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21 hours ago, Cheops said:

Thai and ethical....

I guess you are either not living in Thailand or not so long.

 

Thai authorities can't control/sensor this and are afraid of missing out some money. That's what they are worried about.

 

If Thai authorities are worried about the welfare of the people, they would jail the PE teacher who is accused of raping/molesting many kids during his investigation (iso setting up a commision ), they would take actions to stop the 70 traffic deaths per day and they would not commit graft of the (gotta love this one) setup foundations to help people in need!!!!!!!!! I can give much more examples, but you get the point!

I've lived here for 24 years if that really matters to anything.  Please explain to me the glorious logic behind your statement.  Foreign media ignored the advice of counsellors, child psychologists and an official government request to leave the kids alone.  They arranged an orderly, sanctioned Q&A session where questions were pre-screened by professionals to ensure they would not harm the boys mentally or their healing process.  Thai media respected the request.  Remember the youngest boy is 11 and they had spent two weeks in pitch darkness and have been through an unbelievably harrowing and traumatic ordeal where they didn't know if they would ever emerge to see their parents.  I would say that, unequivocally, the government is acting in their best interests.

So, please do explain how the government is missing out on money here and how you justify saying such a thing.  Explain it to me in clear sentences and without using lots of exclamation marks, without bringing the PE teacher in to it, and without generalising Thais as being greedy.  Just tell me how this government request - adhered to by most - has anything to do with money.  It is such a ludicrous thing to say that it can only come from a very very bitter place.

Then, if you are feeling up to it, please also tell me how you react if the foreign media had followed protocols and the Thai press had broken them and conducted interviews on the side against all professional advice and possibly to the detriment of the boy's wellbeing..  It would be because the Thais only want the money, right?  Be honest with yourself.

As soon as I saw this headline, before I'd even clicked on the link, I knew it would have whipped up a typical and predictable TVF frenzy and I wasn't disappointed.  Jeez you guys love it don't you - the parents would have got money for it, typical Thais obsessed by greed, always blame foreigners, why not kick all the foreigners out of the country - that'll be the next step, etc etc.

The fact is the boys have been through a massively traumatic experience that none of us could ever comprehend, the youngest is only 11.  Professional counsellors and child psychologists have recommended the boys not be pressed on things or asked to recount the trauma - not yet.  The Thai press respected that, the foreign press did not.  That's the fact of the matter.  And to think there are people on here saying "it'll be better for them to talk about it".  So of course TVF has not only cave experts, rescue coordination experts, diving experts, but also trauma experts and child psychologists!  We're so lucky to have such people here.

Just imagine instead the headline was "Thai media slammed for pursuit of Wild Boars boys" then the very same people would be in a very similar frenzy, I guarantee it.  The foreign media are more ethical and respect the guidance of professionals, typical Thais just trying to sell more newspapers because Thais only care about money, etc etc, blah blah.

So typical.  So predictable.  So pathetic.

Call him a paedo.

18 minutes ago, overherebc said:

Join the club mate.

But are they air tanks or oxygen tanks?

2 hours ago, Pawpcorn said:

OMG, now taking a chance in a ride in a Thai Helicopter!!  Chancing death... once again!!!

Please leave this page.  Horrible and stupid comment.

7 hours ago, Raymonddiaz said:

They might want to hide if  anything bad happen....I hope for the best though.

Did they hide the news that Saman Gunan lost his life in the rescue?

No, they didn't.  They reported it very quickly.

Why do you think they would hide any other bad news?  I am astonished by the way some people on here think.

5 hours ago, JAZZDOG said:

Sheryl, I hear what you are saying and totally agree the rank and file has done an exceptional job executing what they were ordered to do. It is unfortunate leadership and management was not up to the task and that is why we face the dire emergency today extracting these kids in less than ideal conditions. If this was to be the course of action it should have gone down two days ago, not on the day that was forecasted for rain for the last week. The underling theme throughout has been reaction as opposed to proaction.

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5 hours ago, JAZZDOG said:

From the morning of 7/24 there should have been a committee of experts focusing only on life support once the kids were found.

-food/water

-breathable air

-sheltering in place

-logistics in case of rising water

 

etc etc blah blah

Ever since the kids have been found there has been a huge, well coordinated effort, planning, training, practising for the rescue we are seeing now.  They've been planning it for days which is why it appears to have gone so smoothly with the first kids coming out in good health.

Do you really think they've been sitting around on their <deleted> and have just decided to do this now because it's started raining?  This is not a reactive effort but undoubtedly the most well coordinated proactive effort Thailand has ever seen, and probably that most of the world has ever seen.  

And all the things you listed were done.  They found them.  They got water, food and medicine to them, they got air lines in to them, they got doctors in to them, and they immediately started prepping them for an extraction.

What the Hell is wrong with people in this forum??

Just now, Just1Voice said:

No, it's utter ridiculous - to use your terminology - to believe they wouldn't.  It's simply not in the Thai psyche to accept blame for anything.  But maybe you live in a different Thailand than I do.  Either way, you have your opinion, which I can respect even if I disagree with it, and I have mine. 

 

This is not a Koh Tao "A Thai could not have done this".  This is a rescue effort that has skilled volunteers and specialists from many countries as well as hundreds of skilled and unskilled Thai volunteers.  The foreign effort is very much appreciated and has been acknowledged many times.  This will not change.  I still find it ridiculous that anyone will expect them to blame foreigners for anything to do with this - Thailand has never seen a concerted, coordinated international rescue effort like this.

Anyway, you stick with your opinion and let's just hope we never have to find out who's wrong.  Now back to the topic at hand.

2 hours ago, Just1Voice said:

Live here for 10 years or more like some us have, and I promise you won't think the comment is so ridiculous.  Thai are notorious for deflecting blame for anything and everything.  Nothing is ever THEIR fault, and they will blame a "farang" in a heartbeat.  Not "Thai bashing", as I know some wonderful ones, but damn few of even those ever accept responsibility for something that goes wrong.  

 

I have lived and worked here for 23 years thanks for asking.  And I am telling you that if, God forbid, something goes wrong on this mission they will NOT be blaming the foreign volunteers.  It is utterly ridiculous to believe they would.

If they are going to do it tonight it must be because they know the consequences of not doing it are much more serious.  

Those poor poor boys, I hope they can be strong for this last push and can be brought out safely. They have the best people on their side.  Hoping for good news soon.

Can we all stop debating the semantics of "killed" vs "died"???  IT IS NOT IMPORTANT!

A man lost his life heroically doing his best to help people he has never met.  There are a thousand people also helping.  No matter what they are doing they are all sacrificing - sacrificing their life in the most extreme case, sacrificing seeing their families, sacrificing their earnings, sacrificing their farm land, sacrificing their time and their effort.

THE SEMANTICS DO NOT MATTER!!  Have some respect for this poor man and his family and don't bicker over the description of his death.  Get a grip people!

Unbelievable what these absolutely heroic people are putting themselves though.

What strikes me is that a thread like this that shows the reality of what is happening gets 3-4 replies.  Whereas the other ones where every one can pretend to be an ex-Marine, a diving expert, a drilling expert, a cave expert, a rescue expert, can go on for pages and pages of nonsense - belittling Thais, belittling rescue efforts.  But here it really is, in black and white, the hardship.  Where are those same people to belittle the efforts in this thread??  Conspicuous by their absence.  The difference couldn't be more telling.