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tabien baan he is registered against, mothers tabien baan (usually same) mothers thai id, Fathers Id(passport), thai birth cert for child both parents signatures and leave 2 hours later with the new passport.

Again I have to ask when did you the passport that quick. They stopped producing permanent passports at embassies years ago.

Since the OP wants to get the passport in the states. The embassy in DC states this "The duration of the operation takes between 4-6 weeks" Info in Thai is here: http://thaiembdc.org/th/%E0%B8%AB%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%B1%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%AA%E0%B8%B7%E0%B8%AD%E0%B9%80%E0%B8%94%E0%B8%B4%E0%B8%99%E0%B8%97%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%87/

They can do temporary passports but normally will only issue them if a person needs it to travel somewhere besides Thailand.

sorry was unclear. once he gets to thailand this can be done at the amphur. i did it last for my daughter and her little sister last january.

given the simplicity of the process i would recommend travelling on the US passport and doing the thai passport here. they even take the photo for you.

I have my son's original Birth Certificate, a copy of the family book page with him on it, and since my wife is in Thailand, a letter notarized by her Ampur allowing me as a single parent to get him the passport and for him to travel on it.

We leave Aug 7.

You keep saying that a Thai person cannot be denied entry to Thailand. When given proof, you troll.

There's no helping some people, especially those who have the time to type gibberish posts.

That's not correct. Someone else posted Thai law from the last go around saying exactly that.

Pay close attention:

• Wyn Ellis is not Thai.
• My son is Thai.
• The previous set of laws explicitly stated that a Thai could not be denied entry to his own country.
• Stating a fact is not trolling.
• I started this thread to get information so I can decide on a plan.

Why would I troll my own thread? You should ask yourself, what your post contributed. Stop blaming me and look to yourself. What was your contribution? Wyn Ellis?

I'm sorry. I thought you were trolling and I apologise.

Instead you are simply wrong.

Wyn Ellis is Thai.

Did they let him in?

Yes.

I'm correct. Thank you for proving that.

You keep saying that a Thai person cannot be denied entry to Thailand. When given proof, you troll.

There's no helping some people, especially those who have the time to type gibberish posts.

That's not correct. Someone else posted Thai law from the last go around saying exactly that.

Pay close attention:

1. Wyn Ellis is not Thai.
2. My son is Thai.
3. The previous set of laws explicitly stated that a Thai could not be denied entry to his own country.
4. Stating a fact is not trolling.
5. I started this thread to get information so I can decide on a plan.

Why would I troll my own thread? You should ask yourself, what your post contributed. Stop blaming me and look to yourself. What was your contribution? Wyn Ellis?

You stand a chance of losing that bet. It is a different situation entirely, but google:

Wyn Ellis

That gentleman is a dual UK-Thai citizen and he was arrested and detained at Suvarnabhumi. It took the British ambassador and a personal appearance from the Director of the National Intelligence Agency of Thailand to get him released, after publications like Time featured his plight.

I know this is an extreme case, but nonetheless it happened, and it happened to a respected Thai government advisor.

Men and women sit on death row here in America even though DNA evidence shows that they could not possibly have been involved in the murders they were charged with.

My Uncle Abe is able to twist a cherry stem into a double slip knot with just his tongue.

His wife Mabel was a star in the Clemson Circus capable of walking on a bed of nails and other bizarre behaviors.

You may be wondering what all this has to do with my dual national boy.

Absolutely nothing.

Should I read about Wyn Ellis again?

The big takeaway from this animal is that he already had a child. One would assume the child he biologically fathered was a bit heartier and used to the abuse. What happens to these animals when they reach a Thai Prison? Are they treated differently by the other criminals?

Section 34 of the 2007 Thai Constitution says,

"Deporting a person of Thai nationality or denying a person of Thai nationality entrance into the Kingdom cannot be done."

However this section of the constitution was repealed on 20th May 2014.

What this means is that there is no law guaranteeing any thai citizen entry to Thailand. In the absence of law, you (and everyone else) is absolutely at the mercy of the most senior immigration officer on duty, and the Minister of Immigration if you choose to appeal an adverse decision.

