Hunter Shoots Friend Dead in Chiang Rai Forest

Hunting being illegal here has this as an avoidable accident. Lack of skills necessary is how he shoots his own friend, mistaking him for a hog. It does happen worldwide, people mistaking others for a deer, but a hog is so low to the ground it should never have happened, unless of course it was intentional.

10 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Hunting being illegal here has this as an avoidable accident. Lack of skills necessary is how he shoots his own friend, mistaking him for a hog. It does happen worldwide, people mistaking others for a deer, but a hog is so low to the ground it should never have happened, unless of course it was intentional.

Perhaps the victim was low to the ground also.

This guy that killed his friend is clearly a complete muppet. Despite hunting and swanning around with an unregistrated shotgun being illegal... he just unloaded at short range on a mystery target that he had no idea what it was... talk about cowboy, gung-ho nonsense and a danger to everything. So many red flags with this that it's hard to know where to begin.

16 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps the victim was low to the ground also.

If he saw the eyes of a boar, meaning he was using a light, he wouldn't have shot the man in the abdomen, as a man usually isn't going to be crawling while hunting hogs but standing and his shots would be directed at those eyes, which are below the height of a man's abdomen, where no eye reflection happens, and if the man was crawling on the ground for whatever weird reason and the shooter saw eyes, the man wouldn't have been shot in the abdomen but the head.

The invisible hand of Dick Cheney made him do it. Or maybe the victim was grubbing around in the underbrush in his favourite mohair coat.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If he saw the eyes of a boar, meaning he was using a light, he wouldn't have shot the man in the abdomen, as a man usually isn't going to be crawling while hunting hogs but standing and his shots would be directed at those eyes, which are below the height of a man's abdomen, where no eye reflection happens, and if the man was crawling on the ground for whatever weird reason and the shooter saw eyes, the man wouldn't have been shot in the abdomen but the head.

What makes you think he couldn't have been crouching down, sitting down or lying down?

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What makes you think he couldn't have been crouching down, sitting down or lying down?

He's never been hunting

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What makes you think he couldn't have been crouching down, sitting down or lying down?

Have you ever hunted hogs? If he was crouching down, he wouldn't have been shot in the abdomen but the head, as a humans eyes are usually in their head. No one hunts hogs sitting or lying down except for during daytime or in a stand. The man said he saw eyes and shot. .

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

He's never been hunting

Who are you referring to?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Have you ever hunted hogs? If he was crouching down, he wouldn't have been shot in the abdomen but the head, as a humans eyes are usually in their head. No one hunts hogs sitting or lying down except for during daytime or in a stand. The man said he saw eyes and shot. .

Perhaps he started to stand up just as his pal pulled the trigger, perhaps his pal was bad shot, perhaps his abdomen was exposed to his pal and he turned his head to face him hence his pal seeing his eyes. But if you're claiming, without any evidence to do so, that his pal shot him deliberately, so be it, you must be right.

Just now, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps he started to stand up just as his pal pulled the trigger, perhaps his pal was bad shot, perhaps his abdomen was exposed to his pal and he turned his head to face him hence his pal seeing his eyes. But if you're claiming, without any evidence to do so, that his pal shot him deliberately, so be it, you must be right.

I didn't say he shot him deliberately but he might have.

People don't hunt hogs at night from the ground, but I guess he could have fallen, then was getting up when his partner saw his eyes and shot, seeing the pellets would have been there a split second later, depending on distance, and could have hit him in the abdomen, again if his partner was a bad shot and shot low. A lousy hunter in any event , shooting at eyes without knowing the whereabouts of his partner.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps he started to stand up just as his pal pulled the trigger, perhaps his pal was bad shot, perhaps his abdomen was exposed to his pal and he turned his head to face him hence his pal seeing his eyes. But if you're claiming, without any evidence to do so, that his pal shot him deliberately, so be it, you must be right.

I didn't say he shot him deliberately but he might have

You certainly suggested that it may have been deliberate...

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

it should never have happened, unless of course it was intentional

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You certainly suggested that it may have been deliberate...

