Goat Roper

Post it in the pit, off topic!!!

Yea, take it to the pit!

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

Thanks for the post GP.

Bush ignores the horrors of his war !

Friday, April 30, 2004

Bush ignores the horrors of his war

By HUBERT G. LOCKE

SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER

In the spiraling descent into ###### in Iraq over the past several weeks, one disgraceful fact has gone virtually unnoticed.

Hours after pictures of the ghastly scene showing the burned corpses of four American civilians had been telecast around the world, President Bush, according to The New York Times on April 2, "swept into a huge ballroom in one of Washington's most affluent neighborhoods" on yet another fund-raising venture for his re-election campaign.

The terrible moment in Iraq -- five American soldiers died the same day -- now appears to have been the beginning of a total unraveling of the Iraqi mess. Each day since has brought news of more American and Iraqi deaths, larger crowds of angry Iraqis in the streets and more cities whose control vacillates between coalition forces and the "insurgents." The prospects for turning the country back to its people by June 30, in spite of the United Nations' best efforts, seems increasingly like a pipe dream.

It is the mounting death toll, however, and the White House reaction to this grim reality that is a matter of mounting disgust.

One might have hoped that, at the least, Bush would have postponed his fund-raising for a later date. Even for this administration, it hardly seems too much to expect some recognition of the fact that pretending as though it is business as usual is a frightfully callous way to treat what has become an almost daily occasion for mourning.

There was a time in this nation when the deaths of soldiers in combat were an occasion for serious acknowledgment and somber reflection -- and our government led the nation in both expressions. It was so in World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam War.

It did not help the administration of Lyndon Johnson for the public to see nightly newscasts of coffins bearing the bodies of U.S. servicemen killed in Vietnam arriving at Dover Air Force Base.

But the dead were greeted with a public, respectful protocol that enabled the nation to mourn the loss of its young, even as it protested the military venture in which they had perished.

The current administration, in its frantic effort to manage the public perception of Iraq -- both why we're there and our view of the "progress" that's ostensibly being made -- has gone to unseemly lengths to control what we see and hear about the war.

With hundreds of "embedded" journalists (a ludicrous choice of terms) whose personal safety in Iraq rests on their military escorts, it is highly doubtful that we'll ever have an accurate or trustworthy account of what is transpiring there.

The current furor over the publication of pictures of flag-draped coffins (and a salute to Seattle's other daily for first printing them) reflects both the public's desire that the Iraqi conflict be reported realistically and the administration's determination to put the best possible face on a growing tragedy. No one can take any comfort in seeing pictures of the dead being returned for burial. The only thing worse is pretending as if this grim scene is not occurring almost daily.

Combat casualties are realities that cannot be masked or managed. The Pentagon may try to ban photographs of their coffins being returned for burial but it cannot conceal their growing numbers.

The fact that the dead are returned silently and unheralded only adds to the enormity of their loss. They are being brought home in a manner that seems almost calculated to prevent giving too much attention to the horrid circumstances that obliged them to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Contrast this treatment of our American war dead with those of our coalition allies where, in Italy and Spain, for example, state funerals have been held for the military casualties of those nations.

Have we no way of making a collective, public expression of grief at the loss of some many young lives, and is this not a mournful task in which the nation ought to be led by those who purport to be our leaders?

A nation whose leaders behave as though war deaths are a political matter to be managed, media-wise, alongside other disquieting features of the Iraqi tragedy -- its huge number of Iraqi civilian deaths plus the question of why this administration launched it -- is one that both dishonors the dead and raises cynicism to an unprecedented height.

A nation that allows its leaders to get away with such unconscionable behavior is one that permits false appeals to patriotism and the support of our troops to blind it to one of the most fundamental of human instincts -- the need to grieve, especially when its young die so needlessly.

Hubert G. Locke, Seattle, is a retired professor and former dean of the Daniel J. Evans Graduate School of Public Affairs at the University of Washington.

Now you've done it, your in trouble now for posting all your liberal crap in here and upsetting the forum; Go back to your porn websites where you came from.

Ignore the scavenging maggots.

If you are a scavenging maggot, it follows that you will see the world from a scavenging maggot's perspective.

Only an immoral lowlife will choose to ignore that this was a blatantly illegal invasion and subsequent occupation.

Why was there so little infrastrusture? Ahh.... First there was the matter of the Iran/Iraq War from 1980 -88 and just three years later, repressive sanctions and and embargoes were slapped on Iraq for 12 years. Any hope of them being lifted was constantly vetoed by the USA, though the other main members of the Security Council favoured lifting the sanctions. During this last 12 years regular sorties were flown over Iraq hitting various targets.