In reality, of course, there is almost never a problem, but even with 1 in a million odds 30 people entering Thailand this year could have problems.

We get closer.

I am sure that if one looks they will find something similar. The intent of the people is exactly as I expected.

I'm betting that you cannot deny a Thai Citizen entrance to his own country any more than Border Patrol in the USA can deny me entrance.

Exactly. That's what you should tell the immigration officer.

Everyone one of you #*$&*$(*$* has a an opinion.

Let me state it yet again.

Show me the law.

The easiest way to find out would be to ask the immigration officer who won't let your kid back into Thailand on his Thai passport. And just like back in the US, don't grab the officer's service weapon when you don't get your way. Just because it isn't written down doesn't mean it's allowed.

:-)

I DO NOT BELIEVE that by Thai Law, a Thai Citizen, a MINOR Thai Citizen can be denied entry to his own country. Show me the law.

It sounds reasonable to me. When we left Thailand he had a brand new US Passport and no Thai Passport. They adjusted the passport to show an entry even though he was born in Thailand the entry occurred in a hospital OR.

Thank you for posting this information.

I have always wondered what, if anything, the Thai immigration officer stamps or writes, in addition to the regular departure stamp, in the passport of a person who was born in Thailand and for the first time in his life travels out of Thailand with his foreign passport. I understand that in the case of your son the officer made an entry in his US passport to indicate that he entered Thailand or arrived in Thailand on a specific date, this date being the date of his birth. I would be grateful if you posted or sent me via PM a scanned copy of the relevant passport page, but without showing the passport number (for reasons of confidentiality), as I am compiling an album of stamps and other entries made in passports, for reference purposes when a picture helps to explain something more clearly when answering questions in this forum.

Now you know. I sent you by PM a scan of my exit and my boy's exit stamp. Can you read the Thai that was added to his?

I don't understand. Why can't he leave on his US Passport and Enter on his Thai Passport on the Friendship bridge to Laos from Nong Khai? Why does he have to travel by air? Where is this written. It doesn't make logical sense to me. I get why an airplane is the holy grail. If he crosses a border by foot or donkey, what does it matter? He crossed a border.

You should be able to do this. Dual national foreigners have a problem switching at land borders, but as you son is Thai they cannot refuse him entry or legally insist he uses his US passport.

Show both passports to Thai immigration on exit and ask them to stamp departure stamps in both passports (fill out a departure card for the Thai passport as well as the US). If they do then use the Thai to enter and exit Laos and you'll have no problem entering Thailand with the Thai passport.

If Thai immigration won't play ball then show both passports to Laos immigration and ask that they use the Thai passport. If they do then use the Thai to enter and exit Laos and you'll have no problem entering Thailand with the Thai passport.

If the above doesn't work he will have to use his US passport when entering/exiting Laos. At the Thai border just show his Thai passport, the IO will almost certainly ask why there is no exit stamp in the Thai passport, at which point you can show the US passport and explain he wants to enter with his Thai passport. If the IO insists on using the US passport you should ask to see a supervisor. He is Thai and they cannot stop him entering as a Thai with proof that he is Thai.

It all sounds a bit messy, but a friend of mine had no problem doing this and the IO stamped departure stamps in his sons British and Thai passports on exit. Unfortunately, you can't insist on that being done if the child entered with a foreign passport, but there is nothing stopping the IO from doing so.

The issue at land borders is all to do with exit stamps to prove that the person has actually come from the neighbouring country.

It sounds reasonable to me. When we left Thailand he had a brand new US Passport and no Thai Passport. They adjusted the passport to show an entry even though he was born in Thailand the entry occurred in a hospital OR.

ur making this hard than it is.

arrive on US passport, go to Passport office, apply for passport with BC, ID card ( if he has one) Taam bien baan with his name on it

passport takes less than a week an will be ems'd to you,

Fly to PP, Malaysia, Laos wherever, exit on US passport

come back on Thai.