May have is a possibility, as is an accident. I've been hunting over 50 years, and heard firsthand about quite a few accidents and how they happened, deer, bird , turkey and hog hunting,and hunting hogs is a Texas pastime, and I know a few professionals who do it, and have had many chances at hogs myself but was hunting deer so didn't want to spook the deer.

Yes, this is either a deliberate act. or of a complete moron with an illegal gun, hunting hogs illegally, who shot at eyes instead of knowing his target, who somehow hit the abdomen while aiming at eyes, in a sport where people are walking and not on the ground, especially at night using lights.

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You certainly suggested that it may have been deliberate...

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You certainly suggested that it may have been deliberate...

May have is a possibility, as is an accident. I've been hunting over 50 years, and heard firsthand about quite a few accidents and how they happened, deer, bird , turkey and hog hunting,and hunting hogs is a Texas pastime, and I know a few professionals who do it

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

I think I know this isn't Texas, whatever that means, and being a hunter, I know these weren't professionals, and hunting is illegal in Thailand. These are all things I've already said. Why keep coming back when you have seen all what I wrote already?

I suggested two possible situations, one of which is right, and seeing no one here knows them, it's just possible scenarios. I understand hunting, while you likely never have hunted, based on your replies. He either intentionally shot his partner, or shot at "eyes", which isn't something a hunter does, especially if others are in the same woods. He hit him in the abdomen, and seeing no one hunts at night on the ground, he was either a very bad shot, hitting about 2 feet low, or he shot at him after he he rose from the ground, as you said, which meant he fell and was getting up, and if he was close when his partner fired, the pellets would have hit his head, neck and upper chest.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

This isn't Texas and the two involved in this incident were obviously not professionals as hunting is illegal in Thailand.

I think I know this isn't Texas, whatever that means, and being a hunter, I know these weren't professionals, and hunting is illegal in Thailand. These are all things I've already said. Why keep coming back when you have seen all what I wrote already?

I suggested two possible situations, one of which is right, and seeing no one here knows them, it's just possible scenarios. I understand hunting, while you likely never have hunted, based on your replies. He either intentionally shot his partner, or shot at "eyes", which isn't something a hunter does, especially if others are in the same woods. He hit him in the abdomen, and seeing no one hunts at night on the ground, he was either a very bad shot, hitting about 2 feet low, or he shot at him after he he rose from the ground, as you said, which meant he fell and was getting up, and if he was close when his partner fired, the pellets would have hit his head, neck and upper chest.

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

but a hog is so low to the ground it should never have happened,

…assuming that the terrain was flat, enough light for the observer’s eye and there was no vegetation impeding visibility to have a clear observable parallax.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I know these weren't professionals,

How would you know this? Many folks here who hunt have been doing it for decades to feed their families, and sell to their neighbors which would be a profession, illegal, yet a profession nonetheless.

1 minute ago, novacova said:

…assuming that the terrain was flat, enough light for the observer’s eye and there was no vegetation impeding visibility to have a clear observable parallax.

Yes, he could have been shooting downhill at eyes, which makes it a possible accident and him that moron illegal hunter. But hitting the abdomen also means a terrible or intentional shot, and seeing it was a shotgun, and it only hit his lower torso, it was a very close shot, as the pattern didn't have time to expand. Also seeing it was in the lower torso, if he was aiming at the eyes at close range, it should have hit his head and neck area, as he was shooting at eyes. It had to be at night as hogs eyes only glow at night, and human's really don't. And none at daytime.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, he could have been shooting downhill at eyes, which makes it a possible accident and him that moron illegal hunter. But hitting the abdomen also means a terrible or intentional shot, and seeing it was a shotgun, and it only hit his lower torso, it was a very close shot, as the pattern didn't have time to expand. Also seeing it was in the lower torso, if he was aiming at the eyes at close range, it should have hit his head and neck area, as he was shooting at eyes. It had to be at night as hogs eyes only glow at night, and human's really don't. And none at daytime.

You should probably stay out of this subject given the formulation of your statements it’s apparent that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

8 minutes ago, novacova said:

How would you know this? Many folks here who hunt have been doing it for decades to feed their families, and sell to their neighbors which would be a profession, illegal, yet a profession nonetheless.

