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1 hour ago, david143 said:

my calculation may wrong.
this is what i talked today and estimate,
it will be nice to hear from SB for NOV and DEC

Don't worry, you should be in the next round for oath taking around Sep/Oct so just few months left for you.

30 minutes ago, david143 said:

So if we go with estimate with Neeraman brother.
his interview was in September 2019.
Oath Ceremony : July/Aug 2020
Estimate wait 9 to 10 Months.

Our group Dec 2019 and Jan 2020
estimate for Oath will September/October 2020.
 

Unless I am wrong, Sep-Oct 2019 groups just got called for the oath so the next one should be Nov-Dec 2019.

I waited for 9 months from MOI to the oath.

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

For the Oath, I've been told just to take my Passport, Yellow Housebook and copies. 6 photos(suit and tie) with a blue background. Anything else I am missing? What about flowers, what type should they be?

You should make a copy of the main page of your passport. As for the flowers mine were a bunch of yellow flowers and a small flower garland (phuang malai). My wife went to buy them so I am not sure of the exact requirement.

20 minutes ago, onthemoon said:

I'm not there yet (still waiting for MOI interview), but where does the oath take place? At SB?

 

Is it just between you and the officers there, or is it a big affair to which many applicants will be invited at the same time?

 

What is the oath ceremony anyway? They say words (oath of allegiance to king and country, I suppose) which you have to repeat?

Yes, the oath taking is at SB and individual appointment so you meet only few officers there, you just have to repeat what the officer says for 2-3 minutes and it takes only 10 minutes in total. In my case it took 2 hours because I forgot to bring the 2x2.5 inch pictures with blue background (minimum 2 pics, better bring 4) and I had to go to print some in a shop outside.

39 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Expecting to hear soon about the next batch doing the Oath, and also the next announcement in the Royal Gazette.

My guess: RG this week (or next), oath next week (or next). We'll see...

22 hours ago, qualtrough said:

I just checked my records and see that it is approximately 14 months since my application was accepted by the MOI. I know this because I was shown a copy of the acceptance record by my SB officer. It seems that the norm for interview intervals is 12-18 months, with some outliers. Is this still the case? Also, is there any point in contacting the MOI office concerned just to inquire about status, or will this just annoy them? I guess the main thing I would want to know is that my application is indeed in the system and has not been misplaced/lost or whatever.

I think so for 12-18 months. I myself waited 17 months (MOI interview was July 2019), but recently there has been no MOI monthly meeting between March and June this year so this can add a delay of 4 month to the let's say average 15 months waiting time. All will depend it they increase the frequency or the number of people called each month, but yes definitely a call to MOI would at least clarify that your file is progressing normally in the queue an has no specific blocking point.

4 hours ago, onthemoon said:

SB passed my documents on to MOI a few months ago. While I am aware it will take 6-18 months (at least according to postings on this forum) before they contact me for the interview [...]

Jay yen yen my friend. Bear in mind that things are processed by batch, so it's not only a matter of processing your application but how many batches are queuing before you. For instance there has been no MOI interview since February 2020 (while these were run on a monthly basis for about 40-50 people) and this mean that if they don't double the size of applicants or increase the pace when they resume the interviews it will add 4 or more months to the 12-month average waiting time.

We know files are not necessarily processed as FIFO and the time can vary from one to another, but what you should try to do is to know when interviews resume (thanks david143 for regularly telling us!) at which pace and how many people seem to be interviewed each time. Because when SB has sent your file to MOI it means there were probably 12 months*50 so total 600 people queuing ahead of you.

3 hours ago, onthemoon said:

I don't claim to be more knowledgeable, but I have friends you have an F-Visa. They are diplomats and tell me that you don't need any work permit on an F-visa. I also don''t think that they have to pay income taxes.

I personally don't think someone not paying taxes would qualify for PR and citizenship application (excluding special categories) - perhaps this is a question gurus in this forum can answer.

3 hours ago, david143 said:

new list for Male Applicant approval still not upload in RG.

I estimate it will come around Mid July.

