Rising Islamophobia In Thailand Irrational And Dangerous: Scholars

[Dumbastheycome]

It   must  be  disappointing   for the  media  not  to be able to  confirm  that the recent  attrocity  in  LA  was  the  result  of   Islamic terrorism . On scale  of  damage in terms  of  life   and injury it  is  no less  terrorism.

Which gives to the  lie  to  the  generalized Islamic terror  propaganda.

 

[CG1 Blue]

3 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I  have  no  need to  follow  your   link. Yes, of course  there  are   sites  that  provide  " convincing  evidence "  of  the  evil  of   many  radical people including  those  associated  with  Islam.

My  issue  with  your  initial  assertion was  the  typical  generalization  that  a minor  number  of  radical extremists  in any  particular  location   portrays  the  entirety  of  the  population  of  that  location as  being  totally  of  like  mind.

 

 

 

There is a problem there.  If you get the time to listen you'll even hear many British Pakistanis talking about the problem. They want our help, and they want change. But if the problem remains covered up it will never be addressed.

No link necessary - just look it up on youtube.  These are real people calling in to a radio show.

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

There is a problem there.  If you get the time to listen you'll even hear many British Pakistanis talking about the problem. They want our help, and they want change. But if the problem remains covered up it will never be addressed.

No link necessary - just look it up on youtube.  These are real people calling in to a radio show.

The  problem  you   state  is  what?  That they  are  sick and  tired  of  the   image  of  islam   as  being   dangerous?

 

[CG1 Blue]

1 minute ago, Dumbastheycome said:

It   must  be  disappointing   for the  media  not  to be able to  confirm  that the recent  attrocity  in  LA  was  the  result  of   Islamic terrorism . On scale  of  damage in terms  of  life   and injury it  is  no less  terrorism.

Which gives to the  lie  to  the  generalized Islamic terror  propaganda.

 

They are still investigating.  So far they don't know what the motivation was.

I hope the Islam apologists don't take too much pleasure from events in Las Vegas (not LA)

[CG1 Blue]

2 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The  problem  you   state  is  what?  That they  are  sick and  tired  of  the   image  of  islam   as  being   dangerous?

 

Let's leave it there. If you're not going to read the comments in this thread, or follow up on the source I provided (which you asked for), it's obvious your mind is made up.

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

This might be because you are in complete denial that those prejudices exist in most Muslim cultures.  You're refusal to even consider this possibility makes people leap to the other extreme, out of frustration.

 

Or others are in denial they are found in all cultures. 

 

I condemn the act, not entire faiths and/or cultures. 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

They are still investigating.  So far they don't know what the motivation was.

I hope the Islam apologists don't take too much pleasure from events in Las Vegas (not LA)

For pity’s sake...who exactly are you implying would take pleasure from this atrocity?

Edited October 4, 2017 by Bluespunk

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

They are still investigating.  So far they don't know what the motivation was.

I hope the Islam apologists don't take too much pleasure from events in Las Vegas (not LA)

Yes,  Los  V,  not  LA.  And   yet  the  desire  to   find  an Islamic  link   is  the  priority?

That  is  the   sickening  blind  focus  of   both  politics  and   media   now.  If   not  then then  the   motivation  will  not  be  lucratively   newsworthy .

 

[Bluespunk]

19 minutes ago, saakura said:

Oh sorry, i thought you were a radical islam preacher. 

“Thought” isn’t the word I’d use...

[pigeonjake]

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Yes,  Los  V,  not  LA.  And   yet  the  desire  to   find  an Islamic  link   is  the  priority?

That  is  the   sickening  blind  focus  of   both  politics  and   media   now.  If   not  then then  the   motivation  will  not  be  lucratively   newsworthy .

 

this makes me laugh,, ISIS the day after tried to say he had converted to islam

it was them who was trying to take the blame,!!!!

[mauGR1]

8 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

They are still investigating.  So far they don't know what the motivation was.

I hope the Islam apologists don't take too much pleasure from events in Las Vegas (not LA)

Nobody with a heart can take any pleasure from innocent people being killed.

but as you say in another post, there's a problem in Pakistan, then would you please acknowledge that there's a problem in US, in Thailand, in Europe, or in the whole world ?

Hatred is not the solution, it just makes the problem bigger.

