Prasert orders nationwide school security crackdown

4 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Prasert asked social-media users and other sectors to avoid posting details or images that show how the attack was conducted. He said such material could encourage copycat behaviour and repeatedly expose viewers to harmful content.

Fully agree with this. Hard to enforce, but the real fear is there may very well be copycats.

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Wasn't there a horrendous incident at a kindergarten in Nongbua Lamphu about four years ago where among the 37 victims, 24 children, infants and an unborn child were stabbed to death?

Yes, but there was some media restraint. In fact, as I recall, they all stayed out of the school building and bloodbath inside. Only a foreign reporter (CNN I think) breached the building and was unanimously scorned by everyone including the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Thailand. I remember BBC's Jonathan Head sort of leading that complaint. CNN eventually apologized.

School security can be school employed security guards. I believe this school has such school security. But I have noted that only some schools have police on site. As a parent, Pattana Bangkok has loads of police security so does Schrewsbury international school. Apart from these 2 international schools who are filled with international and elite children, I have not seen any police security in other international schools let alone Thai schools.

So the question is whether what kind of security system is needed and this should include police alert..secured fencing, bringing weapons to school … then also the culture and moral education.. Thai should bring moral education as part of their primary school syllabus

5 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Limit sharing of attack material

Well, maybe in this case. But it's all there if you want to watch those shootings in US. So if someone wants to watch it....Easy access.

Check the students every morning for guns or knives similar to airport checks.

7 minutes ago, NemoH said:

I have not seen any police security in other international schools let alone Thai schools.

Yes good point. On school outings - field trips by bus - you often see a police escort. Not sure why. Maybe there was a spate of highway robberies or armed kidnappings targeting them?

Bullying is a national pastime. Parents/teachers bully their children/pupils, rich people bully poor people etc. etc. In such a hierarchical society, bullying is inevitable.

Teachers at school need to be more aware of there students mental state.

That applies to parents as well.

The two greatest influences on childrens lives are parents and teachers.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

More knee jerk incompetence. Same as the recently announced "nationwide" clamp down on foreign ownership of land via Thai proxies. Another can kicked well into the long grass.

Wasn't there a horrendous incident at a kindergarten in Nongbua Lamphu about four years ago where among the 37 victims, 24 children, infants and an unborn child were stabbed to death?

Thai news frequently shows smartphone video clips of horrendous child-on-child assault and bullying in schools nationwide. So it's safe to assume any "clamp downs" so quickly issued by ministers after such events are nothing more than words.

Sadly a very accurate observation. Turning a school in to a fortress will not work- and where would the money come from to create the fortress and then guard it's occupants?

Thailand has a largely uncontrolled and illegal firearm problem due to innate corruption.

Thailand has a largely weak and undisciplined educational sector due to innate corruption.

Thailand has a largely [insert poor socio-economic issue or condition here] due to innate corruption.

No problems with items 1 and 2. Practical measures that can be reasonably executed.

Item 3 is a typical catch all vague “instruction” that is meant to sound good without any specific action being taken.

The government schools that I have seen in Udon and Phuket have NO security. People wander in and out of school premises at will. The international school which my daughter attended in Udon similarly had no security other than a gate with a high catch that children couldn’t reach.

In Phuket, thankfully her school had good security, three guards at turnstiles operated by a card issued to parents

Even so, a kid attending the school with a gun in their back pack would go through. They do pay attention to bullying though and run regular classes on the impact of it. Teachers also pay attention to the overall well being of students.

3 hours ago, Deerculler said:

Teachers at school need to be more aware of there students mental state.

That applies to parents as well.

The two greatest influences on childrens lives are parents and teachers.

I can attest. Both had an extremely baleful influence on me.

Don't worry. Tsalright now.

10 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Schools told to take maximum precautions

This is a typical Thai response to a tragedy, always reactive and never proactive.

Maximum precautions should have been in place by the Thai Government a long time ago to protect the students and teachers and prevent such sad incidents. Health & Safety in Thailand - never!

And for Autin stating it is not a crime under Thai Juvenile Law, he should put his brain into gear and change the law (IMO). reference Thai Examiner -

Anutin tells foreign media Thailand’s school massacre was “not a crime” under juvenile law as he vows tougher gun controls, tighter school security and says the meticulously planned attack stemmed from mounting stress.

Edited August 8Aug 8 by Burma Bill

9 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

This is a typical Thai response to a tragedy, always reactive and never proactive.

Maximum precautions should have been in place by the Thai Government a long time ago to protect the students and teachers and prevent such sad incidents. Health & Safety in Thailand - never!

