mauGR1

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

What, are you telling me everyone disagrees with me??  I'm hurt.  And maybe never coming back, too.

Nah, i was telling him as politely as i could, that his assumption about a bunch of posters following the same cult, is not correct. 

On the karma, i think it might be, and probably is, that for most evolved souls, the cycle of death and rebirth is an easy game that they've done a 1000 times.

That process may be not that easy for those who avoid just considering the issue.

There are not a lot of people though who are accepting death as a part of life, most people don't like to talk about it.

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

sorry, i need to ask.

is this a thread or a cult?

you guys found your little corner of the forum to operate your cult?

nobody cares what terms you like or don't like. 

I like the term mumbo-jumbo, it sounds funny, although it smells a little of "white- supremacist".

If you look better, you may find that every one of the very few regular contributors have different ideas.

How different,  you have no idea ????

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

karma is fairly simple.

an 8 year old can understand it. 

 

I don't think it's that simple. 

Many acclaimed gurus explain karma in different ways.

There's something though, I'd like to say.

If " samsara" (the cycle of life and death) is real, and i believe is real, the man has the potential to transcend that dual reality, by acquiring consciousness. 

As long as we are prisoners of a physical body, with its physical desires though, we are living in a linear time,while occasionally, being able to imagine, with the highest part of our intellectual being, to transcend time/space.

If I'm allowed a metaphor, it's like contemplating the top of a mountain from afar, and planning to climb it to the top.

I know i can do it, but i know that i need some equipment. 

So, here we are, trying to figure out what equipment we need to climb that mountain ( or transcending time/space)

I think karma exists, and I've heard many explanations, some more convincing than others. 

Perhaps it's true that a number of people find a little comfort in this belief, but i don't see anything wrong with it. 

13 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

When we speak about higher Self, we can perhaps feel the connection better.

Ultimately, both terms point to the same thing. 

Agree, and the majority of the folks literally freak out if you speak them about religion and gods , so better avoid the subject altogether. 

1 minute ago, ravip said:

People are better imho, if they have something higher to look up to,....

 

Kind of a 'slave mentality' isn't it? 

No, i don't think so, honestly ????

It's, for me, more a physical impression of the vastness of the world and the skies. 

.. but maybe i understand your point..  if you're saying that the man is born to be free , i agree  !

Just now, Woof999 said:

Probably the best example of a post of yours that I'm mostly in agreement with.

 

The only thing that I would add is that the existence or not of a higher power is/should not be weighted on whether the world from our perspective would be better or worse, not least because that would be a subjective perspective with a high degree of variance per person.

That's correct, i guess, as you say it's a subjective impression of mine.

I guess , generally speaking, that such opinion is not very popular in the western world anymore.

But that's it, thanks to you too for your thoughtful posts.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Thank you, I feel blessed in the moment yest, and it is not always been like that, and also fully aware it is right here right now.

 

Past is past and future is unknown.

 

Cherish the moment

 

I got the cd with this group and this song I have carried since then since 2003. A valuable memory of him who is not with us anymore. He cherished the day, full of positivity until he passed away young doing what he loved most in life. I was at a bad place struggling at the moment, but I was in  progress, and still is

 

 

Congratulations, i like Morcheeba very much, great melodies that often come seemingly spontaneous to my head.

Having a garden and the time to design it must be one of the greatest joy, and keep you busy and slim too????

31 minutes ago, Woof999 said:

In other words, it is absolutely possible to be at total peace with your inner self, to see past all that is physical, to marvel at the beauty and complexity of nature without having to insist on its' creation by a higher power. Perhaps its the smarter outlook too.

 

Yes, perhaps it's possible, but what i call the anthropocentric vision can easily sunk a person into a materialistic vision, in other words, it doesn't seem to me that the world in general is getting better with the adoration of the physical. 

People are better imho, if they have something higher to look up to, even if this something is a more or less conscious product of one's imagination.

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

interesting theory.

it would make sense that human souls are subject to the laws of karma, but not animals.

 

 

Yes, i think so. Humans are "jivas" ,or individual souls, which implies responsibility for their actions. 

You can see that also in popular sayings, like:" there are not bad dogs, but there are bad owners ".

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If animals have souls, and I'm not convinced they do, ants would have a group soul, as they work as a unit, not individuals.

Yep, that's it, and dogs are another group soul, and so are lions and giraffes.

Other kinds of group souls are those ideologies, tribes, even, to some extent, countries and football team fans who are aware of some kind of unity of intents.

25 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I, for one, would like @Neeranam to divulge the rational behind his conclusion.

The concept of " group soul" which is apparently meeting some skepticism, is already on google.

How many folks are able to entertain that concept, i don't know.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What should kids really do, and what do they do? Any connection to the reality we live in today and the rise of mental health issues among the population?

The other day i read a lecture from my favourite master, according to whom, all feelings of uneasiness, including mental health issues,come from our own selfishness. 

I had a hard look at myself, and i have the impression that it's almost always true.

Of course there's not a magical formula for everyone to feel better, we are all different... but everyone, i guess, has to mediate between one's sacred individuality, and the not less sacred concept of brotherhood .

If i had to simplify this, i could say that doing good things for the others is a safe way to happiness, but, there are many if and buts... there's not even consensus of what is "good".

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A Stress hormone cocktail do have an bad effect on your hearth. Everything is not unknown or a mystery. I will not deny there could be other things affect brain and hearth, but feelings creates hormones that makes us hurt physically. 

 

Powerful Hormones at Work

Research shows a relationship between chronic stress and abnormal production of the stress hormones epinephrine (adrenaline), cortisol, and norepinephrine.