So, now after 20 years of hardship, the USA declares war on Iraq and destroys even more of what was left of the infrastructure.

Even after the war was declared over(to bad the other side didn't have a choice in being attacked) thousands of Iraqis are still being murdered by the Americans.

Example; 4 mercenaries were attacked and killed in Fallujah by a mob. In revenge, the US sends the troops in and kills 700 and wounds countless others.

Liberators? Sick murderers? Shall we get onto the subject of the treatment of prisoners? what you have seen and heard on TV is only the tip of the iceberg.

You can dress up this illegal invasion and occupation as you doing the Iraqi people a favour, but many simply see through the charade.

Maybe you feel that you can get the American economy going again by grabbing all the contracts?

I see, you ensure that you destroy the infrastructure in Iraq and then you make them pay for you to rebuild it.

Then you pretend that they rule their own country.....

Despicable worms.

There.......you can't have it all your own way.

Put you skirt down, we have seen all the ugly sh1t from you we want.

No I am not being funny and making oxymorons here when I am requesting suggestions for an honest attorney.

If you have one or know of one in Chiang Mai please post the name and contact info and I'll thank you for doing that.

Just ask for an attorney GR. Specifying an honest one is making it a bit too hard to advise you

got it Doc, don't know what I was thinking, I just got carried away there for a moment.

Don't pay him no attn. GOAT, He just pissed off cause he posted a lot of shit that was moved or he was warned and sent out to play a couple of times,so now he thinks that he is a rest room monitor and can't get over it.

Some folks got the idea that they important enough to a forum that they should have unlimited privs. and always screaming and giving orders that no one listens to.

I have got a couple of long recesses myself,but they do have mods. here and they do a fair job,and they are running it and do well enough with out any advise from me. It is their forum,and if I don't like whats goin on then I can go somewhere else to play instead of showing my ass for all to see,maybe he needs to go back to kindergarten and start all over.

Thanks much Kevin for clearing up exactly what this A$$hole really is.

It happen'd in Samui this time I'm shore it will happen again

here, and in many other places in Thailand. Keep to the rules

and everyone SHOULD be ok! .... Hey this is Thailand.

If only they would comply with the rules Noodles. Is it laziness or are they serious non-compliers ?

Yep, 06:00 is not 06:00, not 06:01.

All about USA. Thought it was a coalition. If the article did more to mention the coalition then it would  have some relevance to Thailand.  It is an interesting article but should be somewhere else.

It is about the coalition and I salute each person and every part of the coalition.

I thought this stuff was for the bear pit.......... If these threads are not stopped soon, I will start posting as well - George and the DR, you have banned people for less (no I am not asking for a banning), where is the balance and consistancy?

What's a "Bear Pit"? Sounds good to me, he11 let's go!

www.bearpit.net off you go mate, you should feel at home!

First of all I'm not your mate and secondly I get bored as he11 with all these sudo grade school hall monitors like you that open threads with topics they don't agree with and then go bitchin about what is posted there. We have Admins for monitoring what is posted here, let them do their job, my hat is off to them all for doing a good and balanced job here. You don't agree with the postings, that is your business but leave the rest of us to <deleted> alone.

All about USA. Thought it was a coalition. If the article did more to mention the coalition then it would  have some relevance to Thailand.  It is an interesting article but should be somewhere else.

It is about the coalition and I salute each person and every part of the coalition.

I thought this stuff was for the bear pit.......... If these threads are not stopped soon, I will start posting as well - George and the DR, you have banned people for less (no I am not asking for a banning), where is the balance and consistancy?

What's a "Bear Pit"? Sounds good to me, he11 let's go!

All about USA. Thought it was a coalition. If the article did more to mention the coalition then it would have some relevance to Thailand. It is an interesting article but should be somewhere else.

It is about the coalition and I salute each person and every part of the coalition.

No I am not being funny and making oxymorons here when I am requesting suggestions for an honest attorney.

If you have one or know of one in Chiang Mai please post the name and contact info and I'll thank you for doing that.

I'm not in Taiwan am I??

Hey folks, we are not finished with this topic yet   so please quit trying to put it on the back burner.

Errh, Goat Roper, what was the topic?

Aaahh, Muslims, You worry me

Wait a few days to see the developments in the South, Thailand I mean.

BTW, got a call from my mother last night, she is 84. Suggested I better come home, saw in the news "all the trouble in Bangkok".

I have an 85 year old aunt that phoned me yesterday and said I had better leave Taiwan(yes Taiwan and there were lots of ighting going on in the south, se said it was too dangerous to be there. God bless her I have been here for more than two decades and she still thinks I'm in Taiwan.

