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2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I thinks it depends upon the reason a person is being deported. If he was blacklisted for something then that could be the reason for the deportation to the UK.

For something like an overstay you could likely go wherever you wanted to.

Possible, but debatable, especially for overstay involving a blacklist, actually that is exactly what he was deported for eventually, like I said, it was a long drawn out affair!

It is fair to say there is big difference to being kicked out and being refused entry.

1 minute ago, perthperson said:

When a person is deported it is from within the country and usually the result of immigration infractions or outright criminality. Such people are required to buy tickets to their country of origin. 

 

I think I said the first part, not sure where you picked your quote up from?

The OP is stupid to be teaching without a WP, loads of reasons why, the constant worry of getting caught and dealing with the consequences, being exploited by the school, no protection from the labour law etc. etc. 

From the original post I also got the impression that the school may even be a state school???

2 minutes ago, BritTim said:

My understanding is that, when someone is deported, they can go to any other country that will accept them. Unfortunately, other countries and airlines will not accept you. A country for which you have citizenship is obliged to accept you and, similarly, under international law, the national airline must carry you. Thus, being forced to go to your home country is not a decision of Thai immigration, but a function of other countries' refusal to accept you.

I am not entirely convinced that is 100% correct, quite a number of years ago an acquaintance was deported and immigration / police absolutely insisted that the only country they would release him to travel to was his home country, in his case UK, I know because I loaned him the cash for the ticket and never got it back and never will, as the poor chap died of a stroke in Cambodia a couple of years later!! (he was banned from entering Thailand for life, long story why, but involved a sordid article about his establishment that was published in the News of the World that upset those in power big style!!!)

2 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

Know nothing about social security here but the 60 thing is only for teachers?

Regarding?

The Thai labour law allows for people to work past the age of 60, but you must renew your contract every year from that point and lose the right to any further severance pay, so for example if you were employed at the same company for 10 years or more, on an indefinite employment contract, prior to reaching 60, then the company can agree to continue your employment, however, they must pay out any severance pay owed up to that point and issue a new contract on a yearly basis.

I would assume that this may apply to teachers working legitimately also.

I am a little unsure now regarding the SS payments after the age of 60, as Rasputin has stated, there seems to be some confusion, seems you definitely can continue after reaching 60 if you are still in employment, the issue is, can you register after the age of 60, i.e. 61 and above.

I think the point is that should the IO have a suspicion, or just plain doesn't like the person, then he will find one of the reasons in section 12 for denial of entry, instances of this have been posted here in the last few days, popular one being not enough funds, as if it were just that, then they would allow them to go and get the money.

Immigration even seem to have a stamp saying 'suspicion of working illegally' or words to that affect, not the official reason given for denial, but it certainly is just a nice 'friendly' note for the next IO they come across, who may well find / use another excuse from section 12, as the money one will have been covered.

Basically, if they really do not want that person to enter, then they will find a way to deny and there seems to be little that can be done once that happens.

3 minutes ago, jnrdekinyua said:

Can I get the Tm7 form from the Thailand's immigration website to download or I will need to go and obtain it at the immigration office only

It is downloadable from the Immigration Forms pinned topics on here.

4 hours ago, BEVUP said:

It would be possible to purchase new car with just a COR & every yr for Rego just go 7 get another COR 

No COR required for the annual tax payment, just the vehicle's blue book, the COR is required only when the vehicle is first registered to you and when you sell it finally, all the COR is doing is giving DLT an address to register the vehicle to.

7 minutes ago, elviajero said:

Fortunately it is generally not enforced and living/working using a ME visa is tolerated.

Normally those who are working here full time and using a ME Non B visa to do so, cannot meet the requirements for an extension of stay based on working, either due to low salary or the employer cannot provide sufficient documentation.

Makes no sense to work here on a ME visa long term, both for the employer and the employee, unless you have to!

56 minutes ago, strikingsunset said:

I am just reading up posts on entry denial. I have done 2 visa exempt entries by air this year in march and may.

I have got loads of visa exempt stamps, maybe 15 over the last 5 years.

I am 62 years old, age being cited as a factor.( UK citizen)

I have never been questioned by an IO.

Have things changed so drastically that I should get a tourist visa for my forthcoming 15 day trip to Thailand ?... thanks

I would imagine that so long as you have a return ticket and 20,000 THB (or say 500 Pounds) in cash, then you should not have a problem, those that have been seeing problems tend to be those doing back to back entries over shorter periods than yours.

