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4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

In my belief, everything on the planet is part of "nature" ie part of God force, so while our bodies are animal, our brain makes us different from animals that are controlled by genes- we have imagination and the ability to choose what we do. Imagine if sheep had imagination- would they be content to just eat grass while waiting to become food?

While it's true that human brain, compared to body's weight, is bigger than animals', and our nervous system more developed, there is more than the physical reality to differentiate us from animals. 

To make it short, it's about consciousness, which is doesn't come from the brain. 

I think the brain can be compared to a computer, and there's an ego in charge of the computer. 

If it was just about the brain, every human would display the same level of consciousness, and that's clearly not the case.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Because we can be reborn as animals right? If reborn as animals, dont they also have consensus then? 

You make some good points on the 1st part of your post, which surely deserve a lot of debating !

Yet, to answer this question, i think it's unlikely for an individual soul (human) to incarnate again as collective soul (animal), but everything is possible, and at this point i can only speculate. 

4 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Of course we can only speculate at this point.
I guess a soul can have more than one incarnation where the personality plays the aggressor or victim, IF the lesson it set out to learn hasn't been fully learned the previous times. 
I agree with the "hierarchy in the evolution of souls" though. 

Agree with the lesson to be fully learned, as i have learned some truth in the past, but for some reason which is under investigation, i keep on doing mistakes.

As an old zen proverb says, "before enlightenment fetch wood and carry water, after the enlightenment, fetch wood and carry water".

6 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

All this is to say that in this light, there are neither wrongdoers nor victims. All souls have chosen to be incarnated and agreed to go through the life experiences they are living. This time around they may play the aggressor...

Agreed until this point, where i beg to differ.

Imho there is a hierarchy in the evolution of the souls, so it's unlikely, i guess, for a soul who has been aggressor and victim, to incarnate again as aggressor. 

A bit of a generalization,  i know, I'd bet that the "game" of incarnations is much more complex than that, and even more complex when trying to put into words.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

What is mental illnesses really? Isn't that often suppressing your own true feelings? 

 

I felt very strong about how we are treating the nature starting very young of age, and very sensitive to all wrongdoings, and still is, but I finely managed it by accepting it as human stupidity snd the true nature of us. There is no other way around it without become an activist or go mental.

 

I still can not believe people do not feel the same way as me and see the same things as me, and nobody really do care to talk about it except those who sacrifice they life to work against it and become an activist. common sense it not a natural sense in my opinion, and in my experience.

We can agree on that, and I've had similar feelings since i was a kid.

However, as i don't like to be criticized for my own choices, i have to concede that others don't like it too. I'd wish I'd be right all the time,  but most likely I'm not.

On a spiritual level, if one has to transcend the wickedness of the material world, one has to learn to forgive the perceived wrongdoers, i think.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Mental ill people often have periodically strong experiences, and is regarded as crazy, maybe they see something we do not see? 

I would say yes.

In the tales of extreme climbers who have survived terrifying ordeals at high altitudes, the appearance of supernatural beings is often mentioned, the same goes with fasting and yoga techniques. 

As for mental illness, aren't we all feeling uncomfortable with the surroundings to some extent, sooner or later in life ?

And isn't true that the best way to discredit someone is to brand him as crazy ?

4 minutes ago, The Old Bull said:

People invent gods to explain what they don't understand. When leaders cannot explain things to the peasants they cannot admit to their own ignorance so they need gods as an excuse.

We can agree that the leaders try to exert control on the masses by any useful means.

It was undoubtedly religion in the past, now it seems to be mostly science and technology. 

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Science is too primitive to understand spirituality, which is beyond the physical realm.

Science can't even bring world peace and is heavily involved in making weapons to kill people.

Yep, but give people cheap technology, and they will conveniently forget that.

Of course, some here would say that I'm "dismissing " science,  which is not true.

It's true that science can be a terrible weapon if controlled by the wrong people. 

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

and I just can not understand anyone have the right to demand this thread dead who nearly have participated to soon 16 000 posts, with very little moderation and no admin threatening to stop it. 

 

Amen.

4 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

How spiritual.

Sorry if you don't like it ????

11 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

However it is still better than two separate threads containing two echo chambers. One the believers and the other the non-believers, existing purely to pat each other on the back.

Thanks, but i don't need pats on the back, and I'm fairly sure that the other "spiritual searchers " here don't need it either. 

If you had bothered to read a few posts on this thread, you would know that there is no identity of views here, and in some case not even affinity. 

On the other hand, there's someone who judges the book without even reading it, so to speak, how pathetic is that ?

