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  1. On 12/29/2016 at 0:25 AM, The Artful Dodger said:

    I am planning to return to Thailand from Europe mid-January to apply for my first 1 year extension based on retirement.  I currently have a 90 day non "O" visa with re-entry permit.  I'm British, 50 and have the money needed in a Thai account.

     

    I've rented a place in That Phanom, that depends on Nakhon Phanom district immigration.  The idea is that this will be my base in the coming years, as I travel around and go back and forth to Europe. I will probably not spend more than a few weeks there are a time, and unlikely to stay in Thailand more than 60 days in a row for the time being.

     

    However this TM-30 business, that I hear is very strictly applied at Nakhon Phanom immigration, may throw a spanner in the works.  It seems that the TM-30 notification must be done by the house owner in person with their blue book (my landlady's husband, but he's not the one who signed my lease...)

     

    And furthermore, this person must then come on the day of "application for extension based on retirement."

     

    I think (hope) I can pay to get landlady and husband to take a day off from work and go with me to immigration.  But can I do the TM-30, then do right away the extension application? (Assuming I've managed to get the other papers from the bank an hour away...) And maybe even the multiple entry permit?

     

    Also, as I will be arriving from Europe, there is no way I can get up to Nakhon Phanom immigration within 24 hours, I need to  spend the night somewhere.  If I spend a night or two in BKK or even in Nakhon Phanom, do I then also need to fill in the T-28 because my address changes 48 hours later?   I'm quite happy to skip this and pay 1600THB fine if that is all it will entail...

     

    Finally, am I correct in understanding that my landlady/ her husband will be able to do the TM-30 by post in the future?

     

    Many thanks for all advice,

     

    TAD 

     

    I don't have all the answers so not sure I have the best advice. The rule is get the TM30 within 24 hours, not that it be done where you you will be getting the retirement visa or staying permanently. My wife didn't need a blue book, but did need a copy of her Thai ID. Doesn't matter who signed your lease, that's not the point. I don't think that because you stayed somewhere for few days that this establishes your resident address, so don't sweat it. My wife and I frequently go on trips but I don't report an address change just because I stayed somewhere for a while.

     

    So, you stay in a BKK hotel, hopefully you can get the TM30 stub put in your passport. If not, and Nakhon Phanom is tough, you may have to pay the 1600 baht fine, but really, you've done the best you can to follow the rules, so I doubt you'll be dinged too much if at all. Explain this all to immigration when you go in with your papers to finalize the retirement visa and don't catastrophize too much. Most likely they will do their best to help you, and 1600 baht won't break you in half.  I haven't moved in 8 years, but my understanding is that Meaw could send the TM30 form in by mail next time if we were to move to another house or the next time we return from a trip somewhere. It's not too much trouble just to drive there, either. Maybe someone else has a better answer. 

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  2. 34 minutes ago, ellathai said:

     

    Here is a question l need to be answered, when l fly into Khon Kaen can l go to there immigration office or do l have to go to the office where l would be doing 90 day reports to?  (Sakon Nakhon) which is a 2 hour drive for my TM30

    When you first fly in, what is your purpose to go to an Immigration Office unless it's to get a re entry permit? Or you may need to have the TM30 stub stapled into your passport, too, I think. I doubt it makes any difference which office you go to for any of these things as long as it gets done. When you come back, you'll need to redo the TM30. Then, towards the end of the 3rd month, go to the nearest office to process the retirement visa. Go about ten days prior to the 90 day mark to give room in case there is some delay. Maybe a good idea to go much earlier at least once to check and make sure you're on track with everything. You'll find that doing the 90 day reports by mail is much easier and reliable (use EMS postal).   You are fortunate to have a Thai wife who can help with the language barrier.  

  3. 2 minutes ago, ellathai said:

    Thanks for the advice, been thinking about it for 20 odd years and now the time has come, kids have grown up and left the nest.

     

    Just getting all the info, l will have to fly back to Aussie on a phone call to sign important papers, it's outta my control, that's why l was asking

    Oh, ok. Well, I think it's no problem just to go to Promenada and get a re entry permit, but it costs some money. I see only one reference to a non O with multi entry on the Chicago site, looks like $200 gets you a year multiple entry, maybe check that out.  

