Thaksin tweets his concern for fellow Thai citizens on anniversary of 2006 coup

[moondoggie]

33 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You mean his last flight to Beijing and he was stupid enough to carry lots of baggage with money to China? And he has not been charged with LM and locked up for good? You seem out of touch with reality. Only reality that sound about right is your assertion that people should decide. What don't seem right is that you speak of people's choice while supporting the junta robbing the people right to choose. A rather strange dichotomy. 

I thought Yingluck was a very good prime minister. She is a smart cookie.

[Baerboxer]

34 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You mean his last flight to Beijing and he was stupid enough to carry lots of baggage with money to China? And he has not been charged with LM and locked up for good? You seem out of touch with reality. Only reality that sound about right is your assertion that people should decide. What don't seem right is that you speak of people's choice while supporting the junta robbing the people right to choose. A rather strange dichotomy. 

 

Eric, Thaksin still regularly visits HK and China. Do you think he hasn't greased the "right palms" there ?

[Baerboxer]

Just now, moondoggie said:

I thought Yingluck was a very good prime minister. She is a smart cookie.

 

And you joined TVF one hour before sharing that with us.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

15 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

...And if a fair election were held today, he would win.

 

I know it, you know it, all the Thai people know it, big P knows it, Abihisit knows it.

 

All of Thailand knows it. All of it.

 

 

Yeah sure, you know it all.

 

Just like Hilary was going to win a landslide, the British would never vote to leave the EU,  May would win a landslide, etc etc

 

Nothing in life is certain, and certainly not in politics.

 

The last two contested elections the "safe seat" of Don Meauang' by-election, and the BKK governor election where Thaksin said he'd win even if he put a telephone poll up as candidate - they lost.

 

Would all depend on how well the Shin intimidation, coercion and gravy train channels were functioning. If they could still bribe enough local leaders to marshal the rural communities and deliver their votes, then they still might poll well.

[AGareth2]

8 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And you joined TVF one hour before sharing that with us.

 

 

probably joined for that sole reason

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Eric, Thaksin still regularly visits HK and China. Do you think he hasn't greased the "right palms" there ?

That's a pretty wild assumption by your standard. Anyway, anything to suit your agenda. 

[Baerboxer]

He was so concerned in 2014 that he promised "to be there, shoulder to shoulder, when the first shot

's fired".

 

Alas, a trip to do some luxury shopping in Paris got in the way.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

That's a pretty wild assumption by your standard. Anyway, anything to suit your agenda. 

 

Eric, you ever worked in China? 

 

I have.

 

Why do you think he goes there - to visit his little sister and watch her buy copious pearl necklaces?

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And you joined TVF one hour before sharing that with us.

 

 

Is there any forum rule that state new member can't say anything good about Yingluck ? Or the latter just tick you off. 

[Eric Loh]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Eric, you ever worked in China? 

 

I have.

 

Why do you think he goes there - to visit his little sister and watch her buy copious pearl necklaces?

U asking someone who work and spend most of my adult life in China? 25 years ago, you probably right about buying corruption.

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Is there any forum rule that state new member can't say anything good about Yingluck ? Or the latter just tick you off. 

 

No. Neither is their a rule that I can't post the coincidental fact that we get many new posters who join then immediately praise and defend the Shins.

 

Anyone suggesting she was a good PM must have some unique standards and judgement. But up to them!

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

U asking someone who work and spend most of my adult life in China? 25 years ago, you probably right about buying corruption.

 

Now's certainly not the time to be involved in corruption there with the "wrong" people. And corruption comes in many forms.

 

30 years ado the police in Shenzhen had some interesting scams, mainly aimed at visitors from HK & Taiwan. But Shenzhen was a bit rough then. Don't think that happens now. Got to admire the speed of change and transformation in China.

