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3 minutes ago, DualSportBiker said:
That is precisely what they did and he refused to engage with the lawyer. The criminal case was a last resort because he failed to be civil.
So speak to Trip Advisor. The hotel should never have allowed him to spend any time in jail. By perusing this case with the police, they knew this was a possibility.
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3 minutes ago, DualSportBiker said:
Hopefully most potential visitors here are not as stupid as the muppet-in-question who made accusations of illegal activity, not poor service. If you can't see the difference you are seriously challenged.
Sorry, do you think most people who read the headlines will be concerning themselves with what exactly was written?
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3 minutes ago, DualSportBiker said:
Criticism is subjective. Accusation of using slave labour is an accusation of committing a crime. Slow food service, bad AC, mould on the curtains, warm beer - these are critiques of services paid for an open to subjective criticism. Use slave labour, cheat on taxes, hit customers, steal customers' belongings are accusations of criminal activity and can't be made without proof unless the author wants a formal response from the accused.
So sue him. This is a civil case. Not a criminal one.
How easy would it have been to have a lawyer contact him and keep everything 'civil'.
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1 minute ago, DualSportBiker said:Maybe you can ignore the false statements he made about slave labour and consider his review an honest critique of services he paid for. Others will see it for what it was; a blatant lie posted 'cause he was upset at being let off a corkage fee that is standard practice.
It's not about what I choose to read or ignore. A person being jailed for a bad review is the context many people will take from the story. These people are potential visors to Thailand.
As they say, you don't use a sledgehammer to kill a fly.
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32 minutes ago, worgeordie said:
400 kilos, it would have been for export....
regards Worgeordie
But I thought that kind of behaviour was a small matter?
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6 minutes ago, steven100 said:
Well I would expect in Australia you would have to front court that's for sure, then the court would determine if you should be punished by way of jail time or not, but it doesn't happen overnight.
As for the latter question .... If the criticism is true and correct then there has been no attempt or implied defamatory against the other party and as such would be deemed non-liable. imo
But i'm not a lawyer .. lol
No, this simply wouldn't happen in Australia.
So.........what if these accounts were paid for by the tax payer? What if they were pretending to be normal members of the public but were really just soldiers promoting the government and criticizing the opposition? Would you be okay with this kind of use of tax payer's funds?
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5 minutes ago, steven100 said:
I just don't get your thinking on a lack of common sense and practicality sometimes.
The guy did wrong but you try to turn it around.
Try doing what he did in Australia and see if you get off with an apology. Try posting in any country with lies on many websites and see what happens, i'm sure you be sued in most of them and especially in the US. LOL
As for your other question on army tweets, I don't follow twitter or army tweets so I cannot comment.
So he'd have gone to jail in Australia over this? Amazing.
Let me make the latter question more simple; If someone is proved to have created hundreds of fake accounts to promote one thing and criticize another, should they also be sued and sent to jail?
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1 minute ago, steven100 said:
The guy refuses to pay the standard corkage charge.
The guy then writes defamatory posts which were supposedly lies on not one or two sites but many.
what do you think ..... If I was the hotel owner I'd sue him too
That's the owner's prerogative. He can sue 'til the cows come home. After all, this should be a civil case and not a criminal one.
As for my question about suing the Thai Army for their fake twitter accounts spreading lies, you agree, right?
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8 minutes ago, steven100 said:
exactly, If you are going to defame someone then make sure it's true.
Also, if he just posted it on one or two sites it may not have escalated, however he was trying to be a smart_ss and posted it on many sites.
He's been caught out and now he has egg on his face.
So, Steven, can we infer you agree the army should face defamation charges for their 900+ fake twitter accounts that have been removed? You know - the ones promoting Thing one and Thing Two and defaming the opposition?
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3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:He did not write A bad review. He wrote four or more. There are several bad reviews about the hotel. One claiming bed bugs etc. None have been removed. None have been accused of deformation.
The guy obviously has anger management issues as indicated in his history in USA.
He was lucky.
"What could one take away from this?" Is what I said.
We can go into the semantics of it all, but this is an example of a headline from a global publication.
Again, what might people take away from this new episode: "Man jailed for bad review and then apologises. Says he was lying" I'm guessing this is what some people might take away from all of this.
Do you think this is a good look? Do you think people abroad will go much further beyond the headlines? This is a civil case. As in the hotel could sue this man. Having him jailed is a terrible look.
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15 minutes ago, NanLaew said:But he didn't simply compose a "bad review" did he? He posted lies, deceit and personal opinions jaded by Lord knows what.
Even after Tripadvisor deleted his original post, he did it again.
Several times.
So he’s trolling.