    • Fee rate for each category of entry per person is collected, accordingly: Transit Visa $35.00, Tourist Visa $40.00, Non-Immigrant Visa $80.00, (one-year multiple-entry Non-Immigrant Visa: $200). Fee can be paid by Money Order or Cashier's check. (Personal check is not acceptable) Please make it payable to "Royal Thai Consulate-General, Chicago.
  4. 6 minutes ago, ellathai said:

    So if l got a multi entry Non imm O l can apply for an extension say after the first 2 months of any exit/entry. Am l understanding that right?

    Yes, except why would you want a multi entry? You have a 90 day O, just sit tight for 60 days and get the bank letter and health certificate, then before 90 days are up go in and get the retirement extension (it's stamped/called a visa on my passport). If you do need to leave Thailand during that period, go to the Promenada office and get a re entry permit. You seem to think there's some requirement to leave Thailand, but there shouldn't be. 

  5. 2 hours ago, ellathai said:

    Alright. Merry Christmas to you and your wife.

    Well l haven't made my mind up yet if l will get a retirement extension  or  extension based on marriage, l have heard the marriage is a lot more paperwork and l just want to slip into not working. Now as far as l understand it l have to arrive in Thailand on an o visa then apply for a extension after 2 months (First time) with the required amount of money in the bank.

    I've been in Thailand on a retirement visa for 11 years. Yes, you get the 90 day O first. You will need a bank deposit of 800,000 baht for two months OR income amounting to 65,000 baht for two months backed by a letter from the bank. Before the end of the 3rd month you take proof of that to Immigration to get the visa. The first time I needed a health checkup at RAM hospital as well and I think you might need to show proof of residence, at least you need that for the Thai driver's license. The driver's license is easy to get and well worth it if only to use as identificationand you don't need to pack around the passport. You're right, the marriage route requires only 400,000 baht (held jointly as I remember), but it's more involved and requires more checks and such, can't remember the details now but choose the retirement visa if you can do it. It's very easy to get all this done. Technically, you only need a tourist visa but that can cause serious problems, so get the non O first. I think you'll love it here, I sure do.  

  6. 16 minutes ago, ellathai said:
    2 hours ago, cusanus said:

    Right you are. You didn't use the word visa, however...  "l plan to retire in Thailand next year with my thai wife of 27 years, One of the things l have to show the consulate in Melbourne Australia for my Non-Immigrant ‘O’ Visa is"  You're going to retire, but not get a retirement visa, you're married to a Thai, but don't want a marriage visa...  Just what in the blazes do you want a Non-Immigrant O for?  Geez 

    Your the only one reading to much into this, have some christmas cheer and settle down

    I'm studying pottery right now. Every day is retirement bliss for me in Thailand with my gorgeous little Thai wife. But I'm still curious - what do you need the 90 day O for? 

  7. 18 hours ago, ellathai said:

     

    What are you woffling on about????  Where did l say marriage or retirement visa???  Buy some glasses!!! Maybe even order them through the mail. Of couse l'm presuming you don't have any. l did check the website in Melbourne and that's why l played safe and asked. People like you are just plain nasty.

    Geez

    Right you are. You didn't use the word visa, however...  "l plan to retire in Thailand next year with my thai wife of 27 years, One of the things l have to show the consulate in Melbourne Australia for my Non-Immigrant ‘O’ Visa is"  You're going to retire, but not get a retirement visa, you're married to a Thai, but don't want a marriage visa...  Just what in the blazes do you want a Non-Immigrant O for?  Geez Louise....

  8. No such thing as a marriage or retirement visa? hmm... Getting a retirement visa but "presumes" they'll require a return ticket to Australia? 

    Look, Ellathai, don't presume anything, just follow the instructions which I presume are listed on their website. I'm not from down under, but here's the instructions listed per Chicago Thai consulate: http://www.thaiconsulatechicago.org/pages-Visa.html. These should be the same everywhere, and I presume you can get the 90 day O by mail in Australia as well. I seriously doubt anyone wants to see a return ticket. 

  9. On 4/18/2015 at 2:05 AM, Maestro said:

    Forget about the OP's posts in other threads and look at the question he is asking here (as modified by me):

    Is the TM-30 form necessary to do a notification of staying longer than 90 days (form TM.47) for people on a retirement extension?

    In other words, when a foreigner on a retirement extension goes to his local immigration office to submit the TM.30, does the immigration officer ask this foreigner also for the TM.30? This is the specific question asked by the OP.

