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Thaiberius, on 29 Jul 2014 - 00:05, said:

your guinea pig theory is total nonsense very much like your theories about dogs which explains why your dog likes scrapping.Just remember 2 things that most inadequate dog like doing.

Giving them varying instructions to sit, stand, rollover, leave - They won't have a clue what you're talking about. Dogs haven't evolved to include one to one conversations in their deck of cards. They don't understand things the same way as a human does, they do not display human behaviours.

Avoiding the fight is infinitely better than pulling tails but the alternative isn't so macho. I really do despair.

I could have expected you would not understand about the guinea pig just like you know little about dog training. Guinea pigs don't have tails!! Der If you give dogs instructions and they obey is that a myth in your eyes or some conspiracy theory as to why they obey? How can you say they don't understand what you tell them? To keep this simple for you, is it luck when you say sit and they sit? When you tell them stay and they stay till you tell them they can move is just luck? Dogs will obey commands because they understand. You amaze me that by some stroke of luck you said something I almost agree with, and that is avoiding the fight is infinitely better than (but it should have finished with) having to separate them once they are fighting. There is nothing macho about having to separate 2 dogs fighting. I do despair with you too and will not waste my time to reply to someone with your mentality. Period.

If possible without getting yourself bitten, from the back, grab the dog's hind legs and lift. Once they are off the ground, he will lose all confidence in his ability to do anything further.

Problems could be the other dogs then taking advantage of the situation.

We were always taught at the GSD club to grab the tail and pull lifting the rear end off the ground and as they let go to swing them around in a circle so they can't bite you, This should be only tried if there are 2 people, one for each tail to separate them. (as long as they both have tails) As was also said, the legs will also work. It is too dangerous if there is only one person.

If you don't know what you are doing, better to leave them, Throwing water over them or squirting them with a hose also may work, but usually not possible to find a hose nearby.

You should NEVER pull or lift any dog by the tail. The tail is attached to the spine and these actions can cause serious spinal or neurological damage.

Also, German Shepherds are prome to a hereditery disease called DM (Degenerative Myelopethy) or sometimes known as DMGS (DM German Shepherd) which is an auto immune disease of the neurological system. This is a horrible disease without cure that leads to full paralysis

I do know if you pick up a guinea pig by the tail it's eyes fall out.

Seriously, in 25 years of attending Dog Classes often 2 times a week at the GSDCV , I did see quite a few fights, they were always separated by pulling the tails, with no one being bitten and no injuries to the dogs. I am sure if someone's dog was injured by it's tail being pulled I would have heard about it. If they hadn't have been separated, the injuries the dogs would have sustained would have been very severe.

As it was a training school, there were many people that brought their dogs along as they couldn't control them. My two Shepherds had a bad habit of wanting to chase other dogs when running free at the park, but the best command I ever taught them was the drop command. They could be heading full speed towards another dog, and if I yelled out drop, they would both go straight down. Drop is a very submissive command. If I tried to call them in the same situation, they wouldn't hear me.

One of my bitches was in the demo team and we would often take 5 or 6 German Shepherds to elderly peoples homes. Almost all the elderly were thrilled at the sight of them and their eyes would all light up and bring much joy to them. If they were attack dogs, I am sure it would be outlawed in the nanny state.

German Shepherds have many hereditary diseases, the most common in the club would have been Hip Dysplasia. I suppose the point about the Degenerative Myelopethy is that you wouldn't want to pull a dogs tail if it had that. The same goes for HD. But in a fight you do to the best of your ability to stop them fighting. The GSDCV has a program to eradicate this nasty hereditary disease, by only breeding dogs that have been x-rayed for the disease and found to be suitable for breeding. This is also one of the reasons you should get your dogs from a well recognised registered breeder, as they will make sure the parents temperament and genetics is worth breeding from, so you have the best chance of not having a dog with problems.

I have done a search and it does seem to be common practise to pull their tails to separate them. There is however one site I found that agrees with you. If you are interested I have some of the links below.

http://nycdoggies.com/break-up-dog-fight/#comments

http://moderndogmagazine.com/articles/ask-expert-breaking-dog-fight/20223

If possible without getting yourself bitten, from the back, grab the dog's hind legs and lift. Once they are off the ground, he will lose all confidence in his ability to do anything further.

Problems could be the other dogs then taking advantage of the situation.

We were always taught at the GSD club to grab the tail and pull lifting the rear end off the ground and as they let go to swing them around in a circle so they can't bite you, This should be only tried if there are 2 people, one for each tail to separate them. (as long as they both have tails) As was also said, the legs will also work. It is too dangerous if there is only one person.

