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9 minutes ago, johng said:

 

From my experience  they will not issue a new book  just update the details in the old book .

When the number plates change they give you a new  "tax disc"  to reflect the new number  I cant remember if they make you pay again for new tax or just re issue with new number...

The police seem to be increasingly vigilant about  Tax stickers missing or out of date etc.

also remember that you should update the details on your insurance.

John, thanks, then there is hope, as the page with my details on it will not change, it might be worth seeing if they will accept a Chonburi based work permit in that case, it was part of the check list that BMW gave to me (translated from Thai by them).

Thanks, that is useful info.

I will add that I am more than a little miffed with BMW Finance, as they could and should have informed of the need to get two residency certificates, as explained before I did have to get one from the British Embassy so that they could change the information in the Bangkok issued blue book, had I have known it would have been a relatively simple task to get two of them, either at the same time, or another appointment shortly afterwards, albeit an expensive way!

It would have resolved my current issue though!

One thing I'm really not clear on and cannot remember from the last time, is whether Chonburi will issue a complete new book for the car, or just modify the existing one to reflect the new plates? (I asked about the yearly registration tax and BMW seemed to think that I would just continue to use the one on the car now, even though the registration number will end up being different, this was renewed in August, so has quite sometime left, when it is time to renew next August, they said Chonburi area would issue a new one then with the new number)

If the latter, then I might be able to get away with showing them the Chonburi work permit as proof of province so to speak, it would be cheating a little I know, but.......... !!!!

Not sure I convoluted it, circumstances did!

Thanks for the tip ref. Chonburi DLT, I did go through this process in the late Nineties at the office in Chonburi and renewed my licence there one time, so know where where it is.

Will update once done.

5 minutes ago, johng said:

I've never head of them forcing a change of province before, what I mean by that is the car is already properly legally registered to you with Bangkok plates and Bangkok address yes ??
Why are they forcing the change ?

It's quite normal for them to insist on province change when changing owners (new owner lives in different province)

John, I am not forcing the change, far from it, ideally I'd like to leave it Bangkok, it is DLT that are forcing it.

Without trying to get too far off topic, the story goes like this.

Car was purchased from German Auto in Bangna in July 2014 utilising finance from BMW, was asked at the time if I wanted to use Bangkok or Chonburi plates, opted for Bangkok as there was an additional cost from the dealer of 4,000 Baht for them to do in Chonburi, was told it was not an issue to do this, at the time it wasn't.

I was working and living in Chonburi at the time of purchase, so used the Chonburi based work permit for registration purposes, the blue book had both BMW finance address (All Seasons Place, Bangkok and the company address in Chonburi where I was working at.

Was laid off in Chonburi in January this year and started working for a Bangkok based company in March (also based at All Seasons Place!!), hence why the extension of stay etc. was moved from Chonburi to Bangkok immigration.

As stated, I really do not want to use a Bangkok address, as it is a temporary situation and do need to use what I consider as my permanent address in Chonburi.

BMW Finance are telling me that the regulations changed earlier this year and even if it is the same owner, then if the province changes, then so must the plates, in fact a friend of mine had the same situation a couple of weeks back with a Honda Accord that was purchased on Bangkok plates, upon paying off his finance, same thing, as his work permit is based in Chonburi.

I do still have a copy of the Chonburi work permit and this copy is still valid date wise, it is obviously cancelled with the labour department, however according to BMW, DLT would only check the date on the copy to accept it, however, still need to use my home address, not an old company one.

The strange part is, the Bangkok issued blue book, with the original plates, now has my name and Chonburi address in it as owner, it is just that according to BMW, these plates will be cancelled and I have the 15 days to go to Chonburi DLT to get them to issue new plates and blue book, apparently this can be done in just a few hours, as Bangkok DLT have informed Chonburi of this need and a plate is already allocated, this part we will see about.

Unfortunately it is no longer an option to leave the car registered in Bangkok, if it was then I definitely would do, after I paid the finance off on the car I was told that as I wanted to use a Chonburi address then I HAD to change the registration from Bangkok to Chonburi, as the DLT changed the rules earlier this year to basically back to what it was a few years back, i.e. the car has to be registered in the same province as your address, tried reasoning with them, but to no avail.

On page 18 of the blue book there is writing in Thai that apparently says that I have 15 days to do this from 30th November 2016, which is actually today, of course I didn't get the blue book back from the finance company until yesterday!!! 

I will get fined for this, no worries there, using a Bangkok address is not really a good option, as this is a temporary situation, plus DLT would not accept the company address for the car registration (they will for a company, not individuals, they used to before!!)

All I can do in reality is go to the immigration in Jomtien and give it a go, all understood about the address in Bangkok, there in lies the issue for a lot of things, as you cannot get an extension of stay to work in Bangkok based on a Chonburi address, it has to be in Bangkok, so if I change this, then get issues later on when the extension is due, unfortunately it is not possible to have two addresses.