    Was your question answered? Think you meant to say "when.. submit the TM47..." I don't have an answer to that here in Chiang Mai because I do the 90 day reports via mail. I started doing that after being passed that new form asking for personal information which I found quite distasteful. Mail works fine and is much easier, only thing is that you lose a few days to the next reporting requirement. Based on reports that this could happen, I took my Thai wife to immigration to do the TM30, paid the 1600 baht fine. I don't want any delays doing my visa extension coming up and figure eventually I'll get popped, anyway. Maybe I wouldn't be, but why not follow the law, anyway? What I don't understand is for hotels and guest houses how it ends up that the farang gets his TM30 stub tacked into his passport to prove it was done. The Big Question for anyone in Chiang Mai, have you been caught without a TM30 yet either for the 90 day report or a visa extension? 

  10. 7 hours ago, al mcnab said:

    Is the landlord's TM30 registeration receipt essential for the foreigner's retirement visa renewal?

     

    It was not needed when I did the extention this year, in April.

     

    Anyone who is sure about this, please advise me.

     

    My landlord is reluctant to do that probably for the fear of fine for the late lodgement.

     

    Thank you

    Maybe not, but it's supposed to be per notice in the airport office; anyway, people are getting called on it as I understand even for the 90 day report. To me, I'd rather not be surprised when I go in for a visa renewal and then have to bother with a reschedule plus having to pay the fine, anyway somewhere down the road. Surely, you can cover the 1600 baht and spare the landlord, because you're the one who'll suffer, not him. My advice is to do as we did, go in and ask, pay the fine, get the stub stapled into your passport. OR just stall as long as possible I guess isn't that big a deal. 

  11. Guess I for sure didn't make it clear. It's confusing only because the law hasn't been enforced in the past and suddenly it's being enforced. How it's being enforced or your interpretation of the law doesn't carry any weight with Immigration. The point is that if you don't have the TM30 stub stapled to your passport when you go in for a visa extension (or 90 day report some are saying), that you're liable for a 1,600 baht fine. I've lived with my wife in her house for 8 years, she didn't believe me, and then she was fined 1,600 baht and had to provide a copy of her ID. The yellow book means nothing, the definition of temporary means nothing. If you haven't got the TM30 stub, you don't get an extension. The former habits may hang on at certain Immigration offices and people may be dragging their feet, but it's a lot easier to get your ducks lined up. Also, if you decide to leave the country to get a new visa, you still have to have a TM30 within 24 hours of arrival. This was all explained very well in the article I linked to in my last post. CM Immigration took a lot of time to corroborate all these things to my incredulous little wife, I can't see how it's realistic to require all householders to go to Immigration personally, but my advice is to do what they ask. How the law is implemented is their business. Don't let me stop you from trying to change their minds, that is certainly well worth doing, but please come back and tell us how far you got. I see my link to the commercial website was removed, so maybe it's okay if I just say Google TM30 form required and pick and choose for the best information. How about the 3rd down, Bangkok Immigration, but I often get a better understanding checking others as welli, even Thaivisa. ... . .  

  12. Hopefully, I can clear this up for everyone. I've tried to get the "owner" to do a TM30 for me for many years, but everybody used to ignore this law. NOT NO MORE. It's no surprise that suddenly it is required, and if you do NOT have one by visa time, you must get one ASAP - and the fine is 1600 baht. Not sure who owes it being it's the owner's responsibility, but you WILL pay it or it's your tail that will be burned. My wife (owner) and I went to Immigration last week with her insisting I was "STUPID" every kilo of the way, nothing unusual about that. Then we get there and I am RIGHT. Also not unusual. Anyway, you can download the files needed from this site which explains it so well, check on down. I expect you may need a copy of the owner's ID as well, at least we did.

    <link to commercial website removed>

    Of course, the sweet thing is that 1600 baht times the number of foreign residents in Thailand will go a long ways to paying for that submarine! :)  You all have a great day, I know I will...

