pastitche

The headline should say Incompetent Thai employees "restless"

Most of them not interested in carrier, and want more for money without improving their productivities. They only work harder when they think they get commission, not ethics in their work behavior, etc etc,

Thai government is making things worse by mandating salary increase without skill increase.

Today I went to Subway at MBK and the cashier was more interested to watch her small tv than helping customers

That is a damning condemnation of all Thai employees; I agree entirely. I had a haircut 3 days ago and, would you believe it, she was continually distracted by speaking to my wife?

Incidentally, why would they be interested in carriers?

People in All countries complain that education is too Expensive. Education is the biggest racket in the West now it is coming to Thailand. It is time for the students to realize it is a waste of time and money for 60 per cent of the Students I am glad I quit school at the age of 14 years and made a fortune raising pigs

Harry you're a fantasist but I love it!

Yes the weather is particularly bad today but I have stocked the fridge full of beer and battening down the hatches for the evening.

Sure there is some beautiful scenery here...I love to go walking around the Highlands. Too lazy for the longer routes but plenty to see nonetheless.

Its a welcome retreat from the nagging of my lassie. (I hope she don't read this )

Back to the LOS soon enough folks...don't feel too sorry for me...I have a blessed life with the best of both worlds really. We can all find things to complain about if we try hard enough.

Yes plopmeister the forum is more fun these days. I attribute that to some excellent and truthful yet fun posters. They are a good bunch. Also a mention for the mostly excellent, consistent and more reasonable mods we have now. (hope that is OK to say)

Onionluke that is a fascinating fact. How is Macau? I have yet to visit. Was in Vietnam and Cambodia a lot the last couple of years but that is on the to do list.

pastitche sadly I am an East Coaster at heart so prefer a good white pudding. Mind you the smell rising from the bag is similar enough. Haggis is a breakfast thing for me.

473geo were you standing next to me in the Fluke this afternoon? He lost as well...mind he offered to buy me a beer too. Maybe you have voted in that thread too? As a Spurs fan I was happy enough to get fourth. The UK this time of year is OK....plenty of sunlight hours which I love.

chops what's up mate? i never thought that at all....

Young man it is not sad to be an East Coaster and I should have realised that you were given that excellent delicacy you chose as your nickname. White pudding (sometimes known as mealy pudding) is OK, I could find that when I lived in central Scotland but perhaps you could tell me about the red pudding I have seen on sale in Fife and other places up that way?

A vegetarian in his position deserves to have Sweeney Todd as his barber.

Yes Clemency is virtuous and might be a generous act but you must take into account the heinousness of the crime and his previous malign history.

It was no ordinary bottle of sauce - it was HP sauce named so because of its display of the Palace of Westminster. Thus he insulted a symbol of the oldest democratic institution in the world (forget about the Athenians, they were more elitist than the Thais). Displaying contempt for the Mother of Parliaments is surely a treasonus act

Apart from that he is a piss-poor singer but persists in coming home wailing tunelessly.......

I'm not quite sure how to start this thread because it's a long history of my relationship with creatures who don't understand what I say- a bit like my Thai stepdaughter.

However let me tell you a long and boring story.

I have never been a cat-lover, I think their function in human society has only ever been important in killing rodents which were eating our corn when we were an agrarian society; since most of us have no direct interest in farming now, what is their purpose?

However my daughter has always loved cats and always had a cat or two after she left home. She has spent most of her adult life working in International schools but left the cats with friends..

The big problem arose for me when, after a spell in Peru, where she had bought two Persians and then brought them back to the UK. I had been to visit her in LIma so knew the cats bit then she went to Malaysia so they were left with me for lengthy periods and to be honest I got to like these two little buggers who couldn't go outside because they'd grown up in an apartment in a city centre.

When I came to Thailand my wife's neighbour (before we moved, her sister and mother still live there) had a beautiful Siamese cat which came to visit daily. In spite of her aristocratic pedigree heritage, she got herself pregnant by the local rough trade but proudly brought the little mongrel kittens to show thm off.

Unfortunately, visiting her sister my wife ran over and killed two of the four kittens and came home in complete distress. To make amends and avoid bad Karma I persuaded her that we should take care of the two survivors.

That worked perfectly until today but the male today was on the dining table, knocked over and broke my bottle of HP Sauce.

Should I kill him (painlessly of course)?

He should be taken out and shot, the dastard.

Smokie, you are feeling low - the weather's <deleted> over there even now that it's the verge of summer and you're missing the charms of your Thai lady. That's just natural. But you have all the attractions of our native land to take your mind off that. You know what I mean, haggis suppers, cold but not heavy rain that goes on for days, pints of heavy, the endless debate about Rangers and being very careful in Old Firm boozers,

Come back soon

Cricket is an absurd game, 11 vs 2! Let both sides take the field and see how the fielding side cope with being tackled and additionally introduce the offside rule.

