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6 minutes ago, perthperson said:

Those FAQs have no status and are merely intended as a guide.

Agreed, except that those that answered the FAQs are also likely the ones that approve the extensions and therefore would apply their understanding of the rules, which by definition from their answer is seasoning is required for them, just my opinion.

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

Answers in the FAQ are not rules.

This is what clause 2.22 of  police order 327/2557 states.

No seasoning is mentioned. The intent of the combination option is for when  somebody comes up short on income to get extension. The reason for no seasoning is so that if somebody comes up short because of a devaluation of their home country currency.

OK, then I will stand corrected, the only caveat is that it is going to depend on the office applied to and how they understand it.

Logic does state that if using the combination method then both sets of rules apply, but then again logic and here sometimes do not go together.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Practically, it doesn't matter. What matters to applicants that intend to use the combo method is to learn the specific enforcement policy about seasoning for como applications at their LOCAL office. Reports over the years indicate that the offices that do require combo seasoning don't care if you tell them they're wrong according to the national rules. 

I would say that it is perfectly clear that in the case of using the combination method that the money has to be seasoned, because it does state that the documents required are the same as the ones required for using the 800k method and the 65k per month method.

4 minutes ago, perthperson said:

 

The rule is SILENT on the topic -- You might not agree  in which case I challenge you to prove otherwise. 

Not really, as according to the FAQ in the Immigration website it does mention that the documents required to apply for the combination method are the same as for 800k.

Answer : For reasons to stay of Retirement, the alien must be 50 year of age or older and must have been granted a Non-Immigrant visa, firstly. More over, the said alien must have evidences to verify his/her financial status of not less than 65,000 Baht per month or 800,000 Baht per year. Evidences showing financial support are as follows;
       1.  In case of having money in the bank account (Saving/Fix deposit) of any bank located in Thailand.
       -  The updated bank passbook on the date of application submission showing money in the account of not less than 800,000 Baht which has been deposited and consecutively held of such amount for 3 months. ( Except the first application for this reason, that such amount should be deposited and held for 60 days)
     -  Letter from the bank certified the current account in the bank of not less than 800,000 Baht; or
         2.2  In case of having any other income from abroad such as pension, social welfare
     -  Letter from the applicant’s Embassy or consulate in Thailand verifying their pension or other income of the applicant which must not be less than 65,000 Baht per month. Or;
        2.3  In case of a combination of having money in the bank account and income from pension, with total amount of not less than 800,000 Baht per year, the required documents are the same as mentioned in 2.1and 2.2

4 minutes ago, blackcab said:

The relaxation of labour laws is specifically for nationals of Cambodia, Laos and Myanmar who hold or need to obtain a passport, Non-LA visa and work permit for Thailand.

 

Citizens of these countries are given limited dispensation to work in occupations (mainly manual labour type jobs) prohibited to other foreign nationals.

 

I don't think the current relaxation covers YouTubers.

 

There are good reasons why the dispensation is specifically for these Nationals, the companies that employ them would face much more severe financial penalties and to replace these migrant workers with locals is probably impractical and far less profitable, so they will have put a lot of pressure on the Government when this was announced, I would seriously doubt that it involves any compassion towards the migrant workers.

It certainly doesn't mean that your average Farang can suddenly start working without a WP, probably just an easy way out for them regarding this 'Youtube Dude'

8 minutes ago, perthperson said:

Sorry if I have, inadvertently, repeated something you said. There are no "quotes" or plagiarism associated with my post. 

 

Suggest you chill out. 

No worries, super chilled here  

7 hours ago, JayBird said:

I'm concerned they may start to insist it has to be THB.

If immigration were to start to insist on seeing it in THB, then there are exchange booths that are available prior to going through immigration, so worse case you would have to go and change the other currency first, it is highly unlikely that they would ever insist on THB only, as I'm sure that even immigration realise the importance of an influx of foreign currency, having said that though, the exchange booths on the air side of immigration could make an absolute fortune!!!!

5 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

had i a thai  debit cash card loaded with 20 k baht , would the io let me in ???

 

wbr

roobaa01

Unlikely, as they want to see cash or travellers cheques, how could they verify that it is 'loaded' ?

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I thinks it depends upon the reason a person is being deported. If he was blacklisted for something then that could be the reason for the deportation to the UK.

For something like an overstay you could likely go wherever you wanted to.

Possible, but debatable, especially for overstay involving a blacklist, actually that is exactly what he was deported for eventually, like I said, it was a long drawn out affair!