If you don't know what you are doing, better to leave them, Throwing water over them or squirting them with a hose also may work, but usually not possible to find a hose nearby.

I didn't think it was possible to ride through Burma and exit out of a different immigration border checkpoint. If you make it through to Thailand, I would be interested in riding back to India with you. Are you sure it can be done?

= complete BS²

That's what I heard, I don't make it up.

How do YOU explain their need to wait a week before deposition your money?

All banks in the world do this.

Money is transferred nationally and internationally within seconds.

It means the banks have free money to play with.

(I think I will have to get a pay cheque from citibank, but read my above posts.) Money transferred on-line from my Australian Commonwealth account to my Australian Citibank account is able to be withdrawn out the following business day using my ATM card in Thailand.

I should have given you this link so you can make your own minds up. http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/citibank_plus_transaction_account

Also when the money is received into my citibank account, I receive an SMS on my Thai sim stating what has been deposited. When more than $500 is withdrawn an SMS is also received stating how much was withdrawn.

Also, when you logging into your Citibank account, for security after you have put your password into the citibank site, an SMS with a 6 digit pin is sent to your Thai phone which you need to put in before you can go any further with transactions.

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I do not keep money in Thailand. I prefer to take money by ATM every month. I let my Thai wife know this and tell her the longer I stay healthy, the better off you will be. It is kind of a LIFE insurance.

I did however make an electronic transfer recently and my bank did it for free. Some banks do. I read recently that some Canadian banks have stopped service charges to seniors.

Nothing is free in this world. What they remove from fees, is evident in the poor exchange rates. One must consider both, before coming to a conclusion.

The CHEAPEST method as requested by the OP. Is your own personal cheque.

It's the only method I am working with now, and I have researched and done what all the others have suggested. But this method is the cheapest guaranteed.

Go to your local bank and open up a foreign currency account if you want, entirely up to you. Deposit your US dollar cheque or whatever currency your foreign bank is. This is called a "Bill Collection" by the banks, and they will charge you around 20-25 dollars. The middle bank is supposed to charge 20-25 dollars too, but just last month, I was only charged 5$!! Your bank in the US or wherever, will have no charges usually. Check with your bank, mine doesn't, as it is just honoring their own cheque, not asking them to make a SWIFT transfer.

Total cost?

700ish Baht from kbank/bbl

Correspondent Bank 20-25$ (But just last month's cheque deposit, I was only charged $5)

Home bank : Free

Total cost = Less than 0.5% of original principal amount with reference to XE interbank currency exchange rates (The best of the best exchange rate)

Total time? 35-40 days from the date of deposit. The money will be deducted from your home account in 2 weeks precisely.

Forex, and other online international companies do not work. They are made for those who failed at math. True cost is by taking your principal multiplying by the "best exchange rate (interbank rate)", and any deviations from that compared to your actual received amount. Don't fall for the 2$ fees only, low TRANSFER 5$, those are for fooling you.

Best and cheapest? Cheques

Pros : Cheapest Cons: Slow, 5 weeks delivery.

I'm open for any other suggestions that online companies are cheaper, give me the website, I'll do the analysis, and get back to you. If it is indeed cheaper, I'll promote it. But for now, I haven't seen 1 single company that is cheaper for balances of 10,000USD +

I have tried many ways but by far the cheapest, easiest and safest way I have found, if you are Australian is when you are in Australia, go to Citibank, apply for a debit account Visa, with NO FEES from the Australian side when you make a withdrawal overseas.. No interest either. I transfer money on the net from my interest bearing account into my Citibank when I need to withdraw, usually takes 1 working day, Some ATM's here still only charge 150 Baht but even if it is 180 baht no problem. You can withdraw at some ATM's 30,000 baht, this depends both on the rate at the time of the Aussie $ and the bank ATM you withdraw from. If the $Au is Under about 30 baht to the $A then it would be over $1000 for a 30000 baht withdrawl and you can only get out under $1000 per transaction. So then try 29000 baht.

I then put this into my Thai bank account. Some ATM's here will only let you take out 20,000 baht. The rate I get, even withdrawing only 20000 baht including the 150 or 180 baht charge, is a better rate, than what I could get with cash at any money changer. The exchange rate varies a little bit with what bank you withdraw from, but never had any bad rates.

Total charge 180 Baht Maximum for a 30000 withdrawal, with a great exchange rate.

Total time taken, if you have money in your Citibank account, 1 minute.