Edited September 20, 2017 by Baerboxer

[tryasimight]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

A timely reminder to Thailand that coups do not solved any problems. In fact it worsen the political problems and cause enormous damage to the economy and image. If coups can better the life of Thailand, why coups are repeated 18 times over with nothing to show. People will judge Thaksin in the election. Repeated coups were staged to maintain establishment dominance. Most know but prefer to blame Thaksin. 

Is Thaksin coming back to stand in the next election? You have insider information?

Please share.

[Golden Triangle]

I know that a high percentage of TVF members hate the Shins with a passion, and I know relatively little about Thai politics, I am also aware that I have no influence whatsoever over the direction that the country takes politically, I also no fan of the junta but I will agree with the minority of posters who say that should there ever be a free and fair election and the Shins are involved in it, it would be a landslide victory for them. 

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, tryasimight said:

Is Thaksin coming back to stand in the next election? You have insider information?

Please share.

No silly. He still win by proxy. Get it?

[bendejo]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thaksin tweets his concern for fellow Thai citizens

 

Poor guy, so grief-stricken he can't sleep.

 

He doesn't trust anybody smart (outside of the family, that is).  Look at the buffoons who ran the Redshirts, those meetings they demanded with Abhisit were on the level of satirical political comedy, they couldn't agree to anything unless the boss sez so.  But seeing how things are shaping up around the globe these days is it possible Jatuporn could be the next elected PM?  And if so, how long till the next coup?

 

 

Edited September 20, 2017 by bendejo

[yellowboat]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

Whilst he vigorously attacks the Junta for not being elected

They weren't

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

But saying Thaksin was "removed by a coup" sounds so much better than mentioning he was illegally occupying a caretaker role at the time!

Most of the world doesn't buy the sterile, Thai version of events anyway.  The truth is the Army loves being in charge so they have coups all the time.  That is why most do not pay much attention to that caretaker garbage.  The army usurped power from an elected government.  That is what is called a coup.   

 

The Chinese people now enjoy more opportunities and freedoms than Thais, so please continue to tell us why martial law is such a great thing in Thailand. 

[halloween]

2 hours ago, yellowboat said:

They weren't

Most of the world doesn't buy the sterile, Thai version of events anyway.  The truth is the Army loves being in charge so they have coups all the time.  That is why most do not pay much attention to that caretaker garbage.  The army usurped power from an elected government.  That is what is called a coup.   

 

The Chinese people now enjoy more opportunities and freedoms than Thais, so please continue to tell us why martial law is such a great thing in Thailand. 

"the sterile, Thai version of events" is otherwise known as historical fact, often twisted unrecognisably for propaganda purposes. It is an inconvenient fact that the "most popular man in Thai politics" after his re-election in 2004 was forced to call a snap election 14 months later because of public outrage and unrest concerning his corruption, and the results of that uncontested election caused him to resign 2 days later.

 

Far better to claim he was ousted by a coup, even if it was 5 months later. Failing that, claim an elected government had been overthrown, even though the last election had been declared void by the CC and undemocratic by the head of state.

[worgeordie]

Its his loyal followers that should be worried about him,

With only camel meat to eat,and camel milk to drink (according to him),

what a bullshit artist anything for sympathy and publicity.

regards worgeordie

[yellowboat]

3 hours ago, halloween said:

"the sterile, Thai version of events" is otherwise known as historical fact, often twisted unrecognisably for propaganda purposes. It is an inconvenient fact that the "most popular man in Thai politics" after his re-election in 2004 was forced to call a snap election 14 months later because of public outrage and unrest concerning his corruption, and the results of that uncontested election caused him to resign 2 days later.

 

Far better to claim he was ousted by a coup, even if it was 5 months later. Failing that, claim an elected government had been overthrown, even though the last election had been declared void by the CC and undemocratic by the head of state.

So If one is to buy all that historical fact as fact,  the army stepping in 20 odd times, since 1932, was just divine intervention and not a coup.  Why does the army have do that?  Why not somebody like a judge take control until another election gets called?    Otherwise, it just looks like a coup to those unfamiliar with the Thai definition of the word. 

