retired here. What amazed me is people are surprised at the behavior of these women - you should really just expect it.

2) yes, I have access to these women, but that does not automatically mean they will do things like introduce me to friends, etc. I had to build up a good deal of trust first.

3) I am not speaking of hi-so women, but rather successful middle class women who have pushed themselves through school and have enjoyed career success. They understand what it means to work and earn a living.

you shouldn't be overly paranoid, for one thing. but some signs are- poor family, speaks good english, happily takes money when offered (or even outright asks for it) and doesn't pay it back, drinks/smokes/gambles a lot, has a "brother" hanging around all the time... i am sure many of the men on here can contribute.

girlx

is that based on experience or do you read too many books.

would love to know

poor family??? now thats funny

speaks good english??? so no unis here,and no private schools too

happily takes money??? so do english,french,greel ladies etc etc

drinks,smokes,gambles??? no other lady does that then,and you dont trust them

this is so funny,i could go on but am too busy.

not seen anyone blame the papers for sensationalising this report.if they had done their homework and got the FACTS correct this would not have happened.

The tattooed guy is mick the hammer,a boxer who has had a few bouts here in pattaya.dont know he he has got a job like that but at least i understand him talking,just lol.

seems like a decent guy in real life though.now nils is a different kettle of fish,which i will not go into.

the irish guy is a complete nob and hasnt got a clue about interviewing

good health for me and my family is the only important thing to me,everything else is a bonus.

msingh,hope you have a great 2009 and beyond,and keep giving compliments to us stokies lol