YOU cant exit on one passport and reneter on another by land, they look for stamps,need fly

I don't understand. Why can't he leave on his US Passport and Enter on his Thai Passport on the Friendship bridge to Laos from Nong Khai? Why does he have to travel by air? Where is this written. It doesn't make logical sense to me. I get why an airplane is the holy grail. If he crosses a border by foot or donkey, what does it matter? He crossed a border.

As a Thai dual national myself, phuketrichards answer is the correct one. Land borders insist you use the same passport on both sides.

Believe me, don't believe me.

You've been told what works. Just cause you don't like it isn't going to change it.

What is the law? There is myth and legend, and then there is law. I'll give you an example. Here in America, people think the Customs and Border people can do anything they want to you or they won't you into the country. That may be true if you aren't a US Citizen but if you are, you don't have to do anything, and they cannot deny you entry. They can ask you anything they want, but you don't have to answer. They can try to intimidate you but you ask for a supervisor and let them know that if they hold you for an unreasonable amount of time just because you won't tell them why you left the country, then you will sue them for deprivation of rights.

I do realize that this is Thailand, but what does the law say? What is written. There is a difference between the myth and the law. What is normally done in America is a violation of our rights. The law is different from what they do, until they realize you know the law.

So what is the actual law that governs these situations?

Not sure why anybody is trying to help this person, he seems to be rude and shoot down every answer that the helpful members post

If you are that knowledgeable about everything OP i'm surprised you don't already know the answer to your question, in fact why are you posting?

I went looking for the IGNORE setting but can't find one. You'd be my first.

I assume you are trying to contact the consular section of the embassy which is at a different location than the embassy. See: http://thaiembdc.org/contact/ They now have a contact form with no email address shown on that page. You might have better luck contacting the consulate in NY. See: http://www.thaicgny.com/%E0%B8%A0%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%A9%E0%B8%B2%E0%B8%AD-%E0%B8%87%E0%B8%81%E0%B8%A4%E0%B8%A9-english-version/about-us/

The passport application requires the applicant to be present to have their digital photo taken. It the same when done here. No digital photo is need for the CI.

On the subject of overstay there would be no reason for you child to be on an overstay. You could get him a one year extension of stay at immigration based upon being a returned Thai national. You could also get him a single entry non-o visa based upon being a Thai.

I've set up wide area networks with less complexity than this nonsense.

ur making this hard than it is.

arrive on US passport, go to Passport office, apply for passport with BC, ID card ( if he has one) Taam bien baan with his name on it

passport takes less than a week an will be ems'd to you,

Fly to PP, Malaysia, Laos wherever, exit on US passport

come back on Thai.

YOU cant exit on one passport and reneter on another by land, they look for stamps,need fly

I don't understand. Why can't he leave on his US Passport and Enter on his Thai Passport on the Friendship bridge to Laos from Nong Khai? Why does he have to travel by air? Where is this written. It doesn't make logical sense to me. I get why an airplane is the holy grail. If he crosses a border by foot or donkey, what does it matter? He crossed a border.

I don't think he would have to present when the application is done. I suggest you contact the embassy or the consulate in NY about it.

Listen Joe, I roll my eyes every time someone tells me to contact the embassy. I've tried contacting the embassy many times, by telephone, by fax, by email. They don't bother to respond. I do question how a form such as this could be issued sight unseen when they won't issue a passport unless he comes to the embassy.

get a certificate of identity that would allow him to enter the country as a Thai. Info and application form in Thai is here on DC embassy website. http://thaiembdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/C.I-updated-2016.pdf

My wife can fill this out for him. Does he have to go to the Embassy in order to have this issued?

I am assuming that I need to do nothing for him in the way of a visa, the 30 day stamp should be sufficient and he can overstay it all he likes.

I would be careful doing that as technically he would be an overstaying US citizen when entering on a US passport despite being born here, surely?

I'm told a child cannot overstay.

Children under the age of 15 do not pay overstay fines but do get overstay stamps when leaving the country.

Ok - so what? While in Thailand my wife and I will get him his Thai Passport. His US passport is only good for another 4 years and then it expires. The next time he leaves Thailand, he will leave on his US Passport. When he enters, he will use his Thai Passport which will be clean. From that point forward he will use his Thai Passport to enter and leave Thailand. The US Passport will be nothing more than a tool to get him in the first time.

