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Friday, 3 August, 2001 to be precise.

In June the same year it was alleged "Mr Thaksin's opponents have accused him of orchestrating the campaigns to intimidate the judges of the constitutional court who will decide his fate some time in the next two months."

I am sure Thaksin is involved. But I don't see his face in the video. Maybe Thaksin was the one holding the video recorder.

Not sure of "red suicide bombers" becoming a reality. But then again I do remember a number of reds stating they wanted to die during the takeover of BKK .... this included some old women who didn't want to go to the temple when the authorities moved in.

However, I could see Red leaders giving some of their followers a backpack to deliver to somebody which, unknowingly to the follower, contains a bomb.

CRES & DSI would really want to contact you for these sensitives info you hav egot. Can you still recall the face of their followers that deliver backpacks?

Dems will win regardless of any clips. Dems can just claim that it was photoshoped, and everyone in this world (minus the Red-shirt) will blindly believe.

What is it with muslims, why cant they live in peace with everyone else? Why cant the moderate ones sort out the extremists? Almost everywhere there is unrest its this lot that are behind it, they want special treatmentfor an increasinging number of things and if they dont get it out of the box tumbles the suicide bomber, it is supposed to be a religon is it. I am glad Thailand does not allow there mosques to dominate the skyline like the Uk have let them get away with.

Be careful - there are more and more mosques appearing daily and this spreading dis-ease between Islam and anyone else is getting prolific like in Europe. Time will come when there will most likely be all out wars to decide this incestuous religion. But (in my opinion) most religions only 'happened' between 2,500 and 1500 years ago and hocus pocus still rules all who 'believe' in such. It is all about control and is all a croc. The bible, Quran, all the written words are never written by the vanquished and at each level of reproduction, are edited accordingly.

If the populace at large requires someone to berate them quoting texts, and 'lead' them to let them know right from wrong then it is a sorry state of mind for those people. Now won't this get the god squad, rag traders and bible thumpers happening?

As to the SoE down south for 12 more weeks? What would be the point - it is going to keep happening until the Islamic population are returned to their Malaysian roots. But if you have been there lately, not even Thai is spoken at large now so why not annex it - put up a wall across the country and let them stay there. I'll get off the soap box now.

I agree with you this is a incestuous religion. They will never be happy with themselves unless they can control others. The really sad part is they can't even get along with themselves. Are you sure Malaysia wants them or will take them. I thought they wanted to set up there own sick little country.

Personally I think we should send them all to Antarctic and set up there own little world. We should also give them a unlimited supply of explosives they will soon solve the problem.

All these discussion about the religion. I don't think it should be allowed here.

Anyone cares to disagree?

The demonstrators would continue to hold rallies or conduct violence because their �big boss� has ordered them not to stop, Mr Abhisit said.

Please back up with a link. Please.

From another topic

"In his push for a return to Thailand, Thaksin has used video messages to encourage supporters but his broadcasts diminished during the April-May protests, which left 91 people dead in clashes between troops and demonstrators.

But he has not stopped his lobbying efforts and launched a public relations offensive in the wake of a deadly crackdown on the Red Shirt rallies, notably hiring Canadian lawyer and publicist Robert Amsterdam."

PS you may also phone k. Mark, your hero.

I don't see a link.

PS. Never heard of Mark Thatcher?

The PPP executive were filmed making payments, that's why they were disbanded.

not true.

2008-06-09 Bangkok

'The court said there was nothing wrong with the two VCDs used as evidence to back up the electoral fraud allegations against Mr Yongyuth'

You'll find a more detailed article on 'one of the other English language newspapers' website

A payment is a payment regardless.

May it be at the supermarket till or ...

Seriously...watch the movie...

Yawn.

There is so secrets left. Everything is already featured in the said movie.

Neville Chamberlain

"Peace for Our Time," September 30, 1938

The following statement was made by British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, in front of #10 Downing Street, London, after his arrival home from the notorious Munich Conference of 1938

We, the German Fuhrer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.

We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe.

My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honor. I believe it is "peace for our time." Go home and get a nice quiet sleep

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The following statement was made by the Prime Minister, in front of parliament.

We, the Prime Ministers of Thailand and Cambodia, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Thai-Cambodian relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for the region.

We regard the agreement signed last night as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.

We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of the region.

My good friends, for the second time in our history, a Prime Minister has returned from Cambodia bringing peace with honor. I believe it is "peace for our time." Go home and get a nice quiet sleep.

Perhaps the Prime Minister may do well to consider this little gem.

So Mark did a google search, and did a copy paste edit job.

So what.

What is your point here? That such document always comes before a war (UK & Germany soon enter a war [WWII])?

What a waste of time. Why extend it for just 3 months? Is there even a sligest chance that the problem going to be solved in 3 months? Why not let the SOE stay evergreen until further notice?

