Three students killed, 48 people injured in school bus crash

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, chickenslegs said:

They were using their phone to record the CCTV footage of the incident that was being played back on a monitor.

Seems logical, doesn't it?

[Rc2702]

Now I understand why they need the tanks.  To convert them into school buses and protect the children.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

7 hours ago, Cranky said:

Good news is the driver died.  Hope that bit of the report is accurate, the rest, like the comments, is guesswork. 

 

Sadly, much like nutters in the States shooting up the place, this news is becoming desensitised due to the frequency of it.  

 

So many similarities between the two issues.  Drivers not vehicles - People not guns that do the killing.  Both totally avoidable, or at least reduceable (is that even a word?) with some common sense laws.  Both seemingly uncontrollable for the foreseeable future.

No, it is not a word, you would need to say "Both totally avoidable, or both can at least be reduced ...... or both, at least, can be reduced" ...... not that it matters much, but you did ask !!

Edited November 16, 2017 by Eloquent pilgrim
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[Eloquent pilgrim]

34 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Now I understand why they need the tanks.  To convert them into school buses and protect the children.

Is that an attempt at humour  ........ people have lost their lives and families are grieving, inappropriate does not even start to cover your crass comment 

[Rc2702]

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Is that an attempt at humour  ........ people have lost their lives and families are grieving, inappropriate does not even start to cover your crass comment 

When you think about it for a moment and judge what is going on on these roads. It is not humour. It would make sense.

[Russell17au]

What type of human being would be happy because the "GOOD NEWS IS THE DRIVER DIED, HOPE THAT BIT OF THE REPORT IS ACCURATE"

[atyclb]

8 hours ago, Cuchulainn said:

Lack of traffic lights, eh?

 

Lack of care, courtesy, consideration, forward thinking (in fact, any thinking), awareness, judgement and on and on and on.................................... 

 

controversial italian surgeon canavero need not look any further than thailand for recipient shoulders and bodies to receive his planned head transplants.

 

https://www.google.com.vn/amp/observer.com/2017/04/dr-sergio-canavero-head-transplant/amp/

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, Russell17au said:

This just shows you lack of brain matter, because 100 extra police from Australia & NZ would not know where to start. unregistered bikes, unlicensed riders, unroadworthy vehicles and the list goes on. You would need atleast 1000

 

100 would be better than what happens now, which is???????? bugger all

[Russell17au]

Well there has been another accident involving school transport

 

The students' pickup had reportedly been modified into a transport vehicle.

Police said the accident happened at 5.50pm on the Nakhon Sawan-Phitsanulok Road in Tambon Thanong's Moo 6 village, Thalay district.

Police said the pickup, which was transporting students home after school, was hit on the right side, sending it crashing into a tree on the roadside.

The impact caused the students to be thrown out of the vehicle onto the road.

[Russell17au]

22 minutes ago, Artisi said:

100 would be better than what happens now, which is???????? bugger all

Thailand is too big for just 100. They would never be able to educate enough Thai's to make any difference. To achieve that you would need at least 1 at every police station to train the RTP on how to do their job properly.

[lee68]

18 hours ago, Fireyfish said:

RIP ... yet again .... so where are the pics of the ute, if the bus hit it, and there is no evidence of that in that footage surely the ute sustained damage and one of the onlookers would have taken pics/video on their smart phones  ... looks like the driver had a death nap .... I could see no evidence of braking or steering !

Edit ... actually the video in the above link shows a bit more detail and there does appear to be a dark shape possibly a ute on the left as the bus approaches 

Theres pictures on the thai news channels of the smashed up truck

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Rc2702 said:

When you think about it for a moment and judge what is going on on these roads. It is not humour. It would make sense.

So rather than say, yes, sorry, that was not a very smart comment, you try and justify your extremely poor taste by saying it would make sense to convert military tanks into school buses ........ are you feeling okay ??