28 minutes ago, JayBird said:

To me, the problem is that their rules are not published well.

Yes, this I would tend to agree with, the information available in the public domain is poor at best and what is on various sites is outdated, it also comes down to the IO at the time and their understanding of the rules and even they are unlikely to know them properly, then the enforcement seems to be very random.

It really is not difficult to publish the rules and make the info available, plus enforce them uniformly.

A little off topic, however relevant in a way, I came back from Singapore in to BKK airport late on Wednesday night and did notice that there are some electronic billboards that display the financial requirements for entry, a bit daft really, as by this time it is too late!

Never seen immigration so busy with so few desks open, the queues were down the ramp in to arrivals area, equating to thousands of people and the left hand queue (so the longest) only had 3 desks open, it took me 1.5hrs to get through immigration and I was one of the luckier ones in that the queue was relatively short when I joined it.

I timed how long it took the IO to process my entry and it was about 5 minutes, I was entering on a multiple re-entry permit, extension of stay based on working, with a long history of the same, but he certainly seemed to scrutinise my passport more than a usual entry.

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that Thai immigration have been instructed to look more carefully at those people who are using Tourist Visas / Visa Exemption entries to reside long term in Thailand, especially those under 50, who do raise the suspicion that they could be working here, the onus would then be on them to somehow prove that they are not and that they can support themselves independently of Thailand, a trip back to their own country of birth does lend credence to proving this.

If somebody is spending an extended period of time here based on tourist visas, extending these, then going to a neighbouring country and getting another, repeating this several times will seemingly now raise flags and they could be investigated on the suspicion of working, plus, quite possibly the IO will be thinking why does this chap not go home, what has he got to hide!

Perhaps they need to introduce a new class of visa for the wealthy long term tourist, ooops sorry, they have with the Elite Visa!!

Seriously, there are very few countries in the world where you can live utilising just tourist visas indefinitely, UK for example, the maximum a visitor is allowed to stay in the country is 6 months in any given year, if different is needed, then you need to have a different reason and class of visa.

Those who are on rotational jobs and using Thailand as a base and are not married or qualify for a retirement visa, should be OK so long as their stay outside of Thailand is 2 weeks plus and eventually they get a tourist visa, I'd even consider having a covering letter from my employer explaining the job and so on, just something to show the IO or supervisor as a backup if questioned.

According to the FAQ's in the Social Security Office website, unfortunately you can only register between the ages of 15 to 60.

http://www.sso.go.th/wpr/eng/faq_Whois theinsured.html

3 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

A little bit off topic. Can anybody here explain me the logics behind the fact that internet nomad’s work in Thailand is classified in the same category as any other employment in Thailand by foreigner. My internet work has nothing to do with Thailand. The money I earn strictly outside Thailand is spent, in a big part, in Thailand. Still I am supposed to be punished by the Thai laws as if I worked illegally in the Kingdom.

Very simple logic, you are not contributing to the society other than spending money, those that actually do earn money here pay income taxes, social security etc. as you would in your home country, they also spend the money earned here.

However, there is an argument, that I would tend to agree with, in that it is free money for Thailand, i.e. earned outside of Thailand but spent here, plus it is not denying a local of employment.

1 minute ago, Speedo1968 said:

16,000gbp or more in savings.

Unfortunately he is going to need more than that if his wife is coming with him to the UK for a year, the only UK visa that would allow that is a Settlement one.

A visit visa would allow a max. of 6 months and that is all she would be allowed to get and stay for for that year.

If they want to be together for the duration of the ban, then they need to look at the alternatives closer to here again.

4 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

30 day tourist visa in it issued by the Thai Consulate in Hong Kong

Apologies then, as that is a first, must be something to do with the ETD validity, never heard of a 30 day visa before!

16 minutes ago, Negita43 said:

It is so confusing

 

What I have in my new passport is:

 

1. A 30 day tourist visa transferred from the temporary travel document I was given at the Thai Embassy in Hong Kong.

 

2. An extension of stay on this visa until August 6th.

 

So now after reading this on the link referred to by OJAS

"With a visa exempt exempt entry you use a TM87 form visa application form instead of a TM86 change of visa status form".