[Dumbastheycome]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Let's leave it there. If you're not going to read the comments in this thread, or follow up on the source I provided (which you asked for), it's obvious your mind is made up.

Where  is  it  that   my  mind  is   made  up  ?

I am  simply  saying  that  the  focus   should   be  on the  extremist element   rather  than the propagandist  percieved   source as  a generalization.

In  fact    I  suspect   that  that  generalization  has  been  instilled for reasons  as  evil  if  not  more so!

 

    

[Dumbastheycome]

3 minutes ago, pigeonjake said:

this makes me laugh,, ISIS the day after tried to say he had converted to islam

it was them who was trying to take the blame,!!!!

And   who  really  is   "  ISIS"?  Another  Al  Qaeda?   Another   fiction  made  to seem  real   Hah!

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

For pity’s sake...who exactly are you implying would take pleasure from this atrocity?

People desperate to use this as part of their argument that non-muslims can be just as evil (which we all know anyway).

And people screaming that the media must label this as terrorism (which is probably isn't), otherwise they are being discriminatory.

 

Sorry, a bit insensitive I know, but this is what I'm seeing all over social media.

[saakura]

LOL. Some closet muslims here should be proud to 'come out' if they really beleive in it.

[CG1 Blue]

22 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

as you say in another post, there's a problem in Pakistan, then would you please acknowledge that there's a problem in US, in Thailand, in Europe, or in the whole world ?

Yes, I acknowledge that too.  I used Pakistan as an example because there is clear evidence of the problem there (and with a large number of British Pakistani men).

[Dumbastheycome]

18 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

People desperate to use this as part of their argument that non-muslims can be just as evil (which we all know anyway).

And people screaming that the media must label this as terrorism (which is probably isn't), otherwise they are being discriminatory.

 

Sorry, a bit insensitive I know, but this is what I'm seeing all over social media.

Terrorism is   the  act  of   causing  terror.

Social  media is  in the  business  of  attracting  viewers to  be  exposed  to  commercial prompts.

Populist  issues   get  viewers.

Those   viewers  are  influenced   by  extremists of  opinion.

And  the  opinion fashions  the  illusions/ delusions of truth..

To  the  point  where  even an individual   can  be  villified  or  revered regardless  of  ethic

Think  about  it !

 

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Terrorism is   the  act  of   causing  terror.

Social  media is  in the  business  of  attracting  viewers to  be  exposed  to  commercial prompts.

Populist  issues   get  viewers.

Those   viewers  are  influenced   by  extremists of  opinion.

And  the  opinion fashions  the  illusions/ delusions of truth..

To  the  point  where  even an individual   can  be  villified  or  revered regardless  of  ethic

Think  about  it !

 

ok

[Bluespunk]

41 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

People desperate to use this as part of their argument that non-muslims can be just as evil (which we all know anyway).

And people screaming that the media must label this as terrorism (which is probably isn't), otherwise they are being discriminatory.

 

Sorry, a bit insensitive I know, but this is what I'm seeing all over social media.

As far as I have read on this thread, no one is making such repulsive gain from this incident. 

 

 

[piersbeckett]

On 10/2/2017 at 6:23 PM, Orton Rd said:

Phobia is an irrational fear. Being afraid of a religion whose holy book states you should be killed as an unbeliever is completely rational, especially as so many of it's followers take it so seriously.

Well said, that man and there's rational faith and irrational faith; Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths are examples of irrational belief systems; the natural human fear of being alone, of oneness, at root, is what keeps them together; even Buddhism which attempts to unlock the mystery of human suffering by focusing on the individual's power of transcendence gets hijacked but the Buddhist idea is secular and not irrational.

    

IMV the Muslims or at least their leaders harnessed this natural human fear to the best effect combining a heavy penalty, sometimes the ultimate for an apostate (seriously fear inducing), male domination (strongly favoured by men and always achievable), religious war (again favoured by young men with god on their side), female subjugation (strongly favoured by men and keeps them on top, as it were), indoctrination disguised as 'education'  (very strong dogma and very regular adherence to ritual such as joining in prayer), extreme punishments for dissenters and last but not least, all under 'the word of god' (there's a 'book' so it must be true and the punishments, subjugation, war etc., correct).

 

 

Edited October 5, 2017 by piersbeckett
punctuation error

[Airbagwill]

22 hours ago, jeab1980 said:

You are so wrong on so many levels its painful to read.Why bescuse in laughing so much it hurts. Stupid is indeed.