     

  13. I'm your huckleberry. Osstem implants are the cheapest and JUST FINE. 36,000 baht is the price you pay for the implant, titanium with surface treatment and good oxide coating. 10,000 more gets a combination metal and porcelain cap. I STRONGLY advise the 15,000 baht all zirconia cap, MUCH stronger, beautiful and will NOT set up a galvanic reaction with the titanium if there's a breach in the coating. IOW, the risk isn't worth it. SO, you pay 51,000 for a BEAUTIFUL tooth. A most excellent surgeon will do the job at either Elite Smile (Pantip Plaza) or Dental 4U near Thae Pae gate. I have two super fine molars by Elite and hoping to get five more. This is all you need to know. Go cheaper and you may regret it because this is very delicate and important work you don't want to have screwed up. It is also possible to get a solid zirconia implant, but I don't know the place or cost. Rather expect it will be a lot. There's about a 2% failure rate with titanium, but if you don't smoke or have high acid conditions in your mouth, you should be AOK. I expect to take mine to the grave. Hope this helps...  

  14. Elite Dental at the Pantip Plaza did two implants for me, 36k each plus 15k for a zirconium crown (10k for porcelain/metal). Excellent job, really, not a bit of pain, perfect work. But for one other tooth they'll want another 30k for a bone graft which I question if necessary. Will look around still..   but, was told today that it won't be known if the bone graft is necessary. That's my fault because I didn't have it pulled at the same time as the 2nd one down, so they can't be done together with the bridge in the middle. Will have to wait on that question for three months. BUT must say, I only hesitate because I want these guys all to myself, they do NOT come any better than this. These guys are GREAT. I now have two molars that should last me to the grave and well beyond. They look wonderful and I can chew comfortably again. God bless em.  Oh, should mention that after fitting the cap, she used some cement, I suppose around the seam with the abutment. GREAT JOB!

  15. I've been here almost 12 years and not sure if a TM 30 was ever submitted, but that's the owner's responsibility, not the farang. Now, MAYBE it's not an issue if you have a driver's license, because for that you have to submit a residence verification, not sure what that form is now. Anyway, as long as your address never changes, there's surely no cause to think about it. As for the 90 day report, that's NOT a requirement. By the way, you can do the 90 day report by registered mail, which is very easy and reliable, just make sure you follow the directions. DO check out Immigration's own instructions, though a tad murky: http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=90days   

    This guy maybe explains it better: http://donslifeinthailand.com/Immigration_90_Day_Report.html

    For retirement visa, this Don guy seems to know his stuff: http://donslifeinthailand.com/VISA-Information-Thailand.html

    Hope this helps someone. 

     

     

  16. Well, it seems my jock itch has returned, I only took the Ketoconazole for 7 days, & as the symptoms went, I stopped taking them.

    Been putting 2% Miconazole Cream on the area; but reluctant to use K'zole again for a longer period, as they can affect the Liver a bit.

    It does seem that it is a deeper infection of the skin. You may be better off working with a doctor, as you may need a longish course of tablets which requires medical supervision. As you've seen this is curable and there is no need to be concerned.

    Sanook, haven't gotten to your vinegar method. I'm more interested in getting entirely rid of it. Well, back now to report that the quadriderm didn't work, a week later it was back. SOOOO, was wanting to get the colloidal silver - remember the dude who claimed CS was a scam, giving links to the quackbusters and threatening with the FDA, weird! Anyway, couldn't get to the store someone gave, just too hard, but did find a tube of silver sulferdiazene cream, usually for burns but it's still silver, more or less. Anyway, have been applying that 3x/day and miconazole 3x, now for a month. Once again, it does seem to be gone, but it will take a week or two to know for sure. It's never a problem if I use miconazole cream daily, but I get tired of going through the stuff. Sorry it's taking so long to settle this matter.

    REPEATING this for your sake...