Hey folks, we are not finished with this topic yet so please quit trying to put it on the back burner.

yeah 'ring of fire' is a Johnny Cash song........ Some years ago it was also the name of an Indian restaurant in Perth Western Australia !! Say no more !!!

and the family of johnny cash are now taking the makers of haemorrhoid medication (preparation.h i think) to court because they used the song in one of their tv ads.

Haven't heard this but funny stuff indeed.

Hi,

I've been here 16++ yrs. I was a soldier [sF] before coming to Thailand

Trakker

Were you in 1st SFG(A) Okinawa.

I was there from 85 thru 87.

HHC company (63b) mech.

That is where I got my taste for Thailand.

Hey Padkapow guy, I fought the battle of Okinawa too, 1958, 59, 60 and 61, Got scars to prove it.

, then I get a ring of fire the next day !!

Isn't "Ring of fire" a Johnny Cash song?

I just can say that is someone working in the government. I have no interest spreading fake information but as I have no access to the database government....I can't prove anything. I just trust my source and I'm not willing to put h.. under cross fire.

Take it as you like.

That's fair enough and I understand you want to protect your sources but at the same time how is anyone to believe what you are saying? Show us some leg here.

I am not pro Moslem but .........

Are you all that hateful against them?

I made some similar statements,

thinking quite in the same way as you do.....

For me personally Islam = no way

One true problem is, that Islam indeed makes all and everything more difficult...

Pattani is a dangerous zone, originally not ethnic-Thai, and many Muslims there feel somehow like occupied....

My personal opinion is, to move that territory somehow back to Malaysia, from where it came originally.....

My impression is, that police must do something, but obviously they are bad trained, have insufficient equipment and missing intelligence-information to control these areas.

A strong and powerful police and military like Thailand has stationed in the South, should be easily be able to prevent such attacks or to be able to arrest most of these people alive.

No reason to *congratulate* Thailand for this *success*

Johann

What in the he11 are you smoking, I am aghast that you even said this and I will forget you did, are you sure you are not a Muslim????

Is he one of the Farang/Thais that our CEO is getting ready to deport because he has two passports?

I was with BUPA for six years, never filed a claim, when I turned sixty and they found out I was a biker they increased my premium 48%, I told them to stuff it and now I'm self insured.

Like one of the other members said that Paradon needs to develope mental toughness and I fully agree as do most folks. If his father hasn't given/taught him this discipline yet then it is not going to happen unless a new coach is brought in and maybe kick Paradon's butt a little. Lots of pro Tennis players get a little equipment abusive on the court sometimes and I think this is ok, shows they have spirit. I just would very much like to see Paradon do well but I am afraid he is on a downward spiral and it is very dificult to come back when one's rankings and earnings continue to fall. I am hoping as well as some of my Thai friends that there will be at least a supplemental coach show up soon.

One other tenis player who could do with a kick up his butt is our English ace Tim Henman. Then i've never given him any credit where it's due as he has concentracted on improving his mental toughness where as I always thought he could do with increasing his lean muscle mass. It may be pedantic to say an athlete should do this and that but our Timmy looks like he could put on a few pounds extra.

Where as Paradon has been lucky to be gifted his families toughness and athletic prowess from probably Chinese ancestory or is it a Thai-Chinese background? Anyway as I live in this country as a guest I will be rooting for Paradon in the future as I had done supporting Wattana knocking in that 147 score some years back.

Thaimee.

On a given day Tim Henman can beat anyone, I have seen him play absolutely brilliant, but he does seem to be lacking in something and I for sure don't know what this might be.

I have been in Phuket for a while and have seen various situations that might interest you:

* First of all I have met many farangs who were convinced 100% that their wife / gf was the real deal and that their wifes loved them. Many of those are now broke back home because they did not protect themselves.

* Some Belgians redid soi easy and the dragon disco there and rented it from the former mayor of Patong. They pumped 15 million bath in and when it was finished, the guy kicked them out die to a loophole in the contract which the Belgium's laywyer did not see (perhaps on purpose)

* Dutch guy bought land at freedom beach and wanted to build a house there. The land title ended up being wrong and it was government land so he ended up with nothing.

* An american guy bought land which had a plantation of some kind. He was assured with phony document that he could build a housing estate. he purchased the land and found out later that the zoning regulation only allowed him to grow trees and fruit.

On the other side, I have a friend who bought land in Thalang some time ago and just sold it for a very healthy profit

Dang, this is scary stuff, I have a Dutch friend (with Dutch wife) that is building a mansion in Phuket, don't have any details about the land but I guess he does.