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8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:
Yeah ...................Likely , as I said
Make sure you get the last word, mate ????
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13 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:
IF it go's into a museum then fine. However that still doesn't excuse mob rule.
This aint Springfield!
i would normally agree with you 100% but these are not normal times.
Okay, so the students got away with pulling down an unremarkable statue to very controversial figure. Rather that than police intervention and the risk of a potential riot
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4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:
Maybe, maybe not
He actually said...
"We will get the statue back and it will highly likely end up in one of our museums.
"What's happened to this statue is part of this city's history and it's part of that statue's story."
Doesn't sound like it will be left in the water to me ????
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Just now, CorpusChristie said:
No , he stated that the statue would "likely" end up in a museum
Then likely that's where it'll be ????
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1 minute ago, Chelseafan said:
Of course it's a rewrite of history. In 50 years time his name will be forgotten, whether that's a good thing or bad thing is a matter of opinon.
The sad thing is that this act of wonton vandalism is getting more air time than the cause of the protest itselfif his statue is placed in a museum how is his name forgotten? In fact he will also become part of a new history, one that is unfolding right now, which should also be preserved and not forgotten.
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6 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:
The statue has gone into the river , not a museum
Remains to be seen what happens next
...the mayor of Bristol has said it will be recovered and placed in a museum
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7 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:
My point is that slavery was endemic and you can't rewrite history because a mob says so. If you want to bring it closer to home then as others have said, lets take down all the statues of Churchill or Rhodes.
Until a few days ago I bet most wouldn't have given a toss about these statues anyhow
...no one's trying to rewrite history. The Statue will go in a museum with an account of who the guy is and why his statue was removed by people in Bristol....what's happening now is also history in the making
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12 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:
Yeah agree, statues don't bother me, no point fighting over them. Only two in my town, war memorial and a memorial to martyrs during Queen Mary reign who were burned at the stake.
...in Liverpool there's a statue of Queen Vic that looks like she's a
ladyboy from the left side, (she's got a staff in her right hand) homophobes will probably have torn it down by the weekend! ????-
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26 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:
More snippets, this is looking like a Mao style cultural revolution now.
The lord mayor of Cardiff, Dan De’Ath, has called for the statue of the former governor of Trinidad, Thomas Picton, to be removed from the city council’s marble hall.
Graffiti has appeared on the Melville statue in St Andrew Square in the wake of the Edinburgh Black Lives Matter protests that took place yesterday. The statue commemorates Henry Dundas, a politician who delayed the end of slavery leading to around 630,000 slaves waiting an extra 10 years for their freedom.
...if a few statues get removed and couple more daubed with paint don't you think we'd have all gotten of lightly?
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7 minutes ago, evadgib said:Info seen elsewhere from a serving copper in that force says they knew full well what the plan was and that they had the resources to deal with it.
They were overruled.
Of course they have the resources to deal with a few thousand students and yes, they probably knew what was going to happen. There has been opposition and threats to the statue for quite a time.
The police would have had a discussion with the mayor on the way forward, common sense prevailed
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1 minute ago, tribalfusion001 said:
The music venue Colston Hall in Bristol has issued a statement today confirming its intention to change its name. The plan to abandon the Colston name (derived from Edward Colston) was originally announced three years ago, and a new name was due to be unveiled this spring, as part of a development of the building. The work has been held up because of the coronavirus crisis, the statement says.
"Back in the Commons, asked if she agrees that statues of white men who enslaved others should be removed, Priti Patel, the home secretary, said decisions like this should be taken democratically within the law." Another fudger and bluffer in the cabinet.
The Labour party support the action-that's what opposition do.
The Torys as government have to stand by the mantra of law and order as they're the ones who have to uphold it...don't try and read to much into it
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15 minutes ago, evadgib said:The lack of discipline, and Parliament's Army (in the form of plod) sitting back and allowing it to happen right under their noses.
...as i said earlier, do you think the police should have risked turning a fairly peaceful demonstration into a riot to save a statue of a slave trader? The demonstrators made their point and went home. No one was hurt, no looting or burning. I think the police played it exactly right
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13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
So what’s your problem with a statue of a slave trader being thrown in the harbor?
...none at all. Where did i say i did?
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18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Here’s the position.
The teaching of British history in British schools does not include the history of the abuses committed by the British across the British Empire.
...you're wrong. I can remember learning about the 'slave triangle' in school, among other things but that stuck in my mind. Manufactured goods were taken from Bristol or Liverpool to West Africa, then exchanged for slaves. They were then packed into boats for a long journey to the New World where they were sold for a vast profit. Raw materials were then bought back to the UK and sold. Profit being made on each leg of the voyage.
I was a fifteen year old kid when i saw this old diagram of a Slaver packed with slaves and learnt about the inhuman conditions...it had quite an impact on my
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9 minutes ago, baansgr said:
Exactly, leftie bearded fascists have a blinkered view....they don't even know the true history of slavery...it's like banging your head against a wall with these dimwits...they now want a replacement statue of a black guy that was barely in Bristol and basically did sweet FA..but was awarded an OBE under Blair's facist regime on the sole basis of being black...
