rattlesnake

I agree, she said it shouldn't be a vaccine-only response. Excerpt: "Many of my colleagues warned about an over reliance on a “vaccines-only strategy” when it became apparent that high levels of vaccinations were not going to be sufficient to contain the pandemic or prevent long-term damage." A distinct step forward from the "vaccines are the only way" doxa and its corollaries such as mandates and persecution of the unvaxxed, which lots of members of this forum partook in.

Does she say the benefits far outweigh the risks? Excerpts from Dr Phelps' submission: "Vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about. Regulators of the medical profession have censored public discussion about adverse events following immunisation, with threats to doctors not to make any public statements about anything that “might undermine the government’s vaccine rollout” or risk suspension or loss of their registration." "In trying to convince people in positions of influence to pay attention to the risks of Long COVID and reinfection for people with vaccine injury, I have personally been met with obstruction and resistance to openly discuss this issue. There has been a delay in recognition of vaccine injury, partly because of under-reporting, concerns about vaccine hesitancy in the context of managing a global pandemic, and needing to find the balance between risks and benefits on a population level."

Details on the links you posted: "However, she still strongly supports Covid vaccination as the benefits far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people." Unsubstantiated statement by a Daily Mail journalist. "Available vaccines lower the risk of hospitalization and death" Excerpt of an article by Dan H. Barouch published in the New England Journal of Medecine on 15 September 2022, cited in an OzSAGE publication on Long Covid. "Available vaccines lower the risk of hospitalization and death" Excerpt from an OzSAGE publication on the importance of Covid vaccination. OzSAGE is a multi-disciplinary network of Australian experts from a broad range of sectors relevant to the well-being of the Australian population during and after the COVID-19 pandemic. Kerryn Phelps is a member of OzSAGE and initially endorsed their pro-vaccination stance, however she has just made an about-face in a submission to parliament, in which she revealed her devastating vaccine injuries and the censorship on this matter. Since this submission, Dr Phelps has not reiterated her previous statements on vaccine safety. Others are now starting to speak up about this issue. From the article in the OP: “Inspired by [Dr Kerryn Phelps] today I want to say I too have been in a living hell with pericarditis because of the Covid vaccine,” ABC News presenter Eleni Roussos wrote on Twitter. “Vaccine injuries are real and serious and I sincerely hope more people will speak up.”

You haven't, and you obviously don't appreciate it when the rules you so dearly cherish apply to you.

Since officialising her vaccine injury, Dr Phelps has never said the benefits of the Covid vaccines far outweighed the risks for the vast majority of people.

I checked the links to the Australian Medical Association and ozsage, and read the titles of the footnotes but didn't open them individually. So far I haven't see any statement specifically by Dr Phelps, following the officialisation of her injury, in which she claims the benefits of the Covid vaccines far outweigh the risks for the vast majority of people. If I missed anything, I would be very appreciative if you could post it or give me the name of the link so I can go back and check.

So you will acknowledge it if it is alleged in the Australian parliament?

This is not an actual Dr Pelps quote but was written by a Daily Mail journalist. I can't find any such quote from Dr Phelps following her testimony about her Covid vaccination injury.

Right, there are plenty of sources if you want to check but of course you won't as it would force you out of your pseudo-reality.

My opinion is backed by Dr Phelp's testimony. And no you have not addressed what I mentioned above, apart from admitting she was credible a couple of days ago.

Great, hear you go. Tory MP alleges 'cover up' of Covid vaccine inflaming heart arteries in bombshell claim https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1709123/tory-mp-covid-vaccine-inflaming-heart-arteries-commons-debate-update

I said I never had the same debate twice, in this case you're refusing to debate but at least it's clear now who is doing the cherry picking. There is a massive cover-up of regarding vaccine injury, as stated by Dr Phelps in her credible testimony, and this is made possible only because people such as yourself refuse to acknowledge it.

Right, but Dr Phelps' testimony is not conspiracy theory, you said yourself it was credible. We have moved away from this issue, which was the reason why I posted here in the first place. She claims that in addition to herself and her partner, she knows several people, (including doctors) who have suffered severe reactions after receiving the Covid shot, that there is organized pressure to avoid reporting and mentioning them, and that those reactions are downplayed or ignored by the medical profession in general. This is a significant issue which implies there could be a lot of adverse reactions not taken into account in statistics and risk/benefit assessments.

You know very well the links I would provide are not approved by forum rules, we have debated this before and my time is too precious to repeat the same things over and over again. I attempted to circumvent the rules by stating my opinion (which presumably is not an alleged factual claim and not subject to the approved link rule). Thanks for your answers to the questions, duly noted.

I never have the same debate twice, with you or anyone else. Even when dealing with people whose significance to me is virtually nil, I still remember the gist of what was said going forward. You were attemptig to initiate a debate we'd already had this year. The fact that you don't actually remember what other people tell you does explain the striking redundancy of your interventions, though.

I am referring to debates you and I have had. I remember clearly what you have said in the past and am not asking you to reiterate, I assumed it was reciprocal but maybe I am placing the bar a little high. Why are you asking me to repeat what I have already told you twice this year? Or do you have short-term memory?

The last sentence is clear enough, thanks. Here is my answer to your question: Being vaccinated against covid is safer than not being vaccinated against covid. Is not being vaccinated against covid safe? All the people I know who are still getting Covid and a plethora of other ailments have been jabbed several times. The unjabbed (such as myself) are doing absolutely fine. Reality can only be twisted to a certain extent.

Over the past 15 months we have debated this extensively, my objections and opinions have repeatedly been made very clear and substantiated as much as possible withing the restrictions of this forum. My time is too precious to replicate what is already done. Clarity is very important in communication, sometimes a four-word sentence says more than an intricate paragraph, which is why I occasionally ask you (and the 3-4 other members who still vehemently defend the Covid vaccinations) to take an unambiguous stance on the matter, just to see if there has been an evolution (in your case there obviously hasn't).

And I would appreciate if you could express yours clearly too.

I reformulated because you are obviously trying to deflect. Answer my questions first and I will gladly answer yours.

I don't wish to start debating or exchanging links at this stage, I just want clarity. Here is my opinion, expressed clearly: 1. The Covid vaccine is not safe. 2. The adverse reactions to the Covid vaccine are very concerning. You've answered question 1, now please answer question 2: Are the adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines a cause for concern?

1. Are the Covid vaccines less safe than all other vaccines? 2. Are the adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines more concerning than those to all other vaccines?

1. Are the Covid vaccines safe? 2. Are the adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines a cause for concern?

1. Are the Covid vaccines safe? 2. Are the adverse reactions to the Covid vaccines a cause for concern?

Care to expand a bit on this? I assume you have read the report? Do you mean she is lying and shouldn't be taken seriously? Please address the questions directly and avoid using pseudo-jargon.