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2 hours ago, Canceraid said:

No insults meant and also no racism meant. So apologies in advance if my posting upsets anyone. But really, Asians ie thais raping two farangs in their thirties......sorry but have you seen how big most farangs are when they are already in their late twenties....their waist sizes are HUGE.....I do not think any Asian ore thai guy will get turned on raping huge waistlines........its like try to screw a buffalo or a cow...sorry.....plus there are lots of slim and sexy Asians around be it guys or gals. I really think the whole story is fake.

Another thing perhaps you should know is that rape is not only about sex.

It is about power as well.

2 hours ago, Canceraid said:

No insults meant and also no racism meant. So apologies in advance if my posting upsets anyone. But really, Asians ie thais raping two farangs in their thirties......sorry but have you seen how big most farangs are when they are already in their late twenties....their waist sizes are HUGE.....I do not think any Asian ore thai guy will get turned on raping huge waistlines........its like try to screw a buffalo or a cow...sorry.....plus there are lots of slim and sexy Asians around be it guys or gals. I really think the whole story is fake.

I think you must have what your avatar suggests ie. cancer [of the brain]. If nonsense like yours continues on TV I may cancel my membership because its dribble like this that make the forums so boring. It is inane to suggest that most 20's or 30's Caucasians are huge. Maybe "a few" would be a more accurate number. I am a 73 year old farang and never been over 68 Kgs. You also display an ignorance of the various sexual proclivities of people. Some people like "chubbies". 

38 minutes ago, lungnorm said:

Question, How do two men get raped ? Don't they mean they were buggered ?

Oh dear! Somebody is in need of a dictionary.

1 hour ago, Kerryd said:

I call BS on the whole story.

 

Allegedly drugged, raped and robbed of all their money (and phones) on New Years Eve. 

 

Spend 5 days trying to get their insurance provider to tell them which hospital to go to. (<deleted> !??!).

 

Finally go to a hospital that (allegedly) wouldn't accept their insurance paperwork, then their insurance company tells them to go to a "private" hospital.

"On the fifth day my family back in Belfast got in touch with the British Embassy in Bangkok and we finally got sent to a hospital, but the hospital wouldn't accept our insurance documents. We then got sent to a private hospital, which insurance companies don't usually do, but because of our case they got us into this facility. The insurance company also said they would cover all charges, because they knew we had no money after being robbed."

 

So their insurance company gets them into this "private" hospital and agrees to cover all their costs, but then tells them to skip out on the bill?

("Gerald also claimed OUL Direct told the couple to leave the hospital without paying, as long as they still had possession of their passports.")

 

The police in Phuket just laughed at their story and said it happens all the time ?!?!?

(Uh huh. Conveniently that means no police report and no local news report apparently.)

 

They returned to Ireland on the 11th and, 11 days after the alleged incident, their doctor was still able to confirm they'd been raped ?!??!?

 

Funny how they only seem to be pissed off about their insurance provider though. Not overly upset about being raped/robbed. Not overly upset about the Thai police allegedly laughing at them. Supposedly someone drugs 2 men in a bar, gets them out of the bar, (presumably) rapes/robs them and dumps them somewhere (details very vague) and their main beef is with their insurance provider.

 

I wonder what the CCTV images from their hotel would show. I wonder if they, like previous alleged rape victims, skipped out on their hotel bill. I wonder if maybe they just blew all their money (literally) and then sold some BS story to the newspaper to try and recoup some of it. 

(There are organizations in the UK that offer to pay people's vacation costs if they have a "good" story to tell that the organization can then spice up and resell to other media outlets).

 

Your response makes no sense. I think you are secretly feeling delight at the horror these guys went through. As another poster has pointed out, these guys did not write the article. You cannot accuse them on the writings of a journalist.

I know one gay guy that this happened to in Bangkok although he was not badly injured. Another day I was in Bumrungrad hospital visiting a friend. The guy [straight]  in next bed had the same happen to him but he was horribly beaten up as well.