Cheerleaders would be good though.

I nominate theblether as the captain of the TV team.

Are you sure we should have a Scot captaining the team.

My only experience of Scottish cricket was when I had tickets for the ICC world cup game in Leicester for Scotland v West Indies with Brian Lara as captain. We were all set for a decent day of exhibition cricket, despite having all our beer confiscated on the way in, but unfortunately, having won the toss, Scotland decided to bat.

It was all over pretty quickly though the WI did get some pretty impressive bowling figures in - unfortunately I missed most of the match queuing at the bar for the one round we managed to get in before it all was over.

Mike Denness?

Smokie started this post at 4:52am; he's pished already. Don't give him any more

Harrry old chap do you live in a vacuum sealed off from the earthshaking moments of modern history? Are you really unaware that the Stone of Destiny was returned in 1996 (by, of all people, that little quisling Michael Forsyth at the behest of his mistress, Baroness Thatcher)? It resides in Edinburgh Castle, perhaps an inapproprite location since Edinburgh is named after Edward the First who stole it in the first place.

Wee Eck, the Scottish First Meenister, has no desire for a republic; like HM the Queen he is a horseracing fan and he gets a lot of good tips from her

theblether reflects on the fact that the level of onomatopoeic expression on this topic are at roughly the same mental age as theblether current finds himself ( that being 9 months old )

The Crime..................falling asleep during English classes when onomatopoeia was taught

The Punishment........you are hereby sentenced to reading Mobi's blog

That will teach you for trying to be wide

The crime ... falling asleep when the English teacher taught the difference between alliteration and onomatopoeia

The Punishment ... Boom Boom Bang Bang

Okay.....I'll do the boom boom bit,

The things I do for Thaivisa

Please do try the Bang Bang as well, at least twice; there are subtle differences that a connoisseur such as you will find fascinating.

But what crime would you have to commit here to be forced to wear these?

I remember as a young laddie...playing football in the field and one of our friends comes walking across the grass wearing....

I still don't know to this day what he did to deserve that. he must be scarred for life.

Crime: bitter comments by the Scots about their conquerors

Punishment: ban on using (normally misusing) the English language

Crime: not realising that the a Scot assumed the English throne and all subsequent monarchs are there because of their Stuart blood

Punishment: listening to the broadcasts of the Scottish parliament.

theblether reflects on the fact that the level of onomatopoeic expression on this topic are at roughly the same mental age as theblether current finds himself ( that being 9 months old )

The Crime..................falling asleep during English classes when onomatopoeia was taught

The Punishment........you are hereby sentenced to reading Mobi's blog

That will teach you for trying to be wide

The crime ... falling asleep when the English teacher taught the difference between alliteration and onomatopoeia

The Punishment ... Boom Boom Bang Bang

Gilette SC...Wilkinson is a bloke who gets on his knees and prays to a set of posts...not a religious idol.

Plenty of crime and punishment there I guess....not enough over the years in my opinion!

I love the way he squeezes one out before every goal. His dietician must be a genius. Do you reckon he has to plan his breaks better than Jimmy White (could be a bit or rhyming slang there...)

SC

You have just resolved a puzzle I have struggled with for years; so the little f**ker doesn't have praying mantis genes

It's only an issue because those of us who are born into a Western society are not used to the germs and bacteria that are in Thailand. I think the main problem is, we spend so much time and effort worrying about germs in our home countries that our body has no immune system to fight off these germs should we come into contact with them. That's why so many tourists and foreigners get sick off the food and water and whatnot.

I see on a regular day to day basis meat and other foods being handled in such a way that you wouldn't dream of in my home country and sometimes it does weird me out a little but I'm still alive afterwards. Of course I've have the dreaded case of food poisoning and whatnot but I think it's down to our body's immune system not being strong enough to fight off germs and bacteria which enter our bodies.

This is true. I was raised on haggis and black pudding.

Being a poor family of course we couldn't afford a cooker or even some wood for a fire so we used to eat them raw.

Of course this wasn't too much of a hardship if supplemented by foraging for worms from time to time. So many happy memories.

Now I never get sick. Ever.

You're making that up; haggis and black pudding are luxury items, so you weren't poor..... I bet you even washed them down with Irn-Bru, you plutocrat

Its as poor as it gets in Marchmont. Back to your slum you vagrant!

Whit? Marchmont? Fur coat and nae knickers.....

It's only an issue because those of us who are born into a Western society are not used to the germs and bacteria that are in Thailand. I think the main problem is, we spend so much time and effort worrying about germs in our home countries that our body has no immune system to fight off these germs should we come into contact with them. That's why so many tourists and foreigners get sick off the food and water and whatnot.