As I will go to Singapore today for one day, then on entry in to Thailand, I will write the Chonburi address on the TM.6, as I always do, then try to reason it that way! (not hopeful mind!)

40 minutes ago, elviajero said:

You could try at Jomtien, but unless you do a formal change of address It's unlikely that they will issue a residence certificate.

Last reports were that they were not checking whether any TM30 / TM28 have been submitted to issue the RC, however, this could be possible now of course.

I'm mainly concerned that they may reject due to the visa related stuff being issued in Bangkok.

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Its an interesting question..jomtien seem to be quite easy going about issuing these certificates all you need is "an address" could be hotel or condo that you are staying in at the moment...nudge nudge wink wink

Well, suppose I'll have to wing it and see, no choice really.

Quick question, I need to change my car registration from Bangkok to Chonburi province, one of the things I've just been told I need to produce is another residence certificate to do this. (despite having just given one to the Department of Land and Transport in Bangkok to get the blue book and address changed after paying off the finance, that one was gotten from the British Embassy and not an option this time, as only have a few days to complete the registration of the car in Chonburi and earliest available appointment at the embassy is 3rd Jan 2017)

No real issue to go to Jomtien Immigration to get a residence certificate from them apart from the fact that the current extension of stay in my passport was issued by CW Immigration in Bangkok, anybody got any idea if this will be an issue for getting the residency certificate issued in Jomtien?

Basically, my main residence is in Chonburi province, but the work permit and immigration stuff is in Bangkok, where I work Mon - Fri, hence why they differ.

Terry, for the outbound flight then this could be useful, as it will not flag up the need for a visa, so upon check in he can show her British passport only.

The main reasoning (for me) would be to avoid any confusion, as the daughter has been to the UK before. but on her Thai passport with a UK visa, hence why I'd be coy at not showing this passport to check in staff unless i had to, not that anything is amiss, just saves any unnecessary hassle if a inquisitive check in staff spotted this and started asking questions why, easy enough to answer and would not stop the flying part, just believe in an easy life if possible!

Though I suppose in reality it works the other way around when departing UK back to Thailand, would just find it easier to explain.

+ 1 for Lopburi 3 & Patrick's replies, apart for the need for the birth certificate, if she has a Thai passport then the immigration would have no reason to question her citizenship and also she has used her Thai passport before.

Never had an issue doing it the way described with either of my children, both hold Thai and British passports.

He will certainly have to show the airline staff her British passport whilst checking in, if it was me, I'd refrain from showing her Thai passport at that point, unless asked.

If the air tickets are booked online, then make sure he uses her United Kingdom details in the booking if required.

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't agree with the present diktat ( if someone wants to live and spend money in LOS, why not? ), but I can understand that a person under 50 without a WP living in Thailand would be suspected of working illegally.

Absolutely agree 100%, this can be averted by the requirement to prove that you can support yourself for the duration, which doesn't really differ from the retirement / marriage (or child support) routes.

There have been several references to the rules of other countries, UK, US etc. again agree, the difference is that this information is available and known, here it is a case of finding out once it is too late and it is not necessarily uniform, but hey TIT!

I am I missing something, the OP clearly states he just obtained his third TV from Penang, so by definition has entered on two before, therefore 2 x TV = 120 Days, 2 x extensions = 60 days, so total number of possible days would be 180 on two TV, not 250 days?

Unless one of them was ME, the intimation in his posts are they were SE?

Many reports now of this 180 day alert on the immigration system.

WOW I can't imagine why any foreigner would even attempt to leave the country just using this card! Strange idea given that they would be stamped in to the country when they arrived with their passport!

The way I understand the Pink ID card is that it was originally introduced to keep track of the migrant workers of neighbouring countries, especially for those without a passport, or any other form of travel document or ID, it seems to have since been adopted by the Thai authorities for foreigners who are eligible to have one.

The issue with that is in it's origins, as technically the holder of the pink ID card is not supposed to go outside of the issuing authorities jurisdiction, so if it is issued in Banglamung district for instance, then they are supposed to stay in that area only, the ones being issued to yellow book holder Farangs also states this on the back in Thai, of course they still have the option of using a passport or D/L.

I'm not saying whether you can or cannot use the card for whatever and wherever in Thailand, just saying that if it is looked at properly by whoever is being offered it, then it could possibly cause issues if this is not in the area that it was issued in and if you have no other form of ID in the way of a passport or Thai D/L etc. with you.

+1 on the definition of resident, I don't want to start a different thread, however, this from the Thai Revenue Department website and their definition of a resident in Thailand.

"Taxpayers are classified into “resident” and “non-resident”. “Resident” means any person residing in Thailand for a period or periods aggregating more than 180 days in any tax (calendar) year."