    GOOD NEWS: No fungal cream will work on the jock itch for me. I tried adding in the quad that seemed to work for someone else, but it came back for him and for me too it turned out within a week. I then tried 3x/day miconazole and silver sulfadiazene both. I couldn't get to the colloidal silver, too far from here, but thought the silver sulfadiazene might be close enough, though that is usually used for burns. This I did for five weeks and can finally report GOOD NEWS. This combination finally worked after many years. The micanozole alone if used daily would keep it from flaring up, but within a few days it would bounce right back. Now it really is gone along with the tinea versicolor all over my chest and arms. There are TWO things that must be said: 1) NEVER try to entirely cure any of these infections without washing your clothes in mild bleach for that period. Bleach will wipe out fungal spores, but if not, you'll probably get re infected quickly. Oh, yeah, bed sheets, too. 2) Jock itch, aka tinea cruris, is a particularly nasty fungus that gets deep into the skin. However, if you skip a shower even one day in this climate, your balls and crotch will soon be itching from less virulent forms of yeast. Just so we all understand that. As for the tinea that was so widespread, it hasn't shown any sign of return after several months, and hope the jock itch will be the same.
  17. After 12 days I should report on the jock itch problem. It was not causing any irritation, but reddish areas under the skin indicated it was just dormant for a while and bound to erupt again. So, I started using a combination of miconazole cream and the Quad despite my concerns about the dangers of these corticosteroids. I've been doing 3 applications a day. Well, there is still some redness on the right leg, but I can't be sure if it's gone or not. I've probably got a couple more days of the Quad left, then I'll discontinue and wait and see. The cooler weather is in my favor, so it may be several more weeks before a verdict can be made. I'm just really hoping that this will do it. I suppose I should be also doing a 10 day pulse of itraconazole tablets, that stuff works really well for some serious fungi problems.

    GOOD NEWS: No fungal cream will work on the jock itch for me. I tried adding in the quad that seemed to work for someone else, but it came back for him and for me too it turned out within a week. I then tried 3x/day miconazole and silver sulfadiazene both. I couldn't get to the colloidal silver, too far from here, but thought the silver sulfadiazene might be close enough, though that is usually used for burns. This I did for five weeks and can finally report GOOD NEWS. This combination finally worked after many years. The micanozole alone if used daily would keep it from flaring up, but within a few days it would bounce right back. Now it really is gone along with the tinea versicolor all over my chest and arms. There are TWO things that must be said: 1) NEVER try to entirely cure any of these infections without washing your clothes in mild bleach for that period. Bleach will wipe out fungal spores, but if not, you'll probably get re infected quickly. Oh, yeah, bed sheets, too. 2) Jock itch, aka tinea cruris, is a particularly nasty fungus that gets deep into the skin. However, if you skip a shower even one day in this climate, your balls and crotch will soon be itching from less virulent forms of yeast. Just so we all understand that. As for the tinea that was so widespread, it hasn't shown any sign of return after several months, and hope the jock itch will be the same.

  18. Well, it seems my jock itch has returned, I only took the Ketoconazole for 7 days, & as the symptoms went, I stopped taking them.

    Been putting 2% Miconazole Cream on the area; but reluctant to use K'zole again for a longer period, as they can affect the Liver a bit.

    It does seem that it is a deeper infection of the skin. You may be better off working with a doctor, as you may need a longish course of tablets which requires medical supervision. As you've seen this is curable and there is no need to be concerned.

    Sanook, haven't gotten to your vinegar method. I'm more interested in getting entirely rid of it. Well, back now to report that the quadriderm didn't work, a week later it was back. SOOOO, was wanting to get the colloidal silver - remember the dude who claimed CS was a scam, giving links to the quackbusters and threatening with the FDA, weird! Anyway, couldn't get to the store someone gave, just too hard, but did find a tube of silver sulferdiazene cream, usually for burns but it's still silver, more or less. Anyway, have been applying that 3x/day and miconazole 3x, now for a month. Once again, it does seem to be gone, but it will take a week or two to know for sure. It's never a problem if I use miconazole cream daily, but I get tired of going through the stuff. Sorry it's taking so long to settle this matter.

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  19. Well, it seems my jock itch has returned, I only took the Ketoconazole for 7 days, & as the symptoms went, I stopped taking them.

    Been putting 2% Miconazole Cream on the area; but reluctant to use K'zole again for a longer period, as they can affect the Liver a bit.

    It does seem that it is a deeper infection of the skin. You may be better off working with a doctor, as you may need a longish course of tablets which requires medical supervision. As you've seen this is curable and there is no need to be concerned.