I see on a regular day to day basis meat and other foods being handled in such a way that you wouldn't dream of in my home country and sometimes it does weird me out a little but I'm still alive afterwards. Of course I've have the dreaded case of food poisoning and whatnot but I think it's down to our body's immune system not being strong enough to fight off germs and bacteria which enter our bodies.

This is true. I was raised on haggis and black pudding.

Being a poor family of course we couldn't afford a cooker or even some wood for a fire so we used to eat them raw.

Of course this wasn't too much of a hardship if supplemented by foraging for worms from time to time. So many happy memories.

Now I never get sick. Ever.

You're making that up; haggis and black pudding are luxury items, so you weren't poor..... I bet you even washed them down with Irn-Bru, you plutocrat

And yet the last Dem-led government wasn't disbanded for it's blatant use of a banned politician in the formation of it's coalition.

As we have been so clearly instructed by PTP-fans, Red Shirt fans and the EC - it isn't against election-laws to cooperate with banned politicians. They are merely only disallowed from themselves taking seats in parliament or the government.

First can I say that I have not studied the ideology of Libertarianism sufficently to differentiate it from the ideology of Anarchy, so I don't understand completely your beliefs.

However it is my understanding that the Constitution of Thailand and Organic Laws about Political parties do not specifically prohibit banned politicians from giving financial support and "advice" to those parties. That may be due to the rush to rewrite these laws following the last coup but it makes it difficult to initiate action for disbandment unless it can be proven that a banned politician had an executive position in the party.

So in your lengthy non-responsive reply you are trying to say that PTP and Thaksin did nothing wrong? Which is what I wrote [that you guys feel] in my post. And thereby pointing out that then, by using deductive logic, neither did BJT do anything wrong when they took advice from their own Newin. So what is Siam Simon complaining about?

You guys need to decide on a position and keep it. Preferably all Red Shirt fans also need to decide that you cannot populate all positions of an argument depending on what makes you win the debate...

I thought that you might be able to understand that I was saying that the law is the arbiter of right and wrong and in my opinion the laws in Thailand have not been contravened by either party; so had you read it properly you would have realised I was not supporting SiamSimons's point.

You may wish to assume that anyone who disagrees with you is a supporter of "the other side" but that is merely an assumption. I am not a "Red Shirt fan".

If you want to respond to what I did say without trying to extrapolate as you did above, feel free to do so. Remember however suggesting "you are trying to say..." is most unwelcome in my case

And yet the last Dem-led government wasn't disbanded for it's blatant use of a banned politician in the formation of it's coalition.

As we have been so clearly instructed by PTP-fans, Red Shirt fans and the EC - it isn't against election-laws to cooperate with banned politicians. They are merely only disallowed from themselves taking seats in parliament or the government.

First can I say that I have not studied the ideology of Libertarianism sufficently to differentiate it from the ideology of Anarchy, so I don't understand completely your beliefs.

However it is my understanding that the Constitution of Thailand and Organic Laws about Political parties do not specifically prohibit banned politicians from giving financial support and "advice" to those parties. That may be due to the rush to rewrite these laws following the last coup but it makes it difficult to initiate action for disbandment unless it can be proven that a banned politician had an executive position in the party.

phiphidon

Don't you just hate it when all this happens ! Thaksin is an earthworm and yoooooou support him! Looooooser!

Sadly due to your Money Miesters miscalculations this will probably be how communism almost comes to Thailand, how he and his clan piss off to Dubai and how much blood is spilled in Thailand. You should be ashamed of yourself! The reds will have their say and they will dump Thaksin in a nano second. Jatuporn for PM anybody? remember where you heard it first! Thaksins payments of a few million baht to these guys has just got a little bit too little! They now know that they can have their cake and eat it!! Thaksin, Yingluck and the rest are history!

Where is the problem if Thailand chooses communism, socialism or any combination thereof ??

Why is this ipso facto a problem ?

There are many successful socialist countries.

What are you afraid of ?

Witch communist country´s is successful, North Korea or Cuba?

philw said there are many successful socialist countries. Are you equating socialist with communist? North Korea - a military controlled pseudo-monarchy sounds like neither to me; Cuba is not a lot different in its polity but has had the additional problem of the USA's attempts to destroy its economy and its leadership. Scandinavia however does have eminently successful societies which would describe themselves as socialist.

pastitche, why would it collapse in court,???? what court, under sisters guidance. ?? Poor illustration-bringing Abhisit into the frame. What happened Prior to the election, and during and post election, he deserves more than 2 years, Near NO bloodshed would have happened if him and his billions had kept out of it. (He did promise he was out of politics) but isn't just like the famous family promise.