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Enjoy!

That atm withdrawal charge alone is already almost 1%. I fail to see your logic there how that is cheaper.

Your post did not indicate clearly the exchange rate, except that it is better than cash at any money changer. Have you heard of superrich before? I doubt it.

You state the exchange rate depends on which bank you withdraw from? Then clearly it's a lousy rate. That is atleast 0.5% spread from the "best exchange rate". Most likely it is 1%.

Total of your method is close to 2% charge.

For the sake of TV members, I have to strongly oppose your recommendation. As it is clearly, not for the good intentions of our members, with regards to cost.

For your sake, I recommend HSBC premier. Instant global transfers, no withdrawal fees for atms abroad, etc.

I am glad I never studied maths at your school. I am sorry, but you clearly don't know what you are talking about. If I make a withdrawal of 30000 Baht and I have a fee that totals 150 Baht That is a fee of.05% not 2%.

Where do you get 2% from?

If you want to find what bank gives the best rate, check this site. http://bankexchangerates.daytodaydata.net/default.aspx Then you will get the best possible exchange rate from you can.

The above site is where I look if I have the time to check.

Yes, I have heard of superrich (as you can see from the above site) but there are no branches in Phuket, and it would cost me far more to fly to Bangkok to get the best exchange rate. I would be happy to know where you don't get the 150 baht fee that I am paying, but 150 baht over 30000 baht isn't going to give me sleepless nights.

​You used to get free withdrawals at Aeon, but unfortunately you don't any more.

Yes, right,JacChang, from HSBC site Australia http://www.hsbc.com.au/1/2/hsbcpremier/get-in-touch

You are able to access the HSBC Premier benefits if you have:

Even if you get reimbursed the 150 baht transaction, my maths tells me that unless you make more than 7 withdrawals a month the $35 monthly fee doesn't make that worthwhile, let alone having to have a balance of $200000. But if you like HSBC so much I won't talk you out of it.

With my Citibank there are no fees or no minimum balance. I will leave it up to TV members as to what course they will take, Citibank or HSBC hmmm

I have tried many ways but by far the cheapest, easiest and safest way I have found, if you are Australian is when you are in Australia, go to Citibank, apply for a debit account Visa, with NO FEES from the Australian side when you make a withdrawal overseas.. No interest either. I transfer money on the net from my interest bearing account into my Citibank when I need to withdraw, usually takes 1 working day, Some ATM's here still only charge 150 Baht but even if it is 180 baht no problem. You can withdraw at some ATM's 30,000 baht, this depends both on the rate at the time of the Aussie $ and the bank ATM you withdraw from. If the $Au is Under about 30 baht to the $A then it would be over $1000 for a 30000 baht withdrawl and you can only get out under $1000 per transaction. So then try 29000 baht.

I then put this into my Thai bank account. Some ATM's here will only let you take out 20,000 baht. The rate I get, even withdrawing only 20000 baht including the 150 or 180 baht charge, is a better rate, than what I could get with cash at any money changer. The exchange rate varies a little bit with what bank you withdraw from, but never had any bad rates.

Total charge 180 Baht Maximum for a 30000 withdrawal, with a great exchange rate.

Total time taken, if you have money in your Citibank account, 1 minute.

My Commonwealth Bank used to rip me off worse than a Thai jet ski operator!!

Enjoy!

The UNHCR (High Commission on Refugees) is located in Geneva, not in New York.

The UN headquarters are in Manhattan, New Your City. Other main offices are in Geneva,Vienna and Nairobi.

Thailand really does need to use the death penalty. They could get rid of thousands of people that will never do anything beneficial in their life (rich included) and make Thailand a happier place for all.

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they would also execute thousands of innocent people as a result - happy with that ?

Why would they do that?

If you believe that only guilty people are found guilty and innocent people get off in any legal system you are living in a fantasy land. Keep dreaming.

Hi All,

Two answers so far, one give way to the right, one give way to the left, so as I presumed, there is a lot of confusion with this law, even amongst tv readers.

I wasn’t going to answer this question till tomorrow morning, but as you are not supposed to read ahead, I will answer it now with my view.

Yesterday Porkster posted this link http://freebeerforyo...om/driving.html

It stated Right of Way: Although the 'rules' state that drivers give way, in most instances, to traffic from the right, local drivers operate on the premise that the larger the vehicle, the more right of way it commands. However, sam law drivers (three wheeled bicycle taxis) consider themselves exempt from such rules and 'drive' as though they have the right of way in all situations. Mahoots in charge of elephants also consider themselves to have priority.