Whether you agree with the outcome or not, the headlines read that a man was jailed for writing bad reviews of a hotel in Thailand. And that’s all many tourists or potential tourists will take from it.
That in itself is very damaging. The actions of the hotel and police were way over the top and this could have been nipped in the bud far more easily.
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12 minutes ago, warcy said:The problem is not about writing a single bad review, the problem is reporting fake comments on multiple websites and same website over many weeks just to defame that hotel.
If the comment is genuine, it's acceptable but not when it's full of malice and half-truth.
It was three comments that were published, and criticism of anything is subjective.
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35 minutes ago, webfact said:The defamation case against an American man who posted damaging reviews about a hotel in Koh Chang has been settled after he admitted lying and apologized.
What could one take away from this? Write a bad review, get arrested and put in jail, and then apologise and say you were lying. It's still the same message; write a bad review and we'll send you to prison.
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3 hours ago, webfact said:A panel will be established to investigate the breach of duty, which could result in a salary cut, demotion or dismissal.
Words fail me.
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27 minutes ago, webfact said:Poll: Majority of Thais say "NO!" to foreign tourists
Capital letters and an exclamation mark. Did they really answer the question with such ferocity?
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5 hours ago, webfact said:
“The PM said Kor Khor 43 rice is good for your health and suitable for diabetic patients or people who wish to lose weight,” she said.
No wonder he took so long to find a finance minster if this is the sort of nonsense he feels he needs to be quoted on.
Maybe they should put this in Prawit's daily jok (conjee). Maybe a lovely picture of Prayut spoon-feeding him and wiping his mouth clean.
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9 hours ago, webfact said:
Arkhom to take over as finance minister on Oct 12
And not a second sooner!
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58 minutes ago, webfact said:
The mother said removing a child’s clothes in front of her classmates was unacceptable, and worse when an adult male is present because he may get aroused by the naked child
Yea, that's just offensive to men.
This teacher is a bad person, but why did she feel she could get away with this kind of behaviour? I'm guessing she thought the school didn't care or even encouraged it. The management should be arrested as well for gross negligence.
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21 hours ago, webfact said:
He also said that in cases like this people are criticized for having lawyers but that is their right just as those in murder or rape cases would have someone speak for them
Great point. If anyone ever criticizes you for getting a lawyer, draw comparisons between yourself and a murderer or rapist.
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Is the picture above just a generic one of the police, or did they feel the need to have coppers dressed up like Black Noir?
They do know the teachers involved only act tough when faced with tiny children, right?
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Just do what they did on my old soi; install big, expensive looking storm drains. Have people arrive in brand new Mercedes wearing khaki uniforms to inspect the drains have been done properly. People say this only happened 'cos someone very important has a house on the soi, but I'm sure they'd do this kind of work to any soi if the residents asked, right?
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Not long after I first moved here I had a Thai university lecturer ask me to proofread her dissertation for some doctoral study. Thinking it might be interesting to do I accepted. Dear Lord, was that a painful exercise. I had no idea what she was trying to convey. It's not because I didn't understand the subject, it was 'cos it literally made no sense. Just word salad. A mix of copying and pasting perfect English from a text with her own incoherent ramblings using poor English.
In the end I just made sure it was grammatically correct. It made no sense at all. She later text me to thank me and tell me she passed. Honestly, no one could have made sense of this dissertation. It has no place inside a university. It was the kind of thing you'd expect to see scratched on the walls inside a lunatic asylum.
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13 hours ago, BritManToo said:
Foreign teachers get a lot less than Thai teachers IMHO.
No pension, rarely social security, short-term contracts, no access to the cheap loans, no health insurance for kids/spouse/parents.
Sure, but that's looking at the bigger picture.
All the parents will care about is that they're paying for a whitey and getting a Thai face. And as for the Thai teachers, all they'll see is a half Thai teacher being paid maybe 40k a month with less of a workload.
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9 minutes ago, JeffersLos said:A female friend of mine is half Thai half English, raised in England.
She did some teaching in one private school here and was told by the agency to not mention she is half Thai or can speak Thai to anyone at the school.
She said she actually wished she wasn't Thai just so she wouldn't understand all the stuff the Thai teachers there talked about, thinking she couldn't understand. ????
I learnt to speak Thai quite well. I yearn for the days I didn’t understand. Saying that; I wish sometimes I didn’t understand English either.
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American expat avoids jail for negative review - reaches settlement with Koh Chang hotel
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Thanks.
But reality and idealism are rarely the same thing.
People will read the headlines. People will be shocked. That will factor in massively whether or not people will chose to come or not. Having someone sent to jail for comments made online isn't right or just. It's ridiculous and people will quite rightly not like it.
The idea was to save the hotel's reputation. They made it a hundred times worse. This is what the kids would call an 'epic fail'.