As for the police laughing at them. Well I was robbed once and when I reported it to the police they just sat me on a bench where I had to wait for an hour. A filthy demented derelict came in raving and not knowing I can speak Thai, they told him to sit next to me and talk to me which he did. The whole police station were in stitches laughing at me. When I spoke Thai they all lost face and threw me out of the station without taking my report. That was at Tungmahamek Station in Suan Plu.

You don't know what you are on about.

42 minutes ago, LammyTS1 said:

Oh I see, and how many potential Buddhist or Christian bomb attacks have been prevented over the past week?
How many Christian & Buddhist terror attacks have prevailed within Germany & Australia recently?
The press can be so right wing as they never print stories about the Klu Klux Klan and their terrorist bombings in Europe & Australia. Why is that? We never hear about the KKK and their worldwide terrorist network killing hundreds of people on a daily basis?



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Oh well, I did my best. Go ahead and keep your all seeing eye shut, but then you won't be able to see all the mass murderers coming who are not Muslim.

11 minutes ago, ALLSEEINGEYE said:

And a belief in a religion that claims to be that of peace while openly hating all that do not agree with their beliefs and condoning the atrocities committed in it's name.

Your "all seeing eye" is shut I think. When Christians were killing each other in Ireland did you brand Christianity a religion of non-peace? Isis is just the Muslim version of Christianity's Klu Klux Klan. Perhaps SOME of the women wear the veil. So What? I was brought up in the Anglican Church and as an altar boy I has to wear a dress. Do you actually know any Muslims or do you just read and listen to all the ultra right creeps spouting their propaganda? They would do the same as Isis is if they could. My doctor is a Muslim as is my pharmacist and one of my close friends. They are all beautiful people. I don't hear you complaining about what the Buddhists are doing to the Muslims in Myanmar. Do you claim Buddhism to be a religion of violence too? Grow up and think for yourself. Nearly all of the violence being perpetrated now by "so called" Muslims is on other Muslims. Use your all seeing eye to discover the truth.

1 hour ago, optad said:

A point to note here is that four of these five are Australian born descendants of Lebanese refugees from the 80's and 90's. Recent arrivals from Iraqi and Syria have other things on their mind. More licentious views should be tempered by this.

 

It principally is a second generation problem of low integration, poor employment prospects, very poor secondary and tertiary education level despite opportunities, and fundamentally preferring some ridiculous romanticised picture as told by their parents because of their own failed expectations.  

 

This group in particular, compare poorly to the Vietnamese and even contemporary Afghani refugees / settlers. They are not all the same. 

I would like to know how you know that 4 of these people were of Lebanese descent. In all that I have read that has not been revealed. Is this just another case of Lebanese bashing that has been occurring in Australia recently???

40 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

Not really.

 

Just give us a percentage, that's anonymous enough.

Your question is just a nonsense and you are becoming quite boring. It is not possible for me to know the performance details of any of the doctors or hospitals in Thailand except the ones I have personal experience with or those that my many friends have had. You seem to be quite adamant about defending them and it makes me wonder whether you are one of these appalling doctors yourself or perhaps  a hospital manager. You are obviously denying the experiences of the dozens of people on this forum who have detailed some horrendous experiences. I have lived in Thailand for 12 years and have been the victim of some awful mistakes and malpractices [see my earlier posts in this topic] and many more of my friends here. After living the previous 60 years in Australia and therefore being aware of thousands of medical procedures of countless friends and family there in that time I cannot ever recall any of them experiencing what I alone have here in just 12 years.

Stop being an ostrich and look around yourself. You are endangering peoples lives and health by defending the system here.

If you respond to this post I shall ignore you. You are blind to the truth so there is no point in continuing this debate with you. I guess you don't believe in climate change as well.

13 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

No, I didn't think you could.

 

Tell you what, here's a list of medical specialists we compiled a few years ago, tell us which ones are no good or better still, what percentage are no good and see how your answer marries up with your earlier statement.

 

 

You are just dying to see the pants sued off me aren't you.

18 hours ago, chiang mai said:

 

Can you substantiate the absolute crap and nonsense you just wrote?

Well I see that stupid farang like your post. Well his name speaks for both of you.

