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7 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

A tough border between Scotland and England would take the whole Brexit process forward. Maybe they should give priority to the independence vote of the Scots.

That is suddenly not democratic anymore, as.. the Brexiteers could LOOSE that election. Hadrian would turn in his grave, laughing: "His" part of Brittania out of the New Roman Empire", and what HE left out, is in ...

9 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The UK electorate will get another chance (The EU will do anything they can to reverse a vote) to get the right result, that the EU want. Even if you are right, what happens if you lose again. Mass suicides because you didn't get your own way.

Look at it from another point of view (which maybe difficult for you)  the UK electorate can now get another chance, to see how manipulative the EU are and how the politicians have done their best, to ignore the first result. Then people can see just how stupid it is staying in the EU. I almost wish it would happen, so we can have 20 Nigel Farages in the EU Parliament every week, telling the EU the truth.

See in Goolge with "polls brexit regret", and you will see quite some British finally opened their eyes instead of believing Boris the Liar Johnson with his "£350M/wk for NHS".

Never the EU did anything to reverse this referendum. Why should they ? A LOT of UK businesses moved or are going to move to the EU, so.. a marvelous deal.

And the British... have till 12 April ( = <2 weeks) to find a way, as without… there will be no Nigel Farages nor any Brit voted into the EU parliament. Even Salvini ( Lega Nord) is completely convinced: NEVER leave the EU.

7 hours ago, vogie said:

I just wonder if France dare give their citizens a referendum on leaving the EU. 

All polls in Europe show, there is only a (small) minority for leaving the EU. So, why the fuzz to organise a referendum ?

Second: Thanks to the Brexit disaster entire Europe is now very well informed, what the consequences might be. Even Salvini ( Lega Nord) is completely convinced.

Third: the British NEVER had any attraction to the EU, but always with their minds half-a-way in the Atlantic. You can even see it when they open their mouth… NEVER: "excuse me, do you understand English", but.. even when they meet extra-terrestal life in a film, start to address themselves in English..

8 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

no deal has already been voted out  ????

So, rush to tell the EU what you really wants, as.. 12 April and no sight on a solution = OUT ( finally; should have been doen with Thatcher already ) . Remind: "you need two for tango". And with that, I do NOT mean: "Conservatives & Labour". 

2 hours ago, rocketman777 said:

WRONG!!!  The UK would be leaving under WTO rules, whereby they can set their own trade tariffs.

They can set zero trade traiffs with the EU if they wish and provided the EU reciprocates.

Wait and see how quickly Merkel will  want to deal once the UK operates with WTO rules

Yes, 10% import duty on cars and a LOT of Industrial products into the EU. Bye bye Nisan - Sunderland, bye Honda, back to Japan as no import duty into the EU from there, and Mini.. will be manufactured in Borne - Limburg - NL. Airbus.. gone. 13.7% import duty on sweets, confectionary etc, meat products, thanks to vertinary regulations: forget it.

The new slogan for tourism to Europe: "come to experience Europe, your job is already there"... 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Is this the bit where the EU members come begging capinhand for a deal with the UK?

No, 12 April 2019 the EU is finally going to do, what they should have doen with Thatcher: "OUT". 

8 hours ago, DoctorG said:

But would you stay in that flat if your neighbours told you what you could or could not do and kept interfering in your business?

I Always thought, that was in ANY appartement building. Or are you such a person, who opens the "noice-boxes" at 3 o'clock at night ?

Remind also: every step, every regulation, every directive a British representative was in, and voted for : "yes". In the council of Ministers of the council of government leaders = prime minister !

2 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, that was not what we were talking about, we were talking about Leave supporters claiming to have a majority opinion, a claim that doesn't stand up to the most basic of scrutiny, 2/3 of the populous either support Remain or do not give a damn, 2/3 of the populous do not support their agenda, 2/3 of the populous will not be crying when Brexit is cancelled, get that one through your head, Leave is a minority opinion.

Therefore it should be wise to have Always two additional choices:

a) go on together, I an neutral / satisfied with whatever comes out.

b) none of the above

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

So how many million on this march???

Compare it with the protest march just a few days ago: 1 million for "remain". 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Will that be after you learn how to do percentage calculations? It was the majority choice.
Maybe that’s why you think trade deal negotiations are also too difficult.

Yes, an historic , overwhelming, landslide, above any dream majority of 51,88 %. Only a mare 48,11 % voted for "remain". So, why uyopu British did not leave per direct ? Close the N-S Irish border, and stay on your own ? 

8 hours ago, blazes said:

A toff on a bike.  Boris will bring fun back to Brexit when May is here and May is gone.....

see for instance "investment in uk car industry plummets amid brexit uncertainty", and you will understand the "fun"= time enough to play carsds, as..nio jobs anymore. Mini to Born (NL), Honda back to Japan ( no import duty into the EU), Nissan banckrupt…, Airbus withdrawn… 

10 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

So he is saying what he said months ago and we all know. The deal is dead. Maybe TM and the EU should realise it also but both their arrogance seems won't allow it.