Tywais posted this link Thailand Traffic Act B.E. 2522 - http://thailaws.com/.../tlaw0140_5.pdf

An uncontrolled intersection in suburban Melbourne, Australia

At uncontrolled 4-way intersections, traffic is commonly required to slow and give way to any traffic on the right in countries which drive on the right, and slow and give way to traffic to the left in countries which drive on the left. Common practice dictates that drivers will treat the intersection as if they have a give way (yield) sign and look both directions for cross-traffic, to avoid any accidents with motorists who did not recognize or did not follow the uncontrolled intersection rule.

Well, they are wrong as in Australia it is GIVE WAY TO THE RIGHT.

I believe in Germany and a lot of Europe where you drive on the right, you give way to the right.

I had always been taught (to me seems logical) that the reason you give way to the right (When you are driving on the left side of the road) is because if a vehicle comes out of a street on the right you have got more distance between yourself and the other vehicle, thus being able to avoid a collision. If you are passing a vehicle on the left, and it only moves a metre or two and you hit it as you have no time to react, you are in the wrong. To me this is crazy. I believe that this should be changed worldwide to so vehicles that drive on the left give way to the right and vehicles that drive on the right give way to the left. Also if you are on the left side of the road, and you are in a car that is right hand drive it is much easier to see cars on your right side than on your left.

Maybe collisions could be avoided with a uniformity worldwide in this law so there is no confusion.

Hi All,

I have just renewed my Thai licence today and had to watch the video on road safety. The person that was showing the video had left the room and the video had finished and there was total silence in the room, I decided to ask the people in the room this question as I had thought one thing, and read 2 websites links last night that had been posted on thaivisa under the post heading of Highway Code in English. My knowledge to the answer was confused.

I would like to do a small survey here, as I believe that this rule is misunderstood. Please do not look up the answer, but answer truthfully to the best of your Knowledge. Please don't look ahead at other peoples answers. I am sure the results will be enlightening. I would also like to know a few other things. I will reply with my response early tomorrow morning.

The question is "At an uncontrolled intersection, (see diagram) when 2 similar vehicles arrive at a cross road intersection at the same time and same speed, both going straight ahead, who should go first? "

Definition Uncontrolled Intersection . A cross road with no traffic lights, or if there traffic lights they are, both not on or both are flashing amber, no signs as to who should give way, Also both roads are the same width.

Please state the answer in this order

1) A) Blue car first (Give way to the Right) OR Red car first Give way to the left OR C) Non't know D) I don't understand the question E) I am confused

2) What country you are from originally,

3) The side of the road you drive on there.

4) If give way to right or left in your home country

4) How long you have been driving/riding in Thailand.

Thanks to everyone who bothers to answer my questions.

Go for it!! I too have done many trips around India, and loved it. I have always done them myself. If you feel better on a tour, well go for that, at least go.

I travelled to Nepal back in 1986 2 up from Calcutta to Kathmandu and Pokara on a 350 Bullet, amazing views along the way.

My longest trip was on a 500 Bullet I bought at Lalli Singh's http://lallisingh.com/home.htm and was away 5 months covering 15000 Km. The most amazing time I could have with my pants on. This trip I headed south with some guys I met from Belgium that had hired bikes from Lalli too. We travelled down along the back roads through Rajasthan to Bombay.

I left all but one of my new friends in Bombay, then 2 of us travelled to Goa together.

He too had to go home, so the rest of my trip was just by myself.

In India you can never get lonely. I went down as far south to Humpi, (Not to be missed) and Om Beach, then Poona, across to Calcutta, and back to Delhi. Had a few problems with the bike, but it was an old one, but you can usually find someone that can fix it.

I have attached a few pictures to wet your appetite.

How about the classic the classic "The wild one" Marlin Brando

And Harley Davidson and the Marlbro Man, Electra.Glide.In.Blue, Ultimate factories Harley Davidson, The Wild Angels.(1966), Mad Max 1,, A girl on a motorcycle, Choppertown, the sinners, Hells Angels on Wheels (Jack Nicholson ) American Chopper, Evel Knievel, Hope I am not fired too.

I have a Nuvi 550 for my motorcycle, (waterproof) and have had to send it to Garmin Taiwan for repairs as they couldn't repair them in Thailand. I have had it for many years and have had to get it repaired 2 times now. The last time was only 1 month ago.

Maybe they can repair some models is Thailand.

Are you getting confused? I am. You say "My wife is soon to embark on a trip to LoS.