[billd766]

7 hours ago, yellowboat said:

They weren't

Most of the world doesn't buy the sterile, Thai version of events anyway.  The truth is the Army loves being in charge so they have coups all the time.  That is why most do not pay much attention to that caretaker garbage.  The army usurped power from an elected government.  That is what is called a coup.   

 

The Chinese people now enjoy more opportunities and freedoms than Thais, so please continue to tell us why martial law is such a great thing in Thailand. 

 

Actually most of the world doesn't know or even care about politics in Thailand.

 

Large areas of the world, the Caribean and the USA are more interested in the aftermath of hurricanes, the UK and the EU are more interested in Brexit, the USA, Russia, China, Japan and S Korea are far more interested in N Korea, ASEAN, Australia and New Zealand have their own problems.

 

Why would anyone in fact, care about Thailands politics as long as they can spend a holiday here fairly safely if they wish.

And NO the Army did not usurp power from an elected government as their was NO elected government to usurp it from.

 

The previous PM, Yingluck dissolved the government in December 2013 if you care to remember and became the caretaker PM and she was removed by the courts.

 

The Red shirts were shooting the Yellow shirts and the Yellow shirts were shooting the Red shirts, the RTP as usual were nowhere to be seen, so who else had the power to stop the street fighting?

 

Try to understand that what was/is happening in Thailand is purely local and the real world doesn't care. There is nothing that any farang living in Thailand can do to affect the outcome no matter how the heart bleeds.

 

You can fill pages of posts about how you and how the rest of the world feels, true or not, but ONLY the Thais can change it.

 

None of us farangs can do a damn thing about it so you either accept things as they are or rant and rave for nothing.

 

Can you truly say that all of your posts here on TVF have changed anything in Thailand? I know none of mine have.

[Jonah Tenner]

9 hours ago, bendejo said:

 But seeing how things are shaping up around the globe these days is it possible Jatuporn could be the next elected PM?  And if so, how long till the next coup?

Jatuporn has to get out of gaol first. If he is ever elected PM i give it two hours before the coup...

[yellowboat]

8 hours ago, billd766 said:

Can you truly say that all of your posts here on TVF have changed anything in Thailand? I know none of mine have.

It is not within me to remain silent. 

Edited September 20, 2017 by yellowboat

[halloween]

10 hours ago, yellowboat said:

So If one is to buy all that historical fact as fact,  the army stepping in 20 odd times, since 1932, was just divine intervention and not a coup.  Why does the army have do that?  Why not somebody like a judge take control until another election gets called?    Otherwise, it just looks like a coup to those unfamiliar with the Thai definition of the word. 

You don't have to "buy" it, it is easily researched, but the truth doesn't sit well with some factions. I am only familiar with the coups of the last 20 years, and I cheered both of them. This country seems ill-prepared for democracy, there is no tradition of public service, altruism or even shame at publicly committing crimes, ineptitude, or negligence. Have you ever heard of a Thai politician recusing himself from a vote because of a conflict of interest? Which is more likely, recusal or proposing a law to directly benefit himself, family and other government officers?

Have you ever heard of a Thai politician resigning over corruption claims, or even self-suspension until they are heard? Which is more likely, resignation or appointing a relative or crony to a high police position to avoid prosecution?

Even worse, there is a large section of the population who don't even see this as a problem. You don't even have to tie a real carrot to the stick, you can lie about an imaginary carrot, and they will trot off to the polling booth, happy to vote for someone they know lies, cheats and steals. After all, in 6 months they'll all be rich, there will be huge pay rises for everyone, and rice will be a valuable commodity.

 

BTW a judge? Would you like to review your earlier posts on the Thai legal system and an unelected PM.

 

Edit to add: If you think there is nothing wrong with Thai democracy why did our last government have as PM a political novice running things for a fugitive criminal, one DPM a drunken fool flaunting a pink Bentley without paying import duty, and another DPM deeply involved in a well known illegal land deal to benefit the criminal pulling the strings?