Professionals don't shoot their partners or at things that move. Hunting is illegal here so there aren't any professional hunters, especially seeing there is little game to hunt besides rats and some illegally. Subsistence hunting using homemade guns is what some do. Mostly for rats, as the only deer here are in provincial parks and are illegal to hunt, although some so poach, usually the rich who pay someone off. There are a lot of hogs, although how many are hunted only the locals know, and again, it's illegal. If you want to call it professional because some do it to feed some families, that's on you

1 minute ago, novacova said:

You should probably stay out of this subject given the formulation of your statements it’s apparent that you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

Maybe it's you, seeing I'm the hunter and you aren't. If you can't understand what I've been saying, it's obvious you don't hunt, and haven't knowledge on guns, and especially shotguns. I again offered two scenarios, and that's two that could have happened from what's been told.

59 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps he started to stand up just as his pal pulled the trigger, perhaps his pal was bad shot, perhaps his abdomen was exposed to his pal and he turned his head to face him hence his pal seeing his eyes. But if you're claiming, without any evidence to do so, that his pal shot him deliberately, so be it, you must be right.

What he writes is certainly plausible. What's your problem?

It is a long time since I have been hunting but you always knew what the quarry was by the colour of the eyes. Or do humans and hogs have the same reflective colour?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you want to call it professional because some do it to feed some families, that's on you

A professional is an occupation for monetary gain.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Maybe it's you, seeing I'm the hunter and you aren't. If you can't understand what I've been saying, it's obvious you don't hunt,

No, you obviously never been out in the sticks hunting. Your statements are very disorienting for a hunter.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

and especially shotguns.

Yeah right, especially shotguns which are known for being inaccurate. Something that a “been around guns hunter” would know.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

it's obvious you don't hunt

Not anymore, though have quite a few kills in my wake.

1 minute ago, GreasyFingers said:

It is a long time since I have been hunting but you always knew what the quarry was by the colour of the eyes. Or do humans and hogs have the same reflective colour?

Human eyes do not glow like game, as they have no tapetum lucidum like animals do, which reflects light.

2 minutes ago, novacova said:

A professional is an occupation for monetary gain.

No, you obviously never been out in the sticks hunting. Your statements are very disorienting for a hunter.

Yeah right, especially shotguns which are known for being inaccurate. Something that a “been around guns hunter” would know.

Not anymore, though have quite a few kills in my wake.

I know what professional means.

Obviously after hunting over 50 years I've been out in the sticks a thousand times.

Shotguns shoot a pattern, and at very close range, hit a small area because the pattern didn't have time to spread out.

He was shot in the abdomen, and it doesn't say anywhere else, so this means it was a very close shot. If the man aimed at the eyes, which don't glow in a headlamp like game does anyway, he would have hit the upper body and head, unless he intentionally aimed at his balls.

Shotguns have a pattern, which doesn't mean inaccurate, especially at close range. Ever pattern a shotgun for bird or small game hunting? I have. I've shot over 100 deer , and many other animals and birds, and try not to assume when you haven't a clue to whom you're talking to.

26 minutes ago, FigLeaf said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Perhaps he started to stand up just as his pal pulled the trigger, perhaps his pal was bad shot, perhaps his abdomen was exposed to his pal and he turned his head to face him hence his pal seeing his eyes. But if you're claiming, without any evidence to do so, that his pal shot him deliberately, so be it, you must be right.

What he writes is certainly plausible. What's your problem

What I wrote is certainly plausible and, in the absence of anything to suggest that anything untoward happened, the likelihood is that it was an accident. What's your problem?

28 minutes ago, FigLeaf said:

What he writes is certainly plausible. What's your problem?

Hypercritical, obsessive, compulsive pedantry.....

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I know what professional means.

Then you should know that there are a lot of professional criminals out there in the world.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

and try not to assume when you haven't a clue to whom you're talking to.

Really now…

36 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

or intentional shot

This statement is where your credibility fails. An experienced hunter wouldn’t make such an assumption knowing that accidental hunting deaths are overwhelmingly accidental. As stated above, you seem very disoriented for a being a hunter.