And for Autin stating it is not a crime under Thai Juvenile Law, he should put his brain into gear and change the law (IMO). reference Thai Examiner -

Anutin tells foreign media Thailand’s school massacre was “not a crime” under juvenile law as he vows tougher gun controls, tighter school security and says the meticulously planned attack stemmed from mounting stress.

It’s not even reactive really. Take maximum precautions is so vague as to be meaningless.

Education Minister Prasert Jantararuangtong has ordered schools across Thailand to raise security to their highest level after a shooting at a school in Nonthaburi on Friday, August 7.

That's that....what's next?

Everything is a "crackdown" here. Are they planning on putting armed cops in all the schools now? What a joke.

3 hours ago, MIke B Bad said:

Education Minister Prasert Jantararuangtong has ordered schools across Thailand to raise security to their highest level after a shooting at a school in Nonthaburi on Friday, August 7.

That's that....what's next?

Nothing of course. These never ending pro-establishment governments are there simply to shepherd the existing status quo and keep the working class and lower middle class from getting too 'upitty' over things, while the closed circle of wealthy continue on their merry way unimpeded. So ocassionaly, like now, the politicians come out and express outrage and announce crackdowns - but it is all just momentary drama. They don't really care. Didn't involve them. Maybe they'll have an inquiry.

People commenting on anyone can walk in and out of the schools but isn't that the same in most countries? As far as I know it is in the UK but maybe it's changed. and anyway the perpetrator was a student who attended the school so it wouldn't have made any difference in this horrific incident.

19 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Nothing of course. These never ending pro-establishment governments are there simply to shepherd the existing status quo and keep the working class and lower middle class from getting too 'upitty' over things, while the closed circle of wealthy continue on their merry way unimpeded. So ocassionaly, like now, the politicians come out and express outrage and announce crackdowns - but it is all just momentary drama. They don't really care. Didn't involve them. Maybe they'll have an inquiry.

....and nothing illustrates that more than that horrendous gas explosion on the children's school bus.........

Edited August 9Aug 9 by MIke B Bad

"The minister also instructed education agencies to provide mental-health assistance to people affected by the attack, while calling on social-media users not to circulate material showing how it was carried out."

-no measure only "calling not to"

"Prasert asked social-media users and other sectors to avoid posting details or images that show how the attack was conducted"

-asking to avoid: as we all know, when you ask kids not to do something it is a trigger to go on.

"Under the second measure, relevant agencies must provide psychological support without delay."

-do these agencies even exist, and if so do they have sufficient resources and personnel to act effectively? I am, to put it mildly, very skeptical on this subject.

"The third directive requires schools nationwide to increase their security measures to the highest level."

-to implement that effectively you need additional personnel who are of course not available

It's the usual politicians' rhetoric again. Nothing concrete will be done, and after a few days it will be business as usual.

That being said, my European country isn't much better.

1 hour ago, MIke B Bad said:

....and nothing illustrates that more than that horrendous gas explosion on the children's school bus.........

Yes. Completely forgotten. And no action taken to ensure it doesn't happen again (as far as I am aware). The tragedies are endless with no action - the various nightclub fires are another example.

32 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Yes. Completely forgotten. And no action taken to ensure it doesn't happen again (as far as I am aware). The tragedies are endless with no action - the various nightclub fires are another example.

What really upset me was the driver received a heavier punishment than the owners who had sanctioned the illegal extra tanks being fitted.......and their sentence was derisory.

21 hours ago, Pompeygeezer said:

People commenting on anyone can walk in and out of the schools but isn't that the same in most countries? As far as I know it is in the UK but maybe it's changed. and anyway the perpetrator was a student who attended the school so it wouldn't have made any difference in this horrific incident.

Can't speak for secondary schools but I think you will find all junior and infant schools had restricted access during the day and at the start and end of the day there will be some sort of supervisor on duty. That and hundreds om mums looking out for odd balls. Come to think of it secondary schools will have open office areas but student areas are restricted. My son's secondary school had a finger print access system.

Another 48 hour 'Crackdown' then; might even be forgotten within that timeframe !

16 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

Can't speak for secondary schools but I think you will find all junior and infant schools had restricted access during the day and at the start and end of the day there will be some sort of supervisor on duty. That and hundreds om mums looking out for odd balls. Come to think of it secondary schools will have open office areas but student areas are restricted. My son's secondary school had a finger print access system.

Obviously no-one is allowed to walk in and out of schools willy nilly but a lot of schools here and around the world (no doubt) have no-one on the gates to stop that. I know some schools do, usually the bigger ones but the smaller schools quite often don't.