Edited September 21, 2017 by halloween

[moondoggie]

19 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

No. Neither is their a rule that I can't post the coincidental fact that we get many new posters who join then immediately praise and defend the Shins.

 

Anyone suggesting she was a good PM must have some unique standards and judgement. But up to them!

The economy of Thailand was the best its ever been. When Mr Thaksin was prime minister.

[moondoggie]

14 hours ago, halloween said:

"the sterile, Thai version of events" is otherwise known as historical fact, often twisted unrecognisably for propaganda purposes. It is an inconvenient fact that the "most popular man in Thai politics" after his re-election in 2004 was forced to call a snap election 14 months later because of public outrage and unrest concerning his corruption, and the results of that uncontested election caused him to resign 2 days later.

 

Far better to claim he was ousted by a coup, even if it was 5 months later. Failing that, claim an elected government had been overthrown, even though the last election had been declared void by the CC and undemocratic by the head of state.

My wife from Loi et, Says the country was much better when he was pm. He helped the poor alot. And got them free medical treatment. He sounds like a good man to me.

[yellowboat]

58 minutes ago, halloween said:

BTW a judge? Would you like to review your earlier posts on the Thai legal system and an unelected PM.

Does that mean we are in agreement ?  You find the courts less than competent and lacking in altruism ?

 

I see Thailand as a direct democracy, a bit better than mob rule, which may evolve into something more representative if nurtured.   From you comments, your expectations are fairly high.  You really do not feel Thailand needs a military law and could evolve into something better over time ?  Things you mentioned about Thailand are some of things we use to say about Taiwan 30 years ago.  Taiwan evolved.   

 

Most luxury cars, even pink ones, incur a 300% tax.  That might be a law, but it is not a just one. 

 

From a business person's view point, the junta and its mentality is hampering Thailand's development in favor of the entitled and government inc.   Not uncommon to get a sales pitch for visas when passing through immigration.  A bit of a turn off. 

 

Not sure why you would be happy to see Thailand fall behind China over a pink Bentley and a poorly devised rice scheme.  

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, moondoggie said:

My wife from Loi et, Says the country was much better when he was pm. He helped the poor alot. And got them free medical treatment. He sounds like a good man to me.

 

But you don't mention the corruption that caused him to call a snap election after 14 months; those murdered during the war on drugs under his tenure; those murdered in the South during his tenure; his illegal seizing of power after having resigned following dissolving parliament;

 

Sounds like a good man to you? 

 

ps. the medical treatment is called the ThB 30 for a reason

[Baerboxer]

5 hours ago, moondoggie said:

The economy of Thailand was the best its ever been. When Mr Thaksin was prime minister.

 

Yeah, he and his family and clan certainly substantially increased their personal wealth 

[Baerboxer]

23 hours ago, yellowboat said:

They weren't

Most of the world doesn't buy the sterile, Thai version of events anyway.  The truth is the Army loves being in charge so they have coups all the time.  That is why most do not pay much attention to that caretaker garbage.  The army usurped power from an elected government.  That is what is called a coup.   

 

The Chinese people now enjoy more opportunities and freedoms than Thais, so please continue to tell us why martial law is such a great thing in Thailand. 

 

 

There are indeed certain posters who vigorously attack the Junta because it wasn't elected whilst trying to ignore that Thaksin also seized power without an election which led directly to a coup. Just like the insist on pretending both Thaksin and Yingluck were removed by a coup rather than noting the former was illegally occupying the position and the latter was removed by a court for an illegal act. 

Historical fact is fact. Deny if you wish. They do and will be pleased to have persuaded someone else.

 

But what do facts matter - just call it garbage when it suits and dismiss it. The hypocrisy of those who pretend the Shins aren't habitual law breakers who only interest is self enrichment and establishing unfettered power for themselves.

 

Of course they should say the elected government, in caretaker mode whilst preparing for elections, was removed by a military coup. But that truth would mean having to admit that the reality regarding Thaksin and Yingluck. Can't face that reality so pretend otherwise. How ironic.