rattlesnake

Most of the people I mentioned are young and were previously healthy, their ailments began either immediately or shortly after the shots. Denying the obvious is ridiculous.

Before 2021 I had never known any young healthy person who suffered from myocarditis.

Strange indeed… Maybe a phenomenon known as denial?

I know of 3 myocarditis cases, one woman (26 years old with no health issues) who died of a stroke 1 week after her 2nd Pfizer shot, 1 30 year-old who suffered a miscarriage, 2 people (63 and 66 years old) who developed severe arthrosis, one person who had a "health scare" after her 2nd AZ shot and spent a month in hospital (although I don't know any details), 1 who lost the use of his legs, 2 cases of debilitating tinnitus and 2 cases of chronic migraines. I am expecting to be told it doesn't prove anything etc., I'm saying it anyway. 2/3 of these people (those who are still alive) are certain of what caused their problems (the elephant in the room).

The 3 cases I know of were confirmed by doctors, 2 of these people were exempted from taking any other shots. If it was just me then it would be an extraordinary coincidence, but I have spoken to several people who shared similar experiences and observations. There is no need to overcomplicate things here, I can tell when something is wrong and I am far from being the only one who thinks this. Simply discarding it as "lack of understanding of science" or some other tortuous rationale does not cut it anymore.

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

It has nothing to do with "belief", real-world observation is key to this issue.

Not a strawman argument but recentering on the fundamental underlying issues. "No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines." Absolutely false, it has been repeated thousands of times, including on this forum and I have dozens of screenshots to prove it. "Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government." Typical attempt to portray those who oppose the Covid jabs as juvenile and dull-witted. The issue here is health, please refer to what I said yesterday about empirical observations.

As a passive system, VAERS is intrinsically subject to underreporting and that is what is shown in the study, GB is just an example, the issue is percentage of actual cases vs. reports. An honest person can only validate and take this factor into account.

Let's pick up this conversation in a few weeks.

If you thing VAERS data is invalid then you should never use it as part of your argumentation out of dialectic coherence. VAERS is a passive reporting system and the key sensitive issue with these systems is underreporting, as explained in this 2020 article about anaphylaxis and Guillain-Barré syndrome. You can see in the Results section that the actual cases captured by VAERS is consistently low: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X20312548?via%3Dihub Usually an underreporting factor (URF) is established but this was never done with the Covid jabs. Now in spite of your comparisons (which I fully understand, no need to repeat), as I said previously the compelling data which is causing such widespread resistance to these shots is the empirical data, i.e. real-world observations which are occurring everywhere and increasingly difficult to ignore despite the absence of media coverage. Thank you.

Too bad for me then, I will stay in my irrational bubble of ignorance and lunacy. I will leave "the science" to the higher IQs. Fortunately I am very lucky despite my limited intellect, as I am in full health and never caught Covid, which is not the case of many of my more discerning acquaintances who are struggling with an array of ailments despite their trust and understanding of "the science". Unfair indeed, I should be the one struggling with Covid and its complications but it's not happening.

I am surprised that you are using the VAERS system as a basis for your reasoning as you told rumak yesterday it was flawed and not a credible source… Empirical observation supersedes everything. I did not say 'I know someone,' I said "I know 3 people'. That is 3 more than in my previous 40 years of existence. At this point, denying there is a problem is just presposterous.

Right, so you know first-hand what informed consent is. All the people I know who were jabbed were never told there were any risks. What they were told was that if they did not do it, they would lose their job and not be allowed to enter public places. Enough said.

I know 3 people who developed myocarditis after the Covid jab, all young and healthy, they were given medical exemptions from taking any more as the correlation with the jab was established by doctors. One of them is an 18 year-old who is still struggling 10 months on (his parents are very distressed as they encouraged him to do it), another one is a thirty year-old who was hospitalized several times and felt horrible pains for weeks on end. All of them feel angry and betrayed for not having been warned of the risks. These are empirical observations, i.e. reality, all the rest is just BS.

During Covid they all dropped like flies apart from pensioners who no longer need to make a living.

Agree with the lao khao, that stuff screws up your stomach bad and is prevalent everywhere.

Lots of Thai women seem to like "detox" coffees which don't really detoxify you of anything but are really laxatives. I assume the irritation this causes in the digestive tract (as well as bad assimilation of nutrients) can only become an issue over time.

I know a Thai woman who relinquished her Thai citizenship a long time ago in order to obtain a French one (I was shocked when I heard this, I didn't know it was even possible for something like that to happen). Now every time she goes on holiday to Thailand she has to make a visa and extend it just like any farang, which is ridiculous but that is the way it is. She is now old and wants to return to Thailand to live there but this is a major hurdle for her. She has told me it is the biggest mistake she ever made as her French ID card does not make her culturally French, she's still a foreigner there and rejected by her own country.

So the underlying rationale here is you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs. That's fine as long as nobody is coerced into taking the risk of being one of the broken eggs, or told only one in a zillion eggs will be broken before the omelette is actually made. I think this has been the fundamental issue all along. Actually there is a term for that: informed consent.

Yes, there have been cases of vaccine-induced polio. Comparing the Covid and Polio shots is irrelevant though as their makeup is completely different.

I don't know anyone who died from a stroke, had heart inflammation or had a miscarriage because of the polio shot.

Very enlightening, thank you.

So please enlighten an irrational and uneducated wretch such as myself: Do the Covid vaccines work, are they safe and why?

This is typically the type of stance which is becoming harder and harder to sustain. "A small group of people someone knows" is one thing, several groups of people several people know is called reality. The truth is coming out and no sponsored study or publication can change that.