16 minutes ago, thaipod said:

I've had  bad experiences with BNH. The last one was when my wife took me there after breaking 3 ribs and asked for an x ray and the doctor said I didn't need one and gave me antibiotics and pain killers. When I protested and insisted for a x ray, then the doctor refused to talk to me and had to go through the nurse on duty and the doctor told the nurse the result was no broken ribs.

 

The next day I went to another Hospital and sure enough x ray shows 3 broken ribs. 

I just hope that the Thai medical authorities and the hospitals are reading following this topic.

I am a 73 year old redhead and living in rural Australia as a kid I got sunburn nearly every week. I have been getting sun spots [keratosis] frozen off since I was 40. I had them done here too at Bumrungrad several times before I learned not to go there. Each time I was prescribed antibiotics and topical creams which were as expensive as the procedure and sold to me by the hospital. Home in Oz I was never given them and never suffered for not using them.

Another time I was in Phuket and wanted to stay I bit longer. The airline would not let me change my ticket without paying a huge fee unless I had a medical cert. to say I could not fly. So I went to the hospital and told them I was severely congested both nasally and in my chest. I did not tell them it was just an act to get out of the airline fee. I just said I was sick and I was examined by a doctor and  given my certificate.

In Nan hospital a friend was diagnosed as having macular degeneration. Terrified of blindness he went back to Oz for a check and there was nothing wrong.

Considering my earlier post wherein I said I would not trust a Thai hospital with anything worse than a cold and remembering my Phuket experience I now retract that. I would not trust them with anything at all.

6 minutes ago, scoutman360 said:

I read the horror stories and certainly can't condone them. But my own experience there has been very good. I have always found very good doctors and even had surgery there with 100% recovery.

 

I always remind myself of my own bad experiences in the U.S. One doctor told me to go home and rest when I had strong stomach pains. A week later I was rushed to emergency to have my appendix removed. Bad doctors are everywhere.

Bad doctors are everywhere.  Yes but nowhere so concentrated as in Thai hospitals.

19 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

Again, I have to repeat myself, saying that whilst I do not doubt your story, I am more than surprised. As far as my own personal experience is concerned, it contradicts what you are saying.I have been diagnosed and treated correctly and properly in both Bumrungrad and Bangkok Hospitals, as well as years ago in Khon Kaen Ram in Khon Kaen. It can and does happen here in Thailand as well s in other developed countries that doctors misdiagnose ailments, but surely, if the person concerned is doubtful, or if the treatment recommended bring no relief, one should seek a second opinion, also here in Thailand. The same applies to other countries.

Well I will tell you two more stories about BNH Hospital. I had bought myself a set of weights. Suddenly I had a terrible pain in my shoulder. Off to BNH and was told I had a pinched nerve in my neck. Traction every day for one month [cannot remember the cost of each visit]  and was not cured. They referred me to their orthopedic guy who said I needed a 350,000 baht operation. No way - back to Oz and it was a torn rotator cuff.

Then one night I broke a wine glass on the bench which then rolled onto my foot and a shard stabbed me. Blood everywhere so off to BNH [will I ever learn?] where I was told Xrays cannot pick up glass so I was just stitched up [both meanings]  and sent home. 4 days later a piece of glass emerged from the bottom of my foot so back to BNH where another doctor took an Xray and  found several small pieces of glass in there.

If you wish I can relate some bad experiences of some of my mates at BNH and Bumrungrad but I feel that you might be getting bored by now.

9 hours ago, elgenon said:

The doctor charge for my outpatient visit was $30. In America it would be over a hundred. The antibiotics were about a quarter of the price.

Yes, you expect good care in a hospital but this is more. It is caring and kindness and patience and sweetness. If you haven't experienced it you don't know what I am talking about.