Please tell where you / the British want the border between UK and EU. That's all. Even about that, the British cannot come to a conclusion/agreement. The EU is finally going to do, what they should have done with Thatcher: "LEAVE "! 

For Denmark, NL, B, F, Spain, Portugal quite a loss in export, but also a big cut in competition from the UK and.. quite some industries and businesses moved / going to move to there.

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

   The E.U makes the laws and the UK abides  by them .

 

And in these law making bodies every member state has its representatives, so nothing "UK abides them": 

in the council of ministers ( the prime minister or the minister in charge, e.g. agricuture)

in the council of Commissioners ( Julian King)

in the EU parliament ( 75 UK members) 

47 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Farage has been too busy in his job as the UK Ambassador to the United States. ????

He has no time... has to join every breefing in how to get as much as possible pension from the EU, see "farage takes eu pension" in google, despite  Farage has attended 40% of roll-call votes, the worst voting record of all British MEPs at the European parliament.  The pro-remain MEP Julie Girling, expelled from the Tories after clashing with the leadership over Brexit, tweeted that she had “never seen so many Ukip members attend a meeting in Strasbourg before”. For a € 8.500 tax-free per month… worth the few additional trips.

6 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Pie in the sky thinking. Parliament will not let a no-deal occur, even if they have to pass legislation to prevent it. 

You need two for tango.

11 April the U.K. has to agree with EU Parliamentarty voting of.. 23 May.. out.

Remind: quite some industries have to secure their raw materials and spare parts/components. Only God knows, how many already replaced UK origin for continental EU origin. You will see that from June 2019 onwards.

6 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Depends on the options in any future referendum - if MPs decide to take this route.

 

If it was:-

1) Accept the eu/may deal

2) Leave immediately

 

I think the vote would go to 'leave immediately', as even remainers know that the eu/may 'deal' is the worst possible option?

There are a few other options like:

3) Stay in the EU, but with another deal (Swiss / Norway / Canadian deal )

4) Forget the entire Brexit operation as a stupid / bad dream

For a new referendum, all options must be available.

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Because people can change their minds - that applies to both remainers and leavers - now having a much better idea of the Brexit outcome.

 

However, I suspect that the 'will of the people' as at today is more inclined to vote remain, especially the young who will have to carry the burden of a bad deal. 

TOO LATE.. 11 April a YES to join the EU Parliament election and if No = out 23 May. After over 3 years of getting air molecules to vibrate ( discussions they call it in the UK), the EU patience is over.

8 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Unless there is EU intervention on May's deal, I can't see how it could be amended and supported by a house majority - and unless parliament vote to accept an unchanged deal, Bercrow wouldn't allow a third reading. Even if he did, it is likely to be defeated again.

 

And if May tries to rundown to a no-deal exit it is assured parliament would pass legislation to prevent it, which could lead to a general election - which could mean the EU would extend Article 50.

 

And then there is the referendum choice, which I suspect would be a cop-out by the government and parliament - but it could happen.

With a new election, I hope the British voters will remind, who were in favour for a Brexit (without any conditions) and who for a Remain. Maybe better NOT to elect any of the Conservatives nor Labour, who both made a mess of it.

Still: The UK has to make up its mind before 11 April if it will join the EU Parliament election of.. be thrown out 23 of May. After over 3 years of talking, quite some EU citizens, but especially procurement managers are fed op with the uncertinaty.

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Unless there is EU intervention on May's deal, I can't see how it could be amended and supported by a house majority - and unless parliament vote to accept an unchanged deal, Bercrow wouldn't allow a third reading. Even if he did, it is likely to be defeated again.

 

And if May tries to rundown to a no-deal exit it is assured parliament would pass legislation to prevent it, which could lead to a general election - which could mean the EU would extend Article 50.

 

And then there is the referendum choice, which I suspect would be a cop-out by the government and parliament - but it could happen.

11 March, you have to decide to join for EU Parliament election of not. Not = 23 May out.

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

That's right. The future relations eg trade with the EU.

Which trade deals ? 

The manufacturing (make) industry will be crippled with a 10 + % import duty, the sweets/confectionary industry will be wrecked by 13,7+% import duty. Result: many is OR transferred to the continent, or will be soon , but especially: is replaced by continental production. Less fuzz.

The meat industry can forget it seen all vertinary regulations, and the financial sector already transferred a lot, with more to come.

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Until this week Brexiteers and very specifically Rees-Mogg and the ERG were vehemently opposed to TM’s deal, it was RM told us worse than remaining.

 

TM’s deal has not changed.

 

So how does TM offering to resign make her deal more acceptable?

 

A logical explanation from any Brexit supporter welcome.

Ask Boris the Liar Johnson, who switched in the beginning as having one and one wish only: become prime minister, whatever the consequenses are for the U.K.

10 hours ago, wayned said:

Parliament has voted down all of the 8  options and Speaker Bercow has said that he will not let her accept the bill for the third time , what now?

Being kicked out of the EU 12 March or latest 23 May.  I prefer the last, as then more British industies have time for under EU cusatoms regulations for transfers of machinery etc. to migrate to continental EU.