1 hour ago, muzmurray said:

 

 

Which is it? Do they want to stay here or not? You have argued both sides!

Disagree, these were just used as examples, maybe that was a bad one, not all have families etc. (if they did then they have a visa route) they may just want to be here for the fun, could really be any reason, whatever it is they still spend money.

Of course I am not suggesting such, don't really see why you would insinuate that even!

However, if a person chooses to work in a place other than Thailand and then spend time here in between these work assignments, then what is so wrong with that?

I'd imagine that their contribution to Thailand is not insignificant, all of the purchases made attract 7% VAT, accommodation, food, supporting families etc. etc. 

Or maybe Thailand should stop any foreigners coming, without disparaging those retired here, then what more are they contributing in that sense?

Fact is that these type of people are not in Thailand as tourists in the pure sense of the word, but they are, without any doubt at all, contributing to the Thai Economy and for the large part abiding by Thai law.

I've lived in Thailand for nearly 28 years (so more than half of my life), the first 13 of those was in a similar situation, during that time, had a ball in my younger days, then got married, had children, property purchased and so on, the last 15 have been spent working here, paying income tax, social security and so on, to be frank, I don't see that there is much difference between the two, other than I don't have to leave, sure the seemingly (to me!!) vast amount of income tax that I've paid over the years has contributed to the economy, though with really no benefit to me other than being here.

As a footnote, the other big advantage for the Thai Economy is that the money being spent by these guys has been earned overseas, so it is 'free money' for the economy, which of course, is why tourism is so important to most countries.

1 minute ago, muzmurray said:

 

There is, and you already mentioned it, the Elite scheme. The cost would be a drop in the ocean to most of the O&G guys.

Only if their long term plans include staying in Thailand for at least 5 years, otherwise not and a lot of these O & G guys do not necessarily have employment right now and no immediate prospects of one, so the 500,000 THB might not be such a drop in the ocean under the current situation, especially when they don't know where the next employment might be.

To my mind, the Elite programme is a perfect solution for a wealthy under 50 year old that isn't working, so therefore can get value out of it.

A friend of a friend had issues entering back at Suvarnabhumi airport the other day, basically he was pulled aside and was told this was because he was on his 6th visa exemption entry and had accumulated 180 + days in Thailand within one year (I'm assuming it is one year from the first entry, not a calendar year) then there is a flag that comes up on the system.

They did let him in, but he was told that next time he MUST get a visa, otherwise he will be refused entry.

Definitely seems to be a trend with all the other reports.

Can't say that I blame immigration, it isn't normal tourist behaviour to do this and it would raise suspicion as to why, the problem is that if somebody is under 50 and not married to a Thai or working here, then apart from getting tourist visas or the joining the Elite programme, then the legal options to stay in Thailand are nil, this particular guy is just waiting out for a new job in the Middle East and doesn't want to go back to UK, especially now!

Must be a lot of folks in this situation right now, with the downturn in the O & G industry, a lot still have the means to stay here, don't work, contribute to the economy etc.

Shame that there can't be some sort of visa for these folks, so that it becomes a win win situation.

8 hours ago, thenewgoo said:

No.  the TM30 was another issue - this was  all about the 90 day reporting.

I am certain it must be misguided advice, I always count the 90 days from the day I enter the country again, as do most.

Below from the immigration website on the subject, seems clear to me, as if you left the country prior to being there for 90 continuous days, then there would be no need for a report.

Note

The notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days is in no way equivalent to a visa extension.

If a foreigner staying in the kingdom over 90 days without notifying the Immigration Bureau or notifying the Immigration Bureau later than the set period, a fine of 2,000.- Baht will be collected. If a foreigner who did not make the notification of staying over 90 days is arrested, he will be fined 4,000.- Baht.

If a foreigner leaves the country and re-enters, the day count starts at 1 in every case.

9 minutes ago, sam84320 said:

Why 60 days? A visa based on marriage is not supposed to be extended 1 year ??

Because the OP clearly stated that he does not have a visa, he entered on a visa exemption, i.e. 30 days and wants to extend that by a further 60 days, which he can do as he is married to a Thai citizen.

4 hours ago, monkey4u said:

To stop truck overloading, start with pick ups

They were never designed to carry 5 tonnes plus

But the fools who replace the rear springs with heavy sets think its all good

Look mum I can make my truck lift the front wheels every time I try to stop 

So true, the fools that do this conveniently forget that the wheel studs and brakes etc. were designed for the original payload of the truck (the same applies to the LGV / HGV as well) then stand around in amazement when the studs or similar break off at some point, seen this so many times and will keep on seeing it, no point in 'upgrading' the rear springs really!

14 hours ago, surat04 said:

Tesco have them on their website

Wonder where they originate from?