The Khmers will always view as evil people in the eyes on Bangkok people. They even prefers Burmese as domestic slavse (aka servants) over the Khmers.

However, people in E-San think differently. They consider Khmers as their distance relatives, and some even speak their language.

So are we to forget about this case, or will we get updated soon ?

- did Pheu Thai MP Visut Chai-narun already step down, or has been asked to ?

- do we know the name of the 'businessman' who asked to transfer money ?

- what is the triangle between k. Visut, k. Wasa and the businessman ?

- are all still in this country ?

and finally

- are pictures of k. Wasa available in public domain ?

Unlike an elephant, Thai people have short memories.

Smear on the high court needs to be cleared

By Avudh Panananda

The Nation

Unless doubts are satisfactorily dispelled in a timely manner, the looming verdict will lack credibility - regardless of whether it favours or does not favour the Democrats - as it is likely to inflame the red-shirt movement.

(The judges) also owe the public an explanation why Pasit could manage to "strike a deal" with Democrat MP Wiruch Romyen.

Has Pravit started writing under a pseudonym now? What is this ridiculous nonsense? This Avudh joker is smearing the Court and demanding - at the same time - the Court clear themselves of his smear? This is ludicrous.

I was unaware that the credibility of any judicial decision...was dependant on Red Shirt approval. What a ridiculous and contemptuous statement! It's tantamount to a claim that, without the Red Shirts conferring legitimacy onto Constitutional Court rulings - the Court simply has zero credibility. lol

The Red Shirt's fiery tantrums at Constitutional Court rulings which don't go their way really cannot (historically) lay claim to any correlation with sanity. Not really sure how the fool attempted to slip that one through, but there you have it. It's Pravit writing under a pseudonym, or a colleague's byline. It has to be.

Avudh: "The looming verdict will lack credibility...as it is likely to inflame the red-shirt movement."

Um, no. That statement is gross contempt of court. Who's the editor responsible for these faux journalists over at The Nation?

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As for Pasit and "deal-striking", obviously this 'reporter' hasn't yet completed his Introduction to Law 101 prerequisite grade school classes. He's never heard of entrapment. Yet, in spite of his repugnant ignorance, he has the nerve to order the Constitutional Court around? Demanding the judges presiding over the highest court in the land explain themselves to him; purely because Avudh (self-appointed Voice for The Public at Large) believes he is 'owed' that explanation / apology for their - evident - 'wrongdoing'?

What ludicrous insolence.

Avudh: "(The judges) also owe the public an explanation why Pasit could manage to "strike a deal" with Democrat MP Wiruch Romyen."

What they owe the public, is a quick-fire lesson on the definition of contempt of court. As well as a summary example of associated penalties as prescribed for tabloid purveyors of invested agenda; who have the arrogance / stupidity / sheer nerve to smear the highest court in the land with their idiotic Op-Eds; in a transparent attempt to thereby prejudice any (unfavourable) rulings about to be handed down by that court.

As for teaching simplicity to simpletons, the Court has better things to do with their time than confer unwarranted legitimacy onto illegitimate demands from ignorant and petulant media personnel who have discovered there are laws to protect the judiciary from their smear. So I shall assist Avudh with his grade school educational deficiencies and introduce him and his 14 year old classmates to the legal concept of entrapment; and why it's a legitimate defence in any civilised judicial system.

When faced with what appears to be a hopelessly rigged game, even honest men will bend the 'rules' if they are led to believe they have no choice, and when the alternative appears untenable.

In criminal law, entrapment is constituted by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.

If (breaking the law) was the result of entrapment then he is not guilty. Government agent/s entrapped him if three conditions are fulfilled:

• The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime. Tick!
• Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving him the opportunity to commit the crime is not the same as persuading him to commit the crime. Tick!
• The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before the government agents spoke with him. Tick!

I'm getting pretty tired of reading these Red journalists bumble their idiotic ways through their The Nation Op-Eds. Hack, hack, hacking away with their blunt machetes, crudely slashing away at logic. Frantically attempting to hijack the discussion, hoping to force a level of legitimacy onto their attempts to compromise the integrity of due process. Desperately trying to drag relevant entities down into the mud with them, endlessly pestering in the hope that someone will make a mistake...and engage them.

They're pathetic. And so transparent. They're trying to slant and spin discussion from within whilst Amsterdam slants and spins away from the other side.

I really wish The Nation had a competent sub-editor or two...it's shameful that any editor (competent or not) would let these contemptible Red Op-Eds go anywhere near the printing presses. Or their authors anywhere near a The Nation byline.

This only prove 1 thing.

You do not understand Thai language; you have no idea what the discussion was about in the video clip.

Everyone assume that K. Pasit initiated the meeting. WHY?

For whatever the reasons why the videos were released, whether it is a setup as allege, we must NOT be detracted from the facts that the Democrats illegally manipulated the witnesses and the Thai legal system.