 

I'm totally confused

I think what you are trying to say is that you entered Thailand on a ETD issued by the British Embassy in HK, immigration stamped you in on a 30 day visa exempt entry, this entry stamp has been transferred to the new UK passport and this you have since extended by a further 30 days? (originally you stated 90 days, but I don't think that is possible on a visa exempt, 60 days would be if you were married, unless the IO gave you 30 days originally and then a further 60 days for being married perhaps)

I am no expert, so will let UJ confirm regarding which TM form you need to submit to change from a visa exempt to a non-o, although looking at the forms it should be TM.87 as TM.86 is to change visa and you do not have a visa.

49 minutes ago, superal said:

Or using an agency who will mostly guarantee a result at a price

I have to admit that I do not understand how an agent can make any guarantees (mostly or not) when the applicant / sponsor are only going to provide the same amount of information as they would applying themselves, I do agree that there are inconsistencies in the way that visa applications are granted or denied, that is possibly due to the ECO at the time, different ECO's will define the guidelines differently? In most cases here in Thailand, the applicants would be in in a similar position to the OP, so trying to demonstrate a viable reason to return to Thailand is going to be difficult, if you use the logic that a 12,000 THB a month job can be dumped, most advise against using Children or Family as a reason, Land or property won't go away, so could also be dismissed as a reason by the ECO, in reality most things could be.

I tend to agree with the other posters now, 2 months was too much to ask for initially and this is why they want to contact the employer, perhaps not so much as to verify the employment, more to verify the two months absence from work, as they will be wondering why she is employed at all if the employer can do without her for 2 months.

Visa card as in credit card or a visa in your passport???

As others said, could be the TM.6 (Arrival / Departure card) perhaps.

12 hours ago, SirBuwanaDogbossKing said:

It is possible, just go down the escalators.

Not any more! the path is blocked, take a look next time.

She can apply for a UK visit visa in her own right, she should qualify if the application is done correctly.

Getting a settlement (wife) visa would be a different ball game, not sure how this could be handled given the opposite to normal circumstances, there are members that will know though.

Would she be able to earn this same money working from the UK?

The thing that needs addressing by the looks of it is proving to the ECO that your girlfriend intends on returning back to Thailand at the end of the proposed visit, this is obviously what is causing the refusal, take a look at her situation and try to provide a meaningful reason why she would return.

A job to return to is certainly one reason and should definitely be included, provide the mobile number of her employer for sure, did her employer state that this LOA was granted in the letter?

Are the other reasons you can find, does she own any property, land etc.? The more the better.

Most everything else you have clearly shown the ECO, i.e. proven relationship, enough funds available for the sponsorship for her holiday and so on, however, until she can show that she will return to the satisfaction of the ECO, then the refusals will keep on coming I'm afraid.

Having or not having an entry / exit stamp for another country isn't really that important, as it may be possible to use an e-gate at the other country, a Singaporean (or a Singapore PR) doing a bounce run to Singapore as an example.

The plain fact is that what was proposed is illegal and it would be extremely difficult to actually achieve, you physically cannot get from departures to arrivals in any Thai International airport that I am aware of, it used to be possible at Suvarnabhumi, that avenue is no longer available even if you wanted to.

The whole exercise seems to me to be stupid in any case, why on earth would you go to all the trouble of purchasing a flight, checking in, going through immigration, then hang around in one of the worse places to wait at, waiting for the return aircraft to arrive and then nip back through immigration again, if going to all that trouble you might as just board the plane in the first place and save the hassle and possible arrest!

The tax allowances for 2017 have increased from the link UJ provided, the progresive tax percentages remain the same up to the higher earning brackets, where you would be better off.

Source: http://www.mazars.co.th/Home/Doing-Business-in-Thailand/Tax/New-Thai-personal-income-tax-structure

Tax allowances shall be revised as follows:

• The personal allowance will increase from 30,000 baht to 60,000 baht, and where the taxpayer and spouse both earn taxable income, the maximum deduction for both of them would be 120,000 baht.
• The spouse allowance will increase from 30,000 baht to 60,000 baht.
• The child allowance will increase from 15,000 baht per child (capped at 3 children) to 30,000 baht per child (uncapped).
• The allowance for an estate would increase from 30,000 baht to 60,000 baht.
• The allowance for a non-juristic partnership or a non-juristic body of persons would increase from 30,000 baht for each individual (capped at 60,000 baht) to 60,000 for each individual (capped at 120,000 baht).

The progressive tax rates shall be revised as follows:

Can the OP use the Authenticator app? I and several others use this to access the GG sites, the code changes every few seconds, not sure how you would set it up initially though, being an existing user.