35 minutes ago, david143 said:

Brother my interview was on 17 december 2019

i called MOI on 7 feb 2020 , and staff informed me that your documents has been approved from DOPA MOI committee on 4 Feb and has been forward to Minister office and then for King office, i called back again in April and staff informed application is in King office for Counter sign. and NOW from Apr , may , june ( as i called yesterday ) it was same reply from staff that application is still in King office. it took 6 month to 1 year for Counter Sign. FYI

I think you forget the step of Prime Minister signature which is required before the palace, which adds time. Perhaps you also forget that there are batches of applicants ahead of you, so the question is not when your file goes to the palace, it is how many batches are there before you... at the moment I'd assume there is one of them (Sep-Oct 2019 MOI interviewed people) and then Nov-Dec 2019 is your batch. 

23 hours ago, khongaeng said:

When I called MOI a few months back they explained that once the King's signature is obtained, the application goes directly to SB for oath, meaning that MOI will not know when the signature has happened, but that the SB will be calling people when ready to give the oath.  I interpreted this to mean that I don't need to call MOI anymore because it is essentially out of their hands...

I still recommend to call MOI regularly 6+ months after you had the interview to know if your application is ok and has been sent to the palace for signature. In my case, the last time I called them they could confirm that all batches before mine had already been countersigned by the King and I was thus on the next batch. This can avoid the situation reported by some applicants in this forum where they waited for long time until they called MOI and discovered there was a problem in their application that had not been proactively communicated to them. 

I just see a new announcement of 39 naturalized women in RG website today... the batch for men usually coming right after by only few weeks, can't wait for it!

1 hour ago, Alex19 said:

Hello everyone,

 

I finally recently got the PR, my next step is to apply for citizenship.

 

Have anyone tried to apply under PR holding it for less than 5 years ?

 

Briefly I think could reach the 50 points easily :
30 Years old, Master degree, ~100K/month, more than 3 years in the same company, can easily sing both anthems.
I have 10K charity donation with certificate from 3 years ago.

 

Let me know !

Thanks

Applying under 5 years PR is only possible if you are married (Thai wife) and then the conditions are 1 year marriage minimum if you have kids together otherwise three years.

26 minutes ago, Badb0y said:

Sorry, I mix matched 2 topics with my question ???? This is the question that I wanted to put here:

Next month I'm going to have the 3yr non immigrant visa with the same company, monthly salary was more then 80k and due to my company was hit hard due to Covid-19 I don't think if a mentioned 2nd wave will come my company will survive (or me) so I need to action fast.

Based on this article couple of questions came to my mind.

 

1. Do I need to have a work permit at the time of the application or is it enough to have historical tax receipts?

2. Is it possible to go with the wife and she can help with the Thai or they need conversational Thai?

3. Such a shame after 3 years my Thai still terrible, if I fail the Thai test but I can reach the 50 points can I get the visa?

4. If I calculate the points, I have 38 points with Age, Education and profession Criteria so I need additional 12 at least. Personality let's say they can give 5 point, if I'm lucky I can get these questions, I might get 5-8 points, and I heard some donation before, but I'm not sure about how many point and what is the steps to get point of it? When I have to donate and where, how much?

5. I can learn to introduce myself, talk about my history a bit and why I want to apply for a citizenship, would that be enough?

Is there any special panel questions that I might get from the officer during the Thai interview so I can prepare.

6. Can I apply if I married less than 1 year ago, however we live together more than 2 years? Also if I adopt a baby, does it count as my child in the application?

7. Tabien baan I assume is out of scope from my point of view because I just rented in the last 3 years.

Hope guys you can help.

Thanks in advance.

Hello,

if you really mean "I need to action fast" and you're in a hurry, then I'm afraid the citizenship process is not for you because it's 3+ years process during which it's recommended to be in continuous employment with work permit. Few hints though:

1. You need present WP and valid for the coming 1-2 years I'd say. It's true that WP is usually not asked after the NIA interview which happens about few months after the application started however during the internal screening process I'm confident SB or MOI have to send requests to the various administrations and check or re-check the validity of your WP

2. Yes some applicants got nationality with a very basic knowledge of Thai language, but doing so you would not qualify for getting points on the basis of language level

3. Yes, all you need is 50 points minimum regardless of which category they come from

4. Donations must have been done ahead of the application (like one year ago or more, maybe within 6 months could work but would probably raise suspicion) they are part of the requirement but do not give points

5. I think so if you can reach the minimum 50 points

6. Unfortunately this seems a showstopper to me. It's one year of marriage required if you have a child together, otherwise 3 years of marriage.