I really don't know how to make it clearer but I will try

I am making no points about Thaksin and his guilt. He has been found guilty and sentenced. Nor did I refer to the events of 2010.

I made the point that "Thaksin thinks, Pheau Thai acts" can be construed in different ways because of the lack of conjunction between the phrases. It would collapse in any court because it is open to a number of interpretations and any prosecutor, trying to have PTP banned on that basis would recognise that it could not stand as evidence that he was involved in the management of PTP.

Unlike you I take no sides in the ongoing hostilities in here and what I post is frequently as in this case based on what the law in Thailand is.

You obviously responded to my earlier post without understanding its content; I believe you to be a native English speaker so I cannot understand why that would be the case.

Speaking of English, a Thai court is not going to consider an English-language "conjunction" between the English-translated phrase of a Thai-language campaign slogan.

Very likely if any prosecution occurred, it would occur based upon what was said and written in Thai.

But it's all moot anyway, as prosecution isn't going to occur based solely on that aspect and would, instead, be based on other aspects and actions.

What remains is the number of people who have violated it and the severity of the violations. TRT and PPP have had dozens and dozens of its Banned From Politics violate the spirit of the law, whereas BJT has had one, Newin. That aspect is always avoided by those with the "But, Abhisit" key on their keyboard.

As said before, the spirit of the law needs to be clarified and strengthened... but that is not likely to be high on PTP efforts at constitutional changes. They seem much more he11-bent to weaken the already toothless law and other regulatory laws that hamper its ability to exert control over the populace.

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I agree with you that in a Thai court, the Thai version would of course be used. I was pointing out to ozmick that the phrase "Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts" so often quoted on here would be easily refuted as evidence. I am sure you would agree that is true.

I have for so many years been accused of being pedantic, that I think it may be true.

I do not believe that the "spirit of the law" exists, only the letter of the law. If a law does not reflect the intention of legislators then the problem lies with the drafting of the legislation and the legislators' acceptance of flawed bills. So if you aver that the spirit of the law has been violated, you are chasing phantasms.

You are of course correct that PTP are unlikely to seek the changes you would like to see. However if they did, then it is unlikely that they would make the changes retrospective. It is very unusual to change legislation to make an offence of an act undertaken when it was not illegal. It can be used of course to create retrospective immunity for an act that was criminal when committed

Whybother, we both know that Thaksin is the de facto leader of PTP. The law as it stands says that no banned politician can be an executive of a political party; it doesn't say that he cannot provide it with financial support and "advice".

Need I say more?

Yes ... you could. Find some references ... please ... I can't find anything.

I don't think the law just bans the person from being an executive. IIRC, it stops them from being involved in elections, and some references say "not allowed to be involved in politics".

It certainly doesn't just stop them from being an executive, since that would still allow them to be an MP.

No an executive of a banned party is excluded for 5 years I believe.

It's too late now for me to look it all up but I recall last year reading the appropriate legislation and thinking that it was so badly drafted they couldn't nail Thaksin with a Hilti gun.

I'm sure Buchholz will pick up on this. If not I will try to look further tomorrow

But you quoted me; if you want to argue with him about Thaksin's popularity feel free to respond to him.

You picked the argument. You quoted my response to Kerry.

I was pointing out your continued obsession with the term majority. I am happy that you appear to accept now that the government has been legitimately elected, so we can live happily ever after

You point out something, then question why I respond?

When have I said they weren't legitimately elected?

I questioned why you responded to me about Thaksin's popularity

To have had such a difficulty with accepting the term majority that you for months had a signature defining plurality led me to beleve you felt that they did not represent the Thai electorate's wishes. We can argue forever about what constitutes electoral legitimacy and dictaorship of the minority but we have to live with the fact that this government is in power, under the Constitution of Thailand so what's the point?

I really don't know how to make it clearer but I will try

I am making no points about Thaksin and his guilt. He has been found guilty and sentenced. Nor did I refer to the events of 2010.

I made the point that "Thaksin thinks, Pheau Thai acts" can be construed in different ways because of the lack of conjunction between the phrases. It would collapse in any court because it is open to a number of interpretations and any prosecutor, trying to have PTP banned on that basis would recognise that it could not stand as evidence that he was involved in the management of PTP.

Unlike you I take no sides in the ongoing hostilities in here and what I post is frequently as in this case based on what the law in Thailand is.

You obviously responded to my earlier post without understanding its content; I believe you to be a native English speaker so I cannot understand why that would be the case.

The statement on it's own would probably fall over in court. It's the actions that have gone along with the statement that would have them in trouble (if it ever got to court, which it won't).

Whybother, we both know that Thaksin is the de facto leader of PTP. The law as it stands says that no banned politician can be an executive of a political party; it doesn't say that he cannot provide it with financial support and "advice".

Need I say more?