    Ok, well I have some good news I hope. Yes, this kind of infection is deep (tinea cruris it's called). Ok, I rubbed good amount of the Quad on each side and then some miconazole cream. Planned to take your advice and do it for a week, but suspected yours would come back, so just used up most of the tube over 2 weeks, probably about a tube and a half of miconazole which sells for 10-20 baht at most markets. So far two weeks have gone by and it seems to be gone now. If it isn't I'll be back with another post, but it's looking pretty good. The tablets you're talking about are probably itraconazole. You don't have to have a doctor, just Google for the dosages and buy the stuff. I had to use two ten day pulses of that (with 2 weeks off between) to get rid of the Majocchi granuloma on my arms that sprang from the tinea versicolor a couple years back. That's the only thing that will get rid of that and nail infections except a more expensive fungicide. It did NOT get rid of the jock itch even though I added a 3rd pulse a few weeks after. The Majocchi was a nightmare, seemed to have set in following two bouts of Dengue fever and never ending colds. That's when I got back on the vitamins and minerals. I am NOW nearly renewed, no tinea versicolor, no Dengue symptoms, doing 40 pullups and 50 dips at the gym, knock on wood for the jock itch.

  20. After 12 days I should report on the jock itch problem. It was not causing any irritation, but reddish areas under the skin indicated it was just dormant for a while and bound to erupt again. So, I started using a combination of miconazole cream and the Quad despite my concerns about the dangers of these corticosteroids. I've been doing 3 applications a day. Well, there is still some redness on the right leg, but I can't be sure if it's gone or not. I've probably got a couple more days of the Quad left, then I'll discontinue and wait and see. The cooler weather is in my favor, so it may be several more weeks before a verdict can be made. I'm just really hoping that this will do it. I suppose I should be also doing a 10 day pulse of itraconazole tablets, that stuff works really well for some serious fungi problems.

  21. The use of Silver in the treatment of bacterial infections, has been well documented. It is not quackery.

    Read this:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23785037

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3771099/

    I had Jock Itch for the last 6 weeks, & after trying a few creams, found that Quadriderm Cream & Ketoconozole Tablets cleared everything up in about 7 days.

    Well, swore I'd never touch steroids, but if mine comes back I'll slap some Quad on it for a week or so. The azoles (no pu intended) do work, more or less, I'll mix it with some miconazole; meanwhile, I'll apply a little Selsun after showers. I've never had any trouble getting rid of the jock itch, haven't had it now for some time, but it's only laying low, not entirely gone, and ready to jump back. I guess a short term use of Quad at the right time might do it. Meanwhile, since the selenium wiped out the tinea versicolor, I've bought some as internal supplements, could be that there was a deficiency. Thanks for the tip, it's well worth a try.

  22. Ok, THANKS to you ALL for some great comments. However, I have NO idea where I can find colloidal silver in Chiang Mai, I've been looking for ten years, nada. Many do insist it is very effective. Someone clue me in if you can. Quadriderm and Travogen I will keep an eye out for now, but clue me in if you know where I can find it in Chiang Mai. Meanwhile, the jock itch problem is mild, while the tinea versicolor is totally wiped. Another service I might add is that I've had serious problems with customs snatching my vitamins these last two years, first Puritans (who now refuses to ship to Thailand) and now Swanson's. These are crucial to my well being, but now I find that all are available in Thailand direclty here: http://swansonthailand.net/kirkland-vitamins/

    If anyone knows where I can find Quadriderm and/or Travogen in CM, let me know, but Dog claims that it's easy to find, so I'll be looking. I'm a bit out of circulation here in Sanpatong, but get to CM about once a week for church.

    Colloidal Silver is available in Chiang Mai

    http://www.thai-herbs-chiangmai.com/other.html

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    map/address http://www.thai-herbs-chiangmai.com/contact.php

    Address: 200/1 Kampangdin Street, Tambon Haiya, Chiang Mai 50100 Thailand

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    My Canadian family have all used CS for over 15 years, my Thai family for around 7 years,

    Doug

    The claims made on that "thai-herb" website for "colloidal sliver" would rapidly attract the attention of regulatory authorities in the West as they are false and cannot be evidenced.

    If any one is tempted to use this stuff the link below should be opened and read.

    http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

    Thank you Muskoka! As for quackwatch, I'll say it again, this is the dirtiest, most vicious, underhanded group there ever was. I don't have to go there and see what it has to say, because it's a pack of liars, and as I said, sluts for the pharma industry. Colloidal silver has been used to good effect for many centuries. As for a lack of "scientific" evidence, that's exactly what you'd expect being that real science is not affordable or accessible to the general public. Many have sworn by it, and when you don't have any other viable options, it's worth a try. "Rapidly attract the attention...." PLEASE give us a break. You can buy it just about anywhere, I've just never had the time and I don't trust customs that much.

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