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

I'm not a big fan of pot, but I don't go into the pot threads and ask them to shut it down.

Why does it bother you so much that the thread should continue?

Amazing eh... and it's not the 1st time some people ask to close the thread.

I have some idea, but i don't want to offend those gentlemen. 

57 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

A guy was filming his trip to Ganges on Youtube and a fight broke out.

So was kind of funny. 

Lol, go to see the holy river and get stabbed ????

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Trees is magic, they bending physics's by grow taller than 10 meters which should be impossible sucking water above that height. Still buffles scientists how they do it.

 

I know you do not like youtube, so this one is for everyone else who is interested! 

 

 

Hey, it's not that i don't like youtube !

I just prefer to hear your ( and other posters) direct perception of reality. 

I may have a look at this video though ????

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I experienced one such in Ireland, at a place called Mellifont.

Interesting, i have heard respected masters talking about Ireland as a special place.

Can you say something more about your experience?

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

just thought of something.

maybe some places on earth have a more 'spiritual vibe' based on their geographical location.

a lot of spiritual types flock to sedona, arizona for instance.

sedona has 'vortexes' ie 'swirling centers of subtle energy'. 

maybe places like tibet and parts of india too are infused with some whiff of spirituality in the air?

never been to any of these places. 

but thanks neeranam. your posts inspired me to make a trek out to india. 

 

I have been reading about "energy lines", as a sort of an invisible grid of 'spiritual vibes", as you call them, but i remain a bit skeptical.

I was in Benares 40 years ago, holy place on the river Gange in India, and i was disappointed if not almost shocked, but it was rainy season.

In Vrindavan, despite the good weather and the good vibes, there was still something wrong.

Perhaps too much expectation..

..But whenever i see an old tree, especially if the sky is clear, i perceive good energy. 

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I hope you didn't think he was referring to you in particular, but he's right in that human kind in general is ugly ( greed, hatred and killing is not a beautiful characteristic ), and is destroying our environment as fast as we are able.

Sure, but personally I'm not greedy, i don't kill and i don't  hate, so he's barking at the wrong tree, so to speak.

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

???? You just cant help yourselves can you ????

 

Ego is a mans worst enemy I read somewhere

Yeah ok ????

8 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

So who is dumping the cr@p into the oceans? The Honey Bees?

 

I've read recently, that there is an idea to send our nuclear waste into outer space. Dear me! What will our neighbours think of us.

 

As far as I'm concerned, we have two main functions on this Earth. One is to keep it in pristine condition. And the other is to ensure that it remains so for future generations.

Of course 

9 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

So who is dumping the cr@p into the oceans? The Honey Bees?

 

I've read recently, that there is an idea to send our nuclear waste into outer space. Dear me! What will our neighbours think of us.

 

As far as I'm concerned, we have two main functions on this Earth. One is to keep it in pristine condition. And the other is to ensure that it remains so for future generations.

Well, i accept my part of responsibility for the nuclear waste in the sea and in the space, but i have faith in the "reset function " of our planet. 

Apparently it has happened before, and it will happen again.

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

It is we humans that are the ugly side of nature.

Well, i personally don't feel like I'm " the ugly side of nature ", but I'll take notice of your opinion.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Sometimes you have to read with a less serious mind, and just smile when a poor joke is presented.

Ok, sorry for taking you seriously ????

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Getting pretty close to it in Isaan as a National park as the closest neighbour ????

Well, pls forgive me, but i guess you're still using money to buy food, instead of hunting snakes or picking roots and berries in the wild, and use internet instead of smoke signals, thanks to civilization. 

Agree with the rest of the post, it seems a well balanced view.

3 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Take care of nature and it will take care of us.

Nature is beyond good and bad, just ask any victim of a natural disaster.

But if you want to blame everything on humans, just carry on.

Honestly, i would expect anyone who has such a rosy picture of nature, to go live in the wild, like our ancestors used to do, but that would be too hard, i guess.

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

We have everything we need around us. Nature is the key. It gives us understanding. It gives us beauty. It gives us love. And it should give us respect. Instead we fowl up nature at seemingly every opportunity

Perhaps you might consider the fact that humans are part of nature as a whole.

People who respect nature are part of nature, and people who destroy nature are part of nature too.

Perhaps human civilization has failed, but you might consider it as a fair attempt to improve the life of humans. 

5 minutes ago, xylophone said:

...this imaginary being, who by the way, also oversees...

Strange logic.. if he doesn't exist, how can he oversee anything?