QED

[Airbagwill]

20 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Slightly self-righteous don't you think; suggesting that those who oppose your view don't know what they're talking about?

QED

[holy cow cm]

Plain and simple as has been already mentioned. When the mosque comes they come. They only live amongst themselves for the most part and even though freedom of religion is fine, theirs is an ugly one that noise pollutes, takes over areas and makes previous asthetic looking neighborhoods into an unatractive ugliness. Khon Kaen people have every right to push a mosque and their followers away. Freedom of religion in this case should be denied as the local people don't want it. They don't want it or those of people and I fully agree.

[piersbeckett]

On 10/2/2017 at 9:49 PM, SOUTHERNSTAR said:

I have no problem with them spreading through out Thailand but then they must allow all religions freedom in the deep south. They should allow the people they drove out from villages to return and allow freedom of religion. This however is not possible and thus we face a one side situation where they want freedoms they deny others. For those Islam lovers on here do your research what happened in the deep south to non muslim villagers.

Excellent point - if it's fairness and toleration that is the goal; with rights come responsibilities.

[Bluespunk]

“Ignorance and prejudice are the handmaidens of propaganda. Our mission, therefore, is to confront ignorance with knowledge, bigotry with tolerance, and isolation with the outstretched hand of generosity.” 
― Kofi Annan

[holy cow cm]

It is not Islamophobia, plainly the dislike of them in groups or masses. One or two I have no problem with, if they are somewhat normal looking as a Thai Muslim. Here their taken over areas seem to be in or near the mosque and that is the big concentration you will find them. It continually expands so not capped at anything which it should be. It is a suppressive religion and not tolerant of anything on the outside and also within their confines for most of any matter. They seem to enjoy it, but most big majority on the other side of the fence would wish it had not ever came around and they went back to the area they came from. I am Pro Khon Kaen on ostracizing it and them. They don't belong there and are not wanted in big numbers. Mosques are problematic head aches. This I my opinion, so the one combative atheist person need not reply to my comments, take it to someone else who cares about you.

 

 

[CG1 Blue]

Agree, I meant other social media outlets such as facebook

[metisdead]

Troll posts have been removed. 

[Dumbastheycome]

11 hours ago, piersbeckett said:

Well said, that man and there's rational faith and irrational faith; Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths are examples of irrational belief systems; the natural human fear of being alone, of oneness, at root, is what keeps them together; even Buddhism which attempts to unlock the mystery of human suffering by focusing on the individual's power of transcendence gets hijacked but the Buddhist idea is secular and not irrational.

    

IMV the Muslims or at least their leaders harnessed this natural human fear to the best effect combining a heavy penalty, sometimes the ultimate for an apostate (seriously fear inducing), male domination (strongly favoured by men and always achievable), religious war (again favoured by young men with god on their side), female subjugation (strongly favoured by men and keeps them on top, as it were), indoctrination disguised as 'education'  (very strong dogma and very regular adherence to ritual such as joining in prayer), extreme punishments for dissenters and last but not least, all under 'the word of god' (there's a 'book' so it must be true and the punishments, subjugation, war etc., correct).

 

 

The  interpretation/translation  of the  words  of  any  book  can  be misquoted   or  changed to  suit  intent.

It has  been  explained  to me  that the  original  correct  meaning of the  words  in the  Koran that  apply  to  defence  of  the  right  to  that  faith  say that  it is  permissable  to  kill anyone  who  attempts  to  deny  your  right.

That is  in contradiction  to  popular  propaganda  that  followers  of   Islam  have the right  to  kill  non  believers.

A  convenient   piece  of propaganda  that  suits   current  politics  and  extremists  alike !

So  much  so that  non  Muslims  are  being  encouraged  to the  point of  religious   genocide.

Are  we   already  back  to   All  Hail  Hitler ????????????

[Neeranam]

11 hours ago, piersbeckett said:

Well said, that man and there's rational faith and irrational faith; Muslim, Christian and Jewish faiths are examples of irrational belief systems; the natural human fear of being alone, of oneness,

    

Who on earth are you to tell half the people on this planet they are irrational, more if you include Hindus.? At least these people promote humility.

This statement is irrational, do you know what Fideism means?