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20 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

It must be pretty humiliating not to have your own currency any more. Never mind, the Germans will look after your Euros for you ????

You forget, Netherlands is already several decades an economic member state of the Bunderrepublik. Thanks also to the Germans, our money keeps its value.  Ask the many British pensionado's in Thailand, with their 65K monthly income.. in THB.

1 minute ago, nkg said:

 

Don't you have to pay a minimum of 100 euros a month for access to the Dutch healthcare system? With an "excess" of 385 euros?

I'll stick to the NHS thanks.

In the UK, the NHS is paid by the "Big Common Wallet" called the UK treasury. Or did you think, all was "free"= paid by the money trees in the NHS-buildings ?

In NL we at least can SEE what is paid:

about a € 120/month or € 1500/year per person direct + an own "risk" of € 385/year per person + 6,75 % of our gross income + rest.. from the "Big Common Wallet". Look at teh Dutch National Budget and you see a € 85 BILLION is paid to health service, with an additional € 10 B from the Social Security for those who need long time care ( mentally ill, dementia etc ) see file:///C:/Users/gebuiker/Downloads/0_Miljoenennota%20(1).pdf, page 10

So, a €uro 5700 per person per year.

In case you cannot pay in the NL, you get a "health subsidy". 

For the UK, see  https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_health_care_spending_10.html  :  In 2020, health care spending is budgeted at £162.0 billion.  * 1,17 towards €uro / 65 milion British = € 2880 per person.  No wonder, patients have to sleep on the floor.

See also:  https://e-health-com.de/fileadmin/user_upload/dateien/Downloads/redesigning_health-eu-for2020-ehtf-report2012_01.pdf  or  https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_expenditure_statistics  

42 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Would the flour be self raising?

When I saw how Boris reacted… I hope the floor in NHS-hospitals will be large enough… I even did not see this ever in Thailand.

1 minute ago, DrTuner said:

I took the liberty of predicting the future...

 

And.. when they form the Gaelic (con)federation, just like Belgium is a 4-"nation"federation, even no discussion about re-entering the EU.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

I simply compare it to guilder/euro, from 12/6 to 1 after WWII to almost 1 to 1.

And there is no reason at all why this trend would change structurally now.

I remember, in my young years, the mid-60's, when the GBP was Hfl 10,64 (or DM 11,82 or €uro 5,91)

I must say: the British really know how to adapt to increasing competiton: just decrease the value of the GBP.

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

Still complaining we did not know what we voted for- we did we voted to LEAVE the oppressive, dictatorial and anti democratic EU

"oppressive, dictatorial and anti democratic EU" Please explain.

No rule has ever passed in the EU without the signature of the British representative, in the EU council ( by the British PM, elected by the British voters) or the EU Commission ( by the British commissioner, appointed by the British government) 

In the third cremum, the EU Parliament, also British representatives are elected, like all others by their own voters.

No way like in the UK, the minority can overrule the mayority ( 43,6% of the votes get 56% of the seats = Cons, resp. 11,5% of the votes get only 1,7% of the seats = LibDem resp. 3,9% of the votes get 7,4% of the seats, DUP) ,

Of even.. a part of Parliament is appointed, like the British House of Lords.

2 hours ago, poohy said:

As a joke... I can appreciate it.

As reality: NEVER, unless, we face a crook like Mao, Stalin, Hitler of Fat Boy Kim

39 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Have you ever been tested for colour blindness?

Very clear, which parts of Nothern Ireland will change for Eire and which parts of the North will leave for independance.  Or you think, Boris will send the army to block that ?

8 hours ago, nkg said:

 

And the referendum was only advisory! And what about the Brexit bus?

350 million pounds a week for the NHS, so no children have to await treatment on the flour there anymore… 

8 hours ago, nkg said:

 

And the referendum was only advisory! And what about the Brexit bus?

350 million pounds a week for the NHS, so no children have to sleep on the flour there anymore...

7 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Weird voting system.

Con got 13,905,634 votes and 363 seats.

Labor and lib together got 13.967.396 votes and 214 seats.

 

British democracy, based on the baronies of the Middle Ages.

And the Upper house ( Houdse of lords) based on appointments.

But .. a LOT of sentiment against the civil servants in the EU ( which is a Union of NATIONS), who are - as in nearly every country, appointed. The presidents of two out of the thee cremia ( EU Councill and Commissioners) are appointed by the heads of governement of the EU member states.

9 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

That negotiation will go well; I can just imagine all the goodwill waiting to be tapped...

 

Then, I guess, all those other negotiations for all those other trade deals just waiting to be had. Hmm.. I wonder how people are going to feel seeing Johnson going cap in hand to Trump for a deal, assuming that Trump is still President.

 

Congrats to those who wanted to leave the EU; it seems that you are going get your wish. 

 

That said, I can't shake the feeling that Brits, or what is left of the UK in 5 years, are going to look back at this day with great sadness. I suspect it'll be known as the day when it all really fell apart.

 

For the sake of my British friends, I sincerely hope that I am wrong, but...

Hopefully the British voters will think over the present power of the labour Unions in the election of the Labour Party leader.

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But I still think he is the best choice.

Fair enough. 

I pity the UK: a 65 million people country, no better leaders as these two, with a lousty election system, with in fact two choices: US or the ENNEMY.

Seen the mess, maybe better to try LibDem for just one time ?

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

He refused to even look at the picture of the sick boy sleeping on the floor of the hospital.

He could at least pretend to care.

But then he has a couple of children and seems not even to know how many - and some UK voters still want him. Amazing UK!

 

 

The only problem in the UK: what idiot next ? The Marxist-Leninist Corbyn ? Maybe the LibDem's could be an alternative, at least for one time ?

As "the winner takes it all", you must have guts in the UK to vote of one of the two, as big chance one of them got at least one vote more as nr 2 = get the (only) seat of that barony ( oh sorry: constituency) 

In NL, B, D you can vote for another party, as it adds up per country, not per one of the 650 baronies.

2 hours ago, wombat said:

this is a known and it is absurd it hasn't been talked about by anyone, politician or media.
its the elephant in the room.

So, what the minority in these 406 constituencies or the minority in the 242 others want: the F .ck. Even when the people's vote gives an other result !  British democracy ! !

The choice between narrow-minded English  nationalism ór an een archaïsc form of extreme left.

I wish the English whisdom. The Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish... will form a Gaelic co-federation with Eire inside the EU. Just like the Flamish wants Belgium to go for

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Or the children out of their cages along the border?

I wish all children in the world a much better future, but.. have to face the existing rules ( and .. what the citizens of that country allow to enter their country + social welfare.)

You would allow all children under 12 from Mexico till Terra de Fuego - Chile entrance to the USA ?

Think also of so many fugitives, inclusive children in the camps in Thailand.

19 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

So is  Guantanamo  Bay Detention  Center closed already?

In Guantanamo  Bay Detention  Center the number of detainee's is a little samller, with for everybody there a high reason to keep them there.