The " caring and kindness and patience and sweetness " is just good public relations which any big business trains it's staff about.  They were very sweet to me too while ripping me off and mis-diagnosing my symptoms

25 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

In my opinion Bamrungrad is probably the best hospital in S.E. Asia in all respects, especially the logistics. You are waiting there and a nurse will come up and say "Excuse me Mr Bloggs, there are 2 people ahead of you and the wait will be around 15 minutes". Also I have found that the best medical help also usually turns out to be the cheapest in the long run. Get it done right the first time ! How many times have you heard of a friend who goes to the cheapest place, who then gets totally mistreated, and then they actually go back to the same surgeon who butchered them and pay lots more to undo the damage they caused in the first place ! 

I don't care how many "Mr. Bloggs" there are in the queue. I just want a correct diagnosis. I didn't get that at Bumrungrad and had to pay hugely for it. If you read through this topic you will find many others got the same. Medicine in Thailand is an industry out to make the biggest profits they can.

21 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

For the amount of times you get crook,you should stay in Oz,or at least go back once a year for a full check up.

Well I'm 73 now so I'm allowed to get crook a bit. But don't worry, if anything feels serious I am straight home to Oz.

17 minutes ago, abrahamzvi said:

Although I don't doubt your story, I am more than surprised, It is very untypical of either Bumrungrad or Bangkok hospitals and I do speak from personal experience with both, I simply can recommend both.

I can tell you an even worse story about BNH Hospital. In 2008 - 9 they treated me for reflux. On two occasions I went to their emergency dept. at 3 Am  in terrible pain. Once they gave me a suppository and said I was constipated and on the other they laid me on a trolley for an hour with a drip in my arm which almost knocked me out. Meanwhile they kept feeding me reflux pills. I went home to Australia for a holiday and went to a local GP for some more reflux pills when I ran out. He refused them and sent me for tests. 2 weeks later I was in Royal Melbourne Hospital with pancreas cancer. I am one of about 3% who survive it. I WILL NEVER TRUST A THAI HOSPITAL with anything worse than a cold.

In 2005 I went to Rutnin eye hospital for a check-up - everything was OK. A few week later I had a bad headache for a few days. I went Bumrungrad hospital and they diagnosed early onset Alzheimer's. I was talked into MRI's and other expensive treatment which included 6 powerful drugs that sent me close to crazy. After a few weeks of madness I took myself off the drugs and suffered severe withdrawals. They then told me the headaches were due to acute angle glaucoma and did laser surgery. That then led to endless visits [probably 15 times] for check-ups at 3000 baht per time. On a trip home to Australia I went to see an ophthalmologist who told me once you have laser surgery you DO NOT need to go for checks. And I obviously do not have Alzheimer's now 11 years on. 

They were just ripping me off - Thainess indeed.

No doubt it was 10,000 to the boys father and 20,000 to the judge.

1 hour ago, monkey4u said:

Back in 1990 I bought a 2 year old XJS V12 Jag

I don't know what moved faster the car or the fuel gauge 

It reached 140 in first ( 3 speed Turbo 400 )

Top gear say good bye to licence, just under 290 KPH

Back in 1977 when I was much more affluent I bought a new XJS. Magic car. I once had it at 250 KPH in the Australian outback with 5 baby emus in a box on the back seat. It was the fastest those birds ever flew.

OK, OK, I know they can't really fly.

1 hour ago, ratcatcher said:

"....where other dogs, foxes or other animals..."

The only foxes in Thailand are in cities like Pattaya..

Not true. I have seen them up North and I know what a fox looks like - I used to shoot them.

3 hours ago, Dexlowe said:

A couple of hundred years ago they invited them in. Now, they're exporting them. Guess it's a case of taking the basic model and improving it - it's called value added. Aussie galahs! You're champions. You won't win on Saturday, though.

A little forethought and respect would be appreciated please. My great, great, great grandmother was one of the first 300 white women in Australia on the first fleet. To feed her family she stole 5 shillings [50 cents] of goods. For that she was transported. This was the case for nearly all convicts. Any person who committed a real crime was executed.

Go g. g. g. granny, you are my hero.

52 minutes ago, keskeseksa said:

This Joshua is a troublemaker paid by the American government. The Thai government has every right not to let him him, he has no business here.

Your hammer and sickle T shirt needs a wash. While you're at it re-tie your pigtail.