14 hours ago, Arkady said:

I think it is a pretty safe bet that the TM15 red alien book has been issued since the first Immigration Act in 1927.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think the red book that PR holders get and stamp at the police station is this TM. 15.

From what I read here http://www.chumphonimmigration.go.th/en/fee.php:

Residence certificate (TM. 15)
Arrival prior to immigration act: 19,000.- Baht per piece

It seems this one is still issued (?). But even if no longer, how could they differentiate between someone who has just the red book and someone who has red book + blue/white book, and I'm not even talking about the airport immigration. It must be another kind of document.

11 hours ago, Michael Hare said:

I have none of these certificates TM16 or TM17. What are they? What are they for? As a PR, I have the blue and red books which are not certificates. 

Apparently the blue book is the TM16 certificate, as seen in a non-official website:

1. Residence Certificate (TM. 15), red cover
2. Residence Certificate (TM. 16), dark blue or black cover
3. The Replacement of Residence Certificate (TM. 17), white cover
4. Residence Certificate charge exemption (TM. 16 EX), dark blue cove

2 hours ago, echrist said:

the letter of renunciation that you have stamped and return to sb is not one of the letters your drop off at the embassy. do as you please...im a thai citizen, just sayin'.

I think we understand each case is different and may vary in time -for instance some people get their letters in just few weeks while it took several months for my officer to issue mine-. I can just say that in my case although the letter to the embassy (in 2017) contained no template for renunciation of citizenship, it was clearly asking for it. These letters were handed back to me, so here is the extract:

5 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I'm pretty sure there wasn't one for that.

1- Embassy to show age of majority and confirm passport

2 - Embassy - background check(which they never did)

3 - Amphur where we got married

4 - Khet in Bangkok for choosing Thai name

I actually got six letters, the four above + two letters for Chaeng Wattana PR section (Regarding PR Blue book and alien Red book).

3 hours ago, yankee99 said:

Correct i got them because i let my wife do all the talking! (she a lot nicer). Really the only points that were a issue was for my yellow book. My SB contact wasnt familiar with these points he thought it was only for PR.  My wife persuaded him to ask and i received them. 

So you got points for residency based on yellow book?

2 hours ago, saakura said:

 1) At what stage do you get to know about your points and who tells you that? Do they give you some document or just tell you the points?

I guess SB would not proceed with the application of someone who has less than the minimum points required (50), so part of their job is to calculate this formally and they will normally tell you about your score. IMO every applicant should try to estimate points he can secure from the point categories (that were already explained several times in this forum) before reaching to SB, this is an important step because in some cases you could need to make adjustments to meet the minimum (such as: increasing you PR time to qualify for points, improving for the language test, planning to do the singing at SB, waiting to be in a different age range, getting a salary increase...) but in another case you would see you're already far above the minimum and have no reason to be stressed on that matter.

15 hours ago, khongaeng said:

One of my children was born overseas and entered Thailand on a foreign passport.  While in Thailand, we got a Thai passport for the child, but when we exited, it was technically an overstay.  Immigration actually wrote in the foreign passport under the exit stamp that because she was less than 15 years old, it was ok that she overstayed. 

I'm just curious why you decided to use her Foreign passport to exit (knowing the technical overstay) instead of her Thai passport, was it something you didn't think about?

2 hours ago, david143 said:

any movement for oath ceremony for anyone

A batch of 40-50 people was approved last month. I guess all of them -including me- are done with their oath and en route to the RG normally for July. If the trend continues by that time I'd expect another group to have been called for the oath because it's 2-4 month interval normally between each.

19 minutes ago, cmsally said:

House registration and ID card all successfully achieved. Now the only thing left is to cancel my Thai visa in my foreign passport. Bet that will cause some confusion !!! Can't wait!

Congratulations!

I'd first assume you can leave it like this until it expires, after all you will no longer use the foreign passport in Thailand right? but maybe from an immigration point of view something opened has to be closed... that would make sense to me. The good thing is: this will be the last time you will ever have to deal with immigration. Good luck.