 

The body releases these same hormones when dealing with an episode of acute stress—for example, a situation that occurs within an instant, like when you narrowly avoid a car accident.

 

Adrenaline increases the heart rate, raises blood pressure, and increases energy supplies.

Cortisol floods the bloodstream with glucose and narrows the arteries.

Norepinephrine raises the heart rate, releases glucose into the bloodstream, and increases blood flow to the muscles.

But when the body experiences chronic stress—day after day, for an extended period of time—these hormones can start to have a detrimental effect on heart health.

 

https://www.medstarhealth.org/blog/heart-and-stress#:~:text=Powerful Hormones at Work&text=Adrenaline increases the heart rate,blood flow to the muscles.

Thanks, quite informative, but just on the biological aspect, which can be similar, but not identical in different persons or personalities. The mystery i was referring to, is the fact that feelings cannot imho be explained just in a biological way.

It seems that the biological mechanism can influence the feelings, but it's also true that feelings can influence our biological mechanism. 

If one sees those complex interactions as the connection between spirit and soul, and soul and physical body, there's plenty of mysteries to be uncovered. 

If one's satisfied with just the biological explanation, that's ok, but it's not enough for others. 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Scientists have told is that the heart is a pump.

But maybe it's a second brain of sorts ... it has something that science has yet to discover. 

Yes, that's interesting, I've been reading, unfortunately without much attention, a lecture about the heart seen as a sort of brain.

And it's indeed not by chance that the heart is associated to those mysterious bunch of feelings and emotions which are collectively labeled as "love ".

7 hours ago, Purdey said:

 

 

 

 

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13

 

Good post, most of the points would deserve a lengthy discussion, but let's say that the old testament is open to many interpretations, and surely it has been corrupted and wrongly translated in the millennia, some parts even totally omitted, because not functional with the narrative of the empires.

Imho, tales like the great flood are oral traditions antecedent to the script, and apparently all the populations of the new and the old world share similar stories.

Even Tolkien mentions a sunken continent in his interpretation of ancient northern legends.

Strange ruins around the world have possibly survived huge cataclysmic events.

Recently , theories about the ancient gods being in fact visitors from space abound, and some even say they could have been visitors from the future, or parallel universes. Some even swear that the " visitors from space" are already here, and have been here a long time.

Well, other people believe everything they see on the tv, and that's worrying me, and I'm afraid that all this sophisticated technology is drastically, too drastically altering our lifestyle. 

I think that belief in a creator god is not more silly than belief in the big bang.

26 minutes ago, Hummin said:

A scientist can say as a believer there is a soul, but as a scientist, he can not! 

Amen to that, but then one can also say that natural science is restricted to physical, measurable phenomena. 

Thus, saying that something which is not measurable, and unprovable by physical means doesn't exist, is a bit of a stretch imho.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Fungus in space? 

I would say definitely yes.

Although it's not easy to describe the invisible ????

19 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

I would disagree. The idea of cause and effect needs a linear timeline to work....a beginning (cause), a period of change and a resulting effect. This can only make sense on a plane that is restricted by time, such as ours.
If you take out time from the equation, then "cause and effect" become just floating moments in an eternal NOW.
For this reason, cause and effect seem to me the exception rather than the rule, when it comes to planes of reality.
 

In a way i pretty much agree.

I guess it's about from which point of view you are looking at it.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm living in the linear time, in the spiraling time and in the eternal present altogether. 

Not sure if that make sense to you though ????

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

how can you prove the soul exists?

how do you define it? 

 

I've been trying for years to explain with my words, and it's been totally unsuccessful. 

I think that @Tippaporns definitions are quite similar to mine.

However, it's most important to remove some prejudice and try to understand with an open mind. 

Personally i find Rudolf Steiner's dissertation on his book "Theosophy" very clear, but other people may find other books more inspiring. 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Newton 3. Law For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. The statement means that in every interaction, there is a pair of forces acting on the two interacting objects. The size of the forces on the first object equals the size of the force on the second object.

 

Not only in physics but also in many cases a truth in psychology as well.  

Yes, the law of cause and effect works on all planes of reality, that's imho one of the basic laws of the nature and the supernatural. 

Of course to reach a perfect understanding of those laws is a tough job.. 

I find always useful to compare natural science to what spiritual masters have to say on the subject. 

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There will always be a 70% no matter what it is who follow blindly in the right setting without thinking for themselves, but leave that to those find leadership with and comfort. 

 

 

I have to say that i agree with you most of the time, nonetheless, for some reason, i feel compelled to talk about ????

14 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I don't mean to barge in, mauGR1  but this one's pretty easy.

The definition of soul varies from  individual to individual.  Christianity holds that we have a soul, as though it were some thing.  To me the definition of soul is that we are a soul.  We are a soul garbed in flesh, blood and bones.  Therefore the proof is staring at you right in the mirror.

Humm, are you confusing me and savethefrogs ?

Just to make things clear, i agree on most of your definitions of "soul".

11 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

That's true, and i never thought that "throwing stones " could solve anything, but here we're just talking, right ?

However, a passive acceptance of injustice is not solving any issue.

I find " Popper's paradox" quite interesting in this regard, pls have a look if you don't know it already. 

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm not sure they'd be so dumb as to deny subjective reality.  It's not at all subtle, though.  I'd say kinda in yer face.

Perhaps i was being too subtle ????

Well, the new scientism cult denies the existence of the soul, that's in my view a subtle attack on subjective reality. 

.. as for the subtlety of it all, roughly 70% of mankind don't ask questions, but follow blindly.