It is fair to say there is big difference to being kicked out and being refused entry.

1 minute ago, perthperson said:

When a person is deported it is from within the country and usually the result of immigration infractions or outright criminality. Such people are required to buy tickets to their country of origin. 

 

I think I said the first part, not sure where you picked your quote up from?

The OP is stupid to be teaching without a WP, loads of reasons why, the constant worry of getting caught and dealing with the consequences, being exploited by the school, no protection from the labour law etc. etc. 

From the original post I also got the impression that the school may even be a state school???

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

My understanding is that, when someone is deported, they can go to any other country that will accept them. Unfortunately, other countries and airlines will not accept you. A country for which you have citizenship is obliged to accept you and, similarly, under international law, the national airline must carry you. Thus, being forced to go to your home country is not a decision of Thai immigration, but a function of other countries' refusal to accept you.

I am not entirely convinced that is 100% correct, quite a number of years ago an acquaintance was deported and immigration / police absolutely insisted that the only country they would release him to travel to was his home country, in his case UK, I know because I loaned him the cash for the ticket and never got it back and never will, as the poor chap died of a stroke in Cambodia a couple of years later!! (he was banned from entering Thailand for life, long story why, but involved a sordid article about his establishment that was published in the News of the World that upset those in power big style!!!)

2 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Know nothing about social security here but the 60 thing is only for teachers?

Regarding?

The Thai labour law allows for people to work past the age of 60, but you must renew your contract every year from that point and lose the right to any further severance pay, so for example if you were employed at the same company for 10 years or more, on an indefinite employment contract, prior to reaching 60, then the company can agree to continue your employment, however, they must pay out any severance pay owed up to that point and issue a new contract on a yearly basis.

I would assume that this may apply to teachers working legitimately also.

I am a little unsure now regarding the SS payments after the age of 60, as Rasputin has stated, there seems to be some confusion, seems you definitely can continue after reaching 60 if you are still in employment, the issue is, can you register after the age of 60, i.e. 61 and above.

I think the point is that should the IO have a suspicion, or just plain doesn't like the person, then he will find one of the reasons in section 12 for denial of entry, instances of this have been posted here in the last few days, popular one being not enough funds, as if it were just that, then they would allow them to go and get the money.

Immigration even seem to have a stamp saying 'suspicion of working illegally' or words to that affect, not the official reason given for denial, but it certainly is just a nice 'friendly' note for the next IO they come across, who may well find / use another excuse from section 12, as the money one will have been covered.

Basically, if they really do not want that person to enter, then they will find a way to deny and there seems to be little that can be done once that happens.

3 minutes ago, jnrdekinyua said:

Can I get the Tm7 form from the Thailand's immigration website to download or I will need to go and obtain it at the immigration office only

It is downloadable from the Immigration Forms pinned topics on here.

4 hours ago, BEVUP said:

It would be possible to purchase new car with just a COR & every yr for Rego just go 7 get another COR 

No COR required for the annual tax payment, just the vehicle's blue book, the COR is required only when the vehicle is first registered to you and when you sell it finally, all the COR is doing is giving DLT an address to register the vehicle to.

7 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Fortunately it is generally not enforced and living/working using a ME visa is tolerated.

Normally those who are working here full time and using a ME Non B visa to do so, cannot meet the requirements for an extension of stay based on working, either due to low salary or the employer cannot provide sufficient documentation.

Makes no sense to work here on a ME visa long term, both for the employer and the employee, unless you have to!

56 minutes ago, strikingsunset said:

I am just reading up posts on entry denial. I have done 2 visa exempt entries by air this year in march and may.

I have got loads of visa exempt stamps, maybe 15 over the last 5 years.

I am 62 years old, age being cited as a factor.( UK citizen)

I have never been questioned by an IO.

Have things changed so drastically that I should get a tourist visa for my forthcoming 15 day trip to Thailand ?... thanks

I would imagine that so long as you have a return ticket and 20,000 THB (or say 500 Pounds) in cash, then you should not have a problem, those that have been seeing problems tend to be those doing back to back entries over shorter periods than yours.

28 minutes ago, JayBird said:

To me, the problem is that their rules are not published well.

Yes, this I would tend to agree with, the information available in the public domain is poor at best and what is on various sites is outdated, it also comes down to the IO at the time and their understanding of the rules and even they are unlikely to know them properly, then the enforcement seems to be very random.