As this statement will undoubtedly be misused by all and sunder, just a short reply and question: which facts?

Just watch the clip. Your answer is in there.

You may need your gf to translate for you.

For whatever the reasons why the videos were released, whether it is a setup as allege, we must NOT be detracted from the facts that the Democrats illegally manipulated the witnesses and the Thai legal system.

Did they?

Yes they did.

Wirat ready to explain video clip scandal

BANGKOK, 19 October 2010 (NNT) - The Democrat Party MP who appeared on the video footage negotiating with a Constitutional Court official said he could explain everything on the clip, and that the talk was not in connection with the Democrat’s fund misuse case.

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What I would like to know is

- why took the initiative for the meetings ?

If you mean "who", it's been reported by several sources that Pasit initiated the meeting.

last but not least

- what do I have to do to get my lunch meetings taped ?

get some dirt on a Thai soap opera star

The court personnel has been caughted red-hand (on tape). It must be Thailand first.

Doesn't exactly look like as clandestine lobbying meeting,

more like a well attended public legal meeting.

And there are reported to be tow very different sub-title transcriptions

depending on the side presenting the videos leanings.

Only if you could understand Thai. No caption needed.

Wirat ready to explain video clip scandal

BANGKOK, 19 October 2010 (NNT) - The Democrat Party MP who appeared on the video footage negotiating with a Constitutional Court official said he could explain everything on the clip, and that the talk was not in connection with the Democrat’s fund misuse case.

Democrat Party MP for Ranong Wirat Romyen flatly denied lobbying the court official. He said he was not worried about the libel law suit filed by the Pheu Thai Party against the Democrats.

The Democrat MP admitted that he had met Pasit Sakdanarong, the then secretary to the president of the Constitutional Court, who was dismissed from his post after the clip had been released. Mr Wirat did not say how many times they had met, but said he would wait for the belligerent Pheu Thai Party to make a move. He added the meeting was personal; his party did not send him there.

The scandalous clip was released on Sunday, one day before the last witness cross-examination day in the Democrat Party dissolution case. The ruling party has been accused of breaching the Political Party Act by misusing a political party development fund worth 29 million baht provided by the EC.

Meanwhile, the ABAC Poll by Assumption University stated that 54 percent of the respondents thought that the video footage has tarnished the credibility of the justice system.

-- NNT 2010-10-19

For whatever the reasons why the videos were released, whether it is a setup as allege, we must NOT be detracted from the facts that the Democrats illegally manipulated the witnesses and the Thai legal system.

Mark - fence-mending effort.

DSI - war creation effort.

Every govt want to make the poor rich, and the rich richer, and themselves super rich. All of them ONLY succeeded in the 3rd case.

Smear on the high court needs to be cleared

By Avudh Panananda

The Nation

Published on October 19, 2010

Something is seriously wrong at the Constitution Court as it hears another important case, involving possible dissolution of the Democrat Party.

High court president Chat Chonlaworn has swiftly sacked his secretary. But making Pasit Sakdanarong a fall guy yesterday does not sweep the problem away.

In order to regain trust, the high court has to dispel lingering doubt on two issues - the leak of judicial debate in judges' private chambers and the lapse in supervision of Pasit, who acted like he was authorised to broker a deal on the case.

Unless doubts are satisfactorily dispelled in a timely manner, the looming verdict will lack credibility - regardless of whether it favours or does not favour the Democrats - as it is likely to inflame the red-shirt movement.

Even though the Pheu Thai Party is known for its push to disband the main coalition party, five video clips released on YouTube late last week are not just about gutter politics but tantamount to dropping a bomb on the core of judicial credibility.

In courts all around the world, judges exchange ideas before forming their respective decisions. Such debates are privileged information rarely released before a verdict is handed down.

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http://www.nationmul...d-30140334.html

In Thailand, if anyone question judges (regardless if the judges are corrupted or not) us against the law, and will be punished in jail.

Please be careful what you type.

Self censorship is best, as your IP address is logged.

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"To most members here they view the Red shirts as illiterate morons full of deception, lies and violence."

Not at all. Sure, the red shirts have some illiterates. Sure, the red shirts have some morons (as do the yellow shirts).

But it's the red shirt leaders that are full of deception, lies and violence.

Correct.

Just another over-rated weekend.

Why can't North Korean just stay at home, instead of roaming the world causing trouble to innocent counties like Thailand. The world should have laws and punishment against economic migrant

Just because you do not like your country leader does not give you the right to move to another country. Else millions of Red-shirts might want to migrate too.

These Tamil needs to be send back to Sri Lankan; and if found to have broken any law, be put in jail (jail are for criminals). They must not be rewarded to have a good live in Canada.

Thai police have been heavily corrupted by Thaksin, and Thasksin alone. It is like a kind of illness.

It will take a while after Thaksin death for the corrupted police to recover.