...true, but when you consider the vast fortune he made from such a terrible trade it's easy to understand why many feel he doesn't deserve a statue
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3 minutes ago, Susco said:
Better someone tells us which country in the world was never involved in slavery, that list will most likely be very short.
What happened hundreds of years ago, and was accepted at that time, should now not be an excuse to loot shops and start violence.
Here, here! ????
But i don't think anyone is looting and starting violence because of what happened hundreds of years ago...more like a couple of weeks ago ????
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6 minutes ago, Bruno123 said:Erm......
The history you were taught in school was the edited version. That's the point of widening your study material.
I went to regular schools in the UK and was taught about the slave trade and colonialism...of course, we weren't taught the whole thing in depth, we have over 1,500 yrs of history to get through! But i certainly got enough to know that it wasn't all covered in glory but then isn't that the history of the world?
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4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:
I agree, Brits need to know that we only entered the slave trade after it was fully established and had been going on for 100's years before we got involved and it was us who outlawed slavery and put a stop to it .
Britain outlawed slavery
...slavery, you mean one group of people forcing another to work for nothing?
Prostitution or slavery, debatable which is older
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12 minutes ago, vogie said:Most people would not condone mass howling rabid mobs but settle things at the ballot box.
Mass, howling, rabid mob??
The protest in Bristol was pretty peaceful from what i gather. No buildings set afire, no shops looted, no violence towards police or property of any kind, correct me if i'm wrong...the protesters were pretty focused, pretty on point considering the context, racial inequality.
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22 minutes ago, vogie said:Whether the statue should be there or not is not up to us to decide but the residents of Bristol and lets not forget that a lot of the world was built by slaves, should we knock the pyramids down, should we pull the acropolis and the parthenan down or what about the Whitehouse, it is all part of our culture now and all built by slaves. Thank god those days have gone but it was the norm just a few hundred years ago infact wasn't it a Yorkshireman Wilber Wilberforce who led the way in slave abolishment.
...in 'normal' times i would agree with you. It's not up to the public to decide what statues stand and what are pulled down (outside of the ballot box). But at the risk of sparking a riot i think the police got it right.
Now, don't get silly and equate pulling down an unremarkable statue of a slave trader with destroying one of the seven wonders of the ancient world or architectural master pieces...yes it's all part of our culture, that's why the mayor was correct to have the statue pulled out of the harbour and will be placed in a museum, as a historical record of what happened
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27 minutes ago, vogie said:I lived in Otley near Leeds for some years, we had a statue of Thomas Chippendale mounted there, I often thought what a lousy furnature maker he was, but I was never tempted to topple the statue.
The sad part is that the police are as much use as a chocolate fireguard, they just stand and watch as people break the law. A Labour MP has already condoned the mobs actions, same old Labour.☹️
Is it really a good idea for the police to attempt to stop protesters pulling down a controversial statue (there have been attempts to remove it before) and risk public disorder/safety on a larger scale? The statue's of a slave trader. Let them pull it down and vent their anger. The mayor has said it will go in a museum as a historic account of the city. The vast majority of those pulling down the statue were white! ????
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On 6/7/2020 at 10:52 AM, Jingthing said:
...The original sin of the American culture is slavery of black people which was never addressed after it ended. Instead we got lynchings, Jim Crow laws, systemic racism, and wildly unequal treatment of black people in the injustice system...
After the abolition of slavery, blacks were rewarded for 200 years of working for no pay with sharecropping. Their previous slave owners now allowed them to work their land and took a percentage of the crop as payment. Many of the sharecroppers had to buy their provisions from the company store. Their share of the crop was held in leui of payment of the bill.
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51 minutes ago, Lacessit said:
I see plenty of 20 yo girls on ThaiFriendly advertising they will accept any age.
...Tinder as well. Everything is moving online, just another threat that Nana Plaza, Cowboy and Patpong have to face
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2 hours ago, Logosone said:
You may want to check the Reeperbahn in Germany, indeed all of Germany is a giant brothel with 500,000 prostitutes, Netherlands is notorious for red light districts, Cuba's Malecon is basically one long red light district when the police are not in enforcing mood.
If you think prostitution will cease to exist in Thailand I think you'll be sorely disppointed. Prostitution has survived earthquakes, tsunamis, the AIDS pandemic, wars, it is more resilient than most professions. For very obvious reasons.
I never mentioned prostitution.
The Reeperbahn, Amsterdam and the Malecon red light areas are not 'entertainment' areas like Bangkok. You can't get a beer at a bar and BJ like you can in BKK ????
ladyboy from the left side, (she's got a staff in her right hand) homophobes will probably have torn it down by the weekend! 
Felling of British slave trader statue heats up simmering debate
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Just students pulling down a dodgy statue...no need to get frightened ????