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10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Sorry. If you're accusing me of being some sort of AI bot or I don't know what. I use speech to text. I happen to be bouncing about the city in the last hour on foot and don't have my reading glasses on

 

Sorry if some of that's just gibberish

Sure you are.

On 9/18/2024 at 7:10 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

At last.  I hear you and can understand most of what you are saying, and I do agree with some of your points. You have made a very good summary of what the issues are with regards to Trump as a person (flawed) and how divided politics currently is in the USA.

 

However, before I go into a few things in response - and like you I dont want just to throw abuse back and forth - there is a view on things that you may not have considered enough.  When someone is clearly in one side of the political divide, it is very hard for them to truly see the errors and inconstancies and the faults of that side they have chosen - but they can see every single flaw and fault of the other side.  In that position it is very hard for a person to reconcile their own formed views against any factual situation that challenges that view - it is called cognitive bias.  According to Google, 'Cognitive bias is a systematic thought process caused by the tendency of the human brain to simplify information processing through a filter of personal experience and preferences. The filtering process is a coping mechanism that enables the brain to prioritize and process large amounts of information quickly.'  And that is as viable an explanation as I can find - and I am certainly not immune from it either. 

 

However, although not immune, I can see the arguments about Trump and his personality 'disorder' and his growing mental slow down - absolutely.  But aside from the mental slowdown part, that 'personality disorder' is extremely common in hyper successful men - Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison etc etc etc. They all have a personality disorder as such, and they all have a very strong ego and self belief - those traits are absolutely necessary to become what they have become - it is genetic - you can 'grow it'.  I know that makes Trump very 'unappealing' to many people - but if I was to say to you that Obama was not the smooth sweet lovely man that he portrayed himself to be - would you accept and understand that he is a diplomatic politician and he has the social skills to perform that act brilliantly - and that was why he was selected over Hillary, who is far less 'convincing'.  I have met many politicians and the top dogs are those that have the ability to stab you in the back while smiling to your face - the King of them being Bill Clinton.  Trump is not a good experienced and seasoned politician at all - but I accept that (and all his flaws) because he has IMO the right policies compared to the Dems (as I listed before).  He is by far the better option to have as POTUS in the current world situation - especially with the situations developing in Europe and Russia. 

 

The USA is being presented witrh the choice between 2 very personally flawed people, but I am certain that if Trump is elected and becomes the POTUS again, he will achieve a good outcome for USA and the World. Hopefully that will happen and people like yourself who can see/hear the 'other side' will then accept that he did a good job and that they were wrong.

 

I also thought Bill Clinton was a charlatan, and to some extent he was/is, but he achieved a lot of good things. Impeaching him for being caught being 'naughty' with a female intern was one of the biggest mistakes the GOP has ever made - it was what IMO started the divide in USA politics. The inevitable hatred that has flowed from then, made into an artform by the Dems and stupidly ignored by the GOP, is not a good thing and it aint over yet. One more term for Trump in a landslide win is the answer IMO - because I think he will bridge the divide - after he has destroyed what Biden/Harris have done.  That will happen I hope, and unlike after 2016 when they protested and attacked Trump for denying Hillary's turn, the Dems in power will be forced to go back to the middle ground and dump all the lunatic left wing woke policies that are not what the USA is about. 

So you are hit by a (long) eloquent post about why Trump is the wrong choice. Then you replay with a lot of "history" that has nothing to do with current situations. You say you would like to have a real debate but confronted by it you step out.

Prasat, Surin.

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"Less thanks"?

Spelling police again !

So Bob is now political? Never liked you with your BS stories and this is even worse. No clue what you are talking about and just trying to impose your weird why of looking at the world. Go back to "Spain"

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, he was. But I don't think Trump cares that American lovers of EV vehicles have to pay double.

Funny you should say that because I think Trump does not care about anybody but himself.

GOP senators killed IVF

55 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

If you got nothing to say then don't.

 

It was your quote. 

And that was not directed at you was it? I'm the original Poster

51 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Thrilled to be getting under your thin skin. Reminds me of someone. Hmm. 

Might you be quoting the wrong person?

1 hour ago, mdr224 said:

Baaaa says the sheep

Right.

59 minutes ago, mdr224 said:

Another copy paste. Trump didnt need to use tariffs, just threatening to use them would set other countries straight. Democrats dont even try, they just let China win.

If you got nothing to say then don't.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Get caught doing that in the States, risk a lifetime sex offender badge.

No fun living there.

39 minutes ago, animalmagic said:

The OP is titled 'Tariffs and how Trump is a socialist'!  It started off with a bias against Trump so you can't really accuse candide of turning it into his own political bias.

Try reading it before commenting.

34 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Okay, thanks. Well, it's a varied picture, isn't it? In the case of cars, if a Chinese car manufacturer wants to export their EV vehciles into the US, they would do so by using their US incoporated dealers in America. It would then be these dealers, as the initial purchasers and importers who pay the tariffs. To the extent they are subsidiaries of the Chinese manufacturers, indeed the Chinese company would be paying the tariff. Though you can argue they may pass it on, history shows instead the Chinese have lowered the price, and tariffs have had little effect.

 

With other consumer goods it's different of course, when Walmart imports Chinese consumer good that are subject to tariffs of course Walmart will pay the tariff and pass the cost on, that's true.

 

However, Biden of course kept Trump's tariffs, so both Biden and Trump thought these were sound policies. Why? Because they do bring in great revenue into state coffers, and they do make products unattractive the government does not want to be attractive, and they do penalise  manufacturers the government does not like. Even if the Chinese lower prices to keep their cars competitive, this hurts them.

 

What do experts think?

 

"Experts say tariffs on these products will likely have limited effects on consumer goods prices and economic growth. 

 

“These tariffs are very much on the margins, and the impacts on the economy will be a rounding error,” Bernard Yaros, lead US economist at Oxford Economics, told Al Jazeera."

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2024/5/16/who-benefits-from-us-tariffs-on-chinese-imports-experts-weigh-in

 

I don't agree with this particular Trump policy, because it is clearly protectionist, and I would be in favour in forcing US companies to adapt or die. But I can see the logic, if you're a nationalist and protectionist, then it makes sense.

 

Both Biden and Trump thought so. And so does Harris.

I agree tariff can be useful as I more or less stated in my OP. However both you and me know Trump has been talking about extreme tariffs of over 50 %. A bit like Thailand does. Now your expert can say its in the margins but have you bought a bottle of wine recently (in Thailand)?

38 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

First of all you explained the micro capitalist procedure quite well congratulations. I want to make clear that I do not support tariffs in principle because I believe in a free market economy.

 

However, what lie are you referring to specifically?

That other countries will pay the tariffs.

3 hours ago, thesetat2013 said:

What a biased thing to say. Why you do not add Biden/Harris as well as Canada and the EU and even Australia. Why turn this OP into your own political bias against Trump? 

Reading is difficult, try it again.

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Of course he <deleted> understood it. Hardly rocket science, is it?

Then why does he lies about it?