You can't be telling me that this will somehow follow him to his Thai Passport? If we cross the border at Laos by land and he returns on his new Thai Passport, what could possibly be an issue? The US Passport won't be seen again.

I am assuming that I need to do nothing for him in the way of a visa, the 30 day stamp should be sufficient and he can overstay it all he likes.

I would be careful doing that as technically he would be an overstaying US citizen when entering on a US passport despite being born here, surely?

I'm told a child cannot overstay.

Looks like there is time to do the O-A as they are claiming 10 business day turnaround. That's 2 weeks to me.

Apply by mail

You can submit a completed visa application form (must be signed by the applicant)
and required documents to : Royal Thai Consulate-General 351 East 52nd Street
New York, NY. 10022

•We require you to enclose a self-addressed envelope sized 6" x 9" or
large enough to fit all passports with sufficient postage stamps. Metered stamps will not be accepted. ( Recommend using USPS Express mail )

•The fee must be paid by money order only, payable to “Royal Thai Consulate-General New York". Personal or company checks are NOT acceptable.

•Processing time takes 10 business days, plus mailing time.

•Please note that the Royal Thai Consulate General is not responsible for any loss or damage to your passport and documents due to mishandling by mail services.

My plans to get a Thai Passport at the NY Consulate have been dashed now that I've found out that although it is unwritten, getting a passport in less than 2 months is likely not possible and we leave for Thailand in a month and a half. That means my Thai boy 9, born in Thailand will have to enter with me using his US Passport.

I am assuming that I need to do nothing for him in the way of a visa, the 30 day stamp should be sufficient and he can overstay it all he likes. I on the other hand will enter with either an O or an O-A Visa.

What is the process to get my boy the Thai Passport and then move his entry from the US Passport to the Thai Passport. What if anything needs to be done with the US Passport showing the entry but no exit. His original US Passport when we left 7 years ago didn't show and entry or an exit and they fabricated an entry into his US passport when we went through immigration to board the plane.

They asked me if he was born here, to which I said yes, and then they took the original birth certificate and came back with his US passport properly stamped with both and exit and entry. That passport has since expired and he is on a new one.

What is the process to make him fully Thai again once we are there.

Did you find out information from the New York consulate website. Where did that information come from?

It taking weeks to get the passport is something I have known about for years. The application has to be sent to Bangkok for the passport to be produced then when done it is sent to the states.

I looked at the embassy NY and LA consulates websites and could not find any mention of how long it takes.

Here is what the London embassy website says.

"You are advised not to book your travels before receiving the passport. We cannot except any responsibility for cancellations.The current processing time for a Thai passport is between 6-8 weeks."

Source: http://www.thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/78

This throws everything into chaos. We are leaving the first week of Aug. From reading the NY and DC websites I had assumed a passport could be issued the next day as we had to show up to show them the boy. Now you're telling me I can't get it in time which means he will have to travel on his US passport.

I'm also not clear on this OA now, as from what I have read, getting the OA by going to the embassy is far faster than mail. I'm not sure what their mail response is, but it is cutting it close. I may have to request just an O visa and do the marriage with 400,000 baht in the bank deal when I get there.

I will start another thread.

Go with DTAC if your phone does not support 2100mhz as they have a faster/wider LTE channel in the 1800mhz band then AIS and True and a slower 2100mhz channel so your not missing out on too much

Ideally you want both bands as Thai companies have turned on LTE-advanced (carrier aggregation) meaning if your phone supports it you can access both bands at once but not as big of a deal with dtac

Yes, I came up with the same thought after seeing the DTAC advert.

Did you find out information from the New York consulate website. Where did that information come from?

I suggest you start a separate topic about your son's passport as otherwise this topic is going to get rather confusing.

I don't need to, it's not really relevant to the topic other than I have to show him physically to get a passport hence going to the NY Consulate rather than using mail. And mail would be out as they are claiming that mailing in the documents will take far longer than showing up at the Consulate with the same info.

No matter, I just sent another $13.00 and a request to the State of PA for a notarized signature so if I get it in time, I'll give them that. Matter closed.