I rang Wesfarmer's ( one of the biggest companies in Oz) to get a quote .

The salesperson stopped me when I told him the destination saying they weren't allowed to issue policies for insurance for travellers to Oz.

Amazing! The place is better and safer than it has been for years but it's regarded as an unsafe place to travel to."

So is your wife in Oz and going to Thailand? Or in Thailand and going to Oz?

If she is in Oz and wants insurance to come to Thailand then I recommend www.ouch.com.au They insure through QBE and I have found them to be exceptional.

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Incredibly poorly written article with hardly any real information or actual reporting to back it up. After reading the entire piece, I know next to nothing about the subject at hand. Do we really need articles to tell us that slavery is bad? Don't we all know that? Then why not give actual information?

Could not agree more; a heap of buzzwords without any substantiating facts. Though we cannot deny the fact that too many people are exploited in the seafood industry it is not all of them. Besides Thai GDP is not mainly built on this industry there are plenty of others contributing; industrial, tourism, just to name a few.

Incredibly poorly written article with hardly any real information or actual reporting to back it up. After reading the entire piece, I know next to nothing about the subject at hand. Do we really need articles to tell us that slavery is bad? Don't we all know that? Then why not give actual information?

Don't know how much detail you need. The article surely is intended to create international ieadlines that this disgusting practice goes on and something positive comes from it. CP foods are at the start of the supply chain and the owner is I think the richest guy in Thailand so has the financial muscle to change things if he really wants to. For me personally I did not know specifically about the way the prawn industry operated and was quite shocked at the video as was my wife who is Thai. We are all culpable starting with CP foods, the retailers they sell to and you and I as the end buyer who enjoy our Tom Yam Kung.

I hope profit does not rule ok and this exposure will result in change but am not holding my breath.

The Guardian has a lot more information on this and many videos. Worth a look if you want more information.

http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/modern-day-slavery-in-focus

I really enjoy the majority of comments clearly posted by ex safety Nazis who for some reason beyond my comprehension have left the safety of their previous countries for the chaos and anarchy that apparently pervades the Thai roads. I am intrigued as to whether they would have listened to the rantings of a minority group 'back home', such as Afghan refugees if they decided to post their views as to how the road system in their adopted country should be modified according to what they believe to be the 'truth'. This is Thailand and it is not simply another state appended to the Us/Australian/British mainland thank God. Don't like the Thai way, there is an obvious alternative, so why not return to the safety of the nanny state from whence you came, and bask in the apparent security that this will afford you. Can someone please explain the craving that so many people have for greater law enforcement and the concomitant abrogation of liberty? Being in the minority here, I came to escape the right wing extremism that makes it possible for BIG government to regulate every aspect of our lives. This is clearly not a perspective shared by most who post here.

A lot of traffic laws are there to make things safer to avoid loss of human life. I live here with my Thai family and they don't particularly want to die. My wife is keen for me to avoid being killed on the road as she lost her first husband that way leaving her with a daughter under 2 years old. Why is the preservation of life referred to as a nanny state as if it's somehow wrong. Respecting life is part of Buddhism which as you know is supposedly very big here so it's not something farangs have brought with them we're just pointing out ways to achieve it.

The fact is that Thailand has a very high death rate on it's roads and based on that but taking into account the fact that it has more motor cycles which will lead to more deaths and the fact that deaths after 24 hours aren't counted the countries you mentioned are doing a better job of saving lives. I have to admit I like the more laid back approach but then I don't really do much that's not within the law anyway. it's nice not to have to worry about going slightly too fast through a speed cameras and if they could be shown not to work then I'd say get rid of them but that's not the case. When it comes down to it I couldn't justify the deaths of innocent adults and children just so I can have more freedom.

Maybe you could explain why you feel your freedom to do as you please is more important than human lives.

There's nothing wrong with western influence. You try to take away those influences and see what Thais think and consider what you would do sitting in a hut drinking Red Bull. Without outside help there wouldn't be much else. In fact you wouldn't be here anyway.

There are many things that could be done to cut the road toll, with out having to bring in draconian laws like many western countries have, especially where I come from. In Victoria, the most anal of the nanny states, where if you remove an Australian standard sticker off a helmet, even on the best helmet money can buy, you can be charged without wearing a helmet. (and most of Australia). When I was in Australia, I got paranoid every time I looked in the letter box that I may have possibly once more crept over the speed limit buy a few km/h and copped a hefty fine and lost points. over 12 points in 3 years, bye, bye licence. I would travel over 50000 km a year. Some people may not travel that far in a lifetime, but we are all on the same points system.