It really is not difficult to publish the rules and make the info available, plus enforce them uniformly.

A little off topic, however relevant in a way, I came back from Singapore in to BKK airport late on Wednesday night and did notice that there are some electronic billboards that display the financial requirements for entry, a bit daft really, as by this time it is too late!

Never seen immigration so busy with so few desks open, the queues were down the ramp in to arrivals area, equating to thousands of people and the left hand queue (so the longest) only had 3 desks open, it took me 1.5hrs to get through immigration and I was one of the luckier ones in that the queue was relatively short when I joined it.

I timed how long it took the IO to process my entry and it was about 5 minutes, I was entering on a multiple re-entry permit, extension of stay based on working, with a long history of the same, but he certainly seemed to scrutinise my passport more than a usual entry.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that Thai immigration have been instructed to look more carefully at those people who are using Tourist Visas / Visa Exemption entries to reside long term in Thailand, especially those under 50, who do raise the suspicion that they could be working here, the onus would then be on them to somehow prove that they are not and that they can support themselves independently of Thailand, a trip back to their own country of birth does lend credence to proving this.

If somebody is spending an extended period of time here based on tourist visas, extending these, then going to a neighbouring country and getting another, repeating this several times will seemingly now raise flags and they could be investigated on the suspicion of working, plus, quite possibly the IO will be thinking why does this chap not go home, what has he got to hide!

Perhaps they need to introduce a new class of visa for the wealthy long term tourist, ooops sorry, they have with the Elite Visa!!

Seriously, there are very few countries in the world where you can live utilising just tourist visas indefinitely, UK for example, the maximum a visitor is allowed to stay in the country is 6 months in any given year, if different is needed, then you need to have a different reason and class of visa.

Those who are on rotational jobs and using Thailand as a base and are not married or qualify for a retirement visa, should be OK so long as their stay outside of Thailand is 2 weeks plus and eventually they get a tourist visa, I'd even consider having a covering letter from my employer explaining the job and so on, just something to show the IO or supervisor as a backup if questioned.

According to the FAQ's in the Social Security Office website, unfortunately you can only register between the ages of 15 to 60.

http://www.sso.go.th/wpr/eng/faq_Whois theinsured.html

3 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

A little bit off topic. Can anybody here explain me the logics behind the fact that internet nomad’s work in Thailand is classified in the same category as any other employment in Thailand by foreigner. My internet work has nothing to do with Thailand. The money I earn strictly outside Thailand is spent, in a big part, in Thailand. Still I am supposed to be punished by the Thai laws as if I worked illegally in the Kingdom.

Very simple logic, you are not contributing to the society other than spending money, those that actually do earn money here pay income taxes, social security etc. as you would in your home country, they also spend the money earned here.

However, there is an argument, that I would tend to agree with, in that it is free money for Thailand, i.e. earned outside of Thailand but spent here, plus it is not denying a local of employment.

1 minute ago, Speedo1968 said:

16,000gbp or more in savings.

Unfortunately he is going to need more than that if his wife is coming with him to the UK for a year, the only UK visa that would allow that is a Settlement one.

A visit visa would allow a max. of 6 months and that is all she would be allowed to get and stay for for that year.

If they want to be together for the duration of the ban, then they need to look at the alternatives closer to here again.

4 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

30 day tourist visa in it issued by the Thai Consulate in Hong Kong

Apologies then, as that is a first, must be something to do with the ETD validity, never heard of a 30 day visa before!

16 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

It is so confusing

 

What I have in my new passport is:

 

1. A 30 day tourist visa transferred from the temporary travel document I was given at the Thai Embassy in Hong Kong.

 

2. An extension of stay on this visa until August 6th.

 

So now after reading this on the link referred to by OJAS

"With a visa exempt exempt entry you use a TM87 form visa application form instead of a TM86 change of visa status form".

 

I'm totally confused

I think what you are trying to say is that you entered Thailand on a ETD issued by the British Embassy in HK, immigration stamped you in on a 30 day visa exempt entry, this entry stamp has been transferred to the new UK passport and this you have since extended by a further 30 days? (originally you stated 90 days, but I don't think that is possible on a visa exempt, 60 days would be if you were married, unless the IO gave you 30 days originally and then a further 60 days for being married perhaps)

I am no expert, so will let UJ confirm regarding which TM form you need to submit to change from a visa exempt to a non-o, although looking at the forms it should be TM.87 as TM.86 is to change visa and you do not have a visa.