Melbourne, where the speed limit changes 20 times on the same road, in 10 kilometres, 40 km/h, 50 km/h, 60 km/h, 80 km/h and back to 40 km/h during certain times it is one speed, at other times a different one. Where you have to watch your speedometer more than the road. Where there are more signs warning you of everything you don't need to know. I don't want to have to live like that any more, that is one of the reasons I choose to live in Thailand.

So what can be done? How about starting with teaching safe driving/riding, make sure tail lights and headlights work on your vehicle so you can be seen at night, In Phuket 1 in 6 motorcycles don't have a tail light, and about 1 in 25 to 30 no headlight.

How about training/educating motorcycle riders to be more aware of what is happening around them, like what is behind them when they brake. Not cutting in, in-front of especially a truck only to hit their brakes hard. Not overtaking on blind corners. Learning the road is much more slippery in the wet, or with sand, gravel on it. Learning to ride for the conditions and experience they have. Teaching braking techniques, handling, counter-steering. Training, training, training.

Motorcycle shops should be educated how to check tire pressures, and it is NOT by squeezing the tires, it is with a tire pressure gauge.

How about starting with helmets that will protect you, not the plastic ones that most Thais (and farangs) wear. And while on helmets, banning chin cups like in most if not all western countries. How about the police setting a good example and wearing helmets all the time, and decent ones. Having minimum standards for helmets. Children (and adults) should be made to wear helmets. If parents understood how important that is, they might make their children on their bikes wear them. The government could and should subsidise the cost of these helmets so there is no excuse not to wear them, . A bit spent now, will save money, pain and death in the future.

Bangkok could be made safer for motorcycles if they were allowed to travel on express-ways, toll-ways, over all bridges and not having to stay in the left lane at all times, where they get cut off by trucks, cars and buses stopping pulling out of the left, cutting in to pick up passangers, and there are many more potholes and more oil on the road. Having more safety checks especially for heavy vehicles.

Near where I live there are 2 BMW police motorcycles, both with bald tires, one of the front ones has no tread at all in the middle.

I could go on for ages with suggestions, ones that won't effect the freedoms we have here.

Speed isn't the biggest killer on the roads, abuse of alcohol is, but please don't make our roads like in western countries.

I could live with these suggestions, and I believe they wouldn't effect your enjoyment of driving/riding and most people would find them acceptable. I believe my suggestions I have made here could cut the road toll by at least 40 or 50%.

PHUKET: -- The Provincial Land Transport Office (PLTO) has signed agreements with four colleges who will provide practical lessons on campus for learner-drivers, as part of a national drive to boost driving standards.

The four colleges, Rajabhat University Phuket, Phuket Technical College, Phuket Polytechnic College and Phuket Skill Development Centre, have all agreed to provide lessons, and are ready to start immediately.

Can I ask what qualification these trainers will have to teach driving? Are they getting any extra training so they know how to develop safe driving skills in the students? Just because they can teach maths or social science, how does that make them a good enough driver to teach the skills of safe driving?

You are talking about caps, where the original tooth is ground down and a porcelain cap covers the original ground down tooth.

An implant is is used when there is no tooth left. It is where a hole is drilled into the bone and a titanium cylinder is screwed in. Then a false tooth is screwed into the cylinder.

I knew he had it wrong as well, but did get me thinking, would it be worth the OP making a few enquiries in Pattaya and/or Bangkok. Might be significantly cheaper up there.

Just a thought.

Nah - I asked a dentist in Bangkok last week when having a good clean (they do that well so probably industrial bleach) and the standard price for an implant there was 60,000. Its now actually cheaper in Harley Street Dental Clinic in London which charge 45,000

I found it hard to believe your prices and had to google it.

http://harleystreetdentalimplantcentre.co.uk

The prices are very good, but not as cheap as you stated. Maybe did you had it done a while ago?

Dental Implant with Crown for £1195 (65670 Baht) All Inc. 3D CT scan inclusive

We had a former PM who was found wandering around in a daze and no pants outside his hotel .... never got a film explanation about that one either.

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Les Patterson ?

Sir Les Patterson, No.

Barring compications the price has been 10,000 Baht in the few places I have seen. My wife paid 20,000 for 1.

It appears it would be worth it to make a couple of trips to Isan. The price difference would more than make up for the price difference.

I got a crown done for 9,000 at Ram hospital in KK.

10000 baht?? you mean for a crown or an implant. I think you mean a crown.