Edited November 16, 2017 by Eloquent pilgrim

[Russell17au]

32 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

So rather than say, yes, sorry, that was not a very smart comment, you try and justify your extremely poor taste by saying it would make sense to convert military tanks into school buses ........ are you feeling okay ??

it is just as bad as the person that said "Good news the driver died" How sick in the head is that person and what type of a role model would they be for children

[MyFriend You]

16 hours ago, realfunster said:

The video in the link does not clearly show the reason for the accident but you can see the bus swerving, cross the divider into and across the oncoming lanes and go into the ditch.  Lucky it didn’t hit traffic coming the other way.

 

There isn’t any obvious traffic impeding the bus on its side of the road, although I thought I could possibly make out a vehicle attempting a u-turn upper middle-right, which may have edged out into the oncoming lane, causing the bus to swerve. 

 

Whether a factor in this case or not, these types of u-turns on major highways are extremely dangerous to both lanes of traffic with turners cutting across high-speed roads and also the occasional turning queues backing up into the fast lane on their own side. They should be phased out. They may have been ok 20-30 years ago with less and slower traffic but are no longer fit for purpose. 

I watched this over and over and could barely see a vehicle coming out making a turn, the bus.........then made some crazy left, right, left swerves onto the oncoming lane, then into the ditch - looks like an over compensation on the bus drivers side - yes, you could say the pickup caused the accident, but the bus driver definately over compensated and instead of braking.   RIP and condolences to al the kids, they were just out having a good time and their day ended in tragedy.

 

Almost forgot, what are the odds of a Police Car being right there when the bus ran off the road??

Edited November 16, 2017 by TunnelRat69

[MyFriend You]

7 hours ago, CGW said:

I find this a very dangerous behavior here that no action or very little mention is made off. Many "hog" the outside lane, often driving very slowly, mainly because they lack the driving skills to use more than one lane! They in turn back traffic up behind them which leads to impatience................. we all know what that can lead too!

In a nutshell, many drivers here are totally incapable of "driving" a vehicle, how can anything change with these idiots on the roads?

An older Thai Lady told me once, she has been driving her car for 22 years, has never had a road test, or training and really can't see very well long distance without glasses.  I asked her how do you drive then??  She said she 'Points the car, where she wants to go", and other cars just got out of her way.  She is an educated woman, teaches in Chulalongkorn Uni Hospital - and drives a tank  - a powder blue 1995 Mercedes without a single dent on it.     (I tried to buy her car but she won't part with it)

[heybuz]

i think a defensive driving course before attaining a licence may be one part of the solution. only part I'm saying.

[Khun Paul]

Bus speeding ,

Driver incompetence and not paying attention.

Poor road design and lack of signage

Lack of any enforcement

The list is endless, despite all the rules and laws ( mainly ignored ) the biggest problem in Thailand regarding Roads and Driving is the HUMAN element , and they do bugger all about that it seems.

 

[Keesters]

23 hours ago, tracker1 said:

And the carnage continues on a daily basis with no help from authorities from the top down only talk !

 

Hot air and bull s**t is something Thailand is not short of.

 

 

[Airbagwill]

11 hours ago, kwak250 said:

But surely addressing "bad driving" is a Damn good start !

Unfortunately the concept of bad driving is largely subjective.... Even you have used inverted commas.

Unless the authorities address all the issues no solution will be significant.

For tbe last 50 years around the world 5 main tenures of road safety have been internationally recognised and applied and where they have been applied the success has been clearly demonstrated. If Thailand adopts this then they will see a progressive and sustained reduction in road casualties.

But first they have to understand the problem from a scientific perspective, and therefore for whst it really is, not a series of purely subjective and emotive ramdom comments.

[Keesters]

13 hours ago, Russell17au said:

This just shows you lack of brain matter, because 100 extra police from Australia & NZ would not know where to start. unregistered bikes, unlicensed riders, unroadworthy vehicles and the list goes on. You would need atleast 1000

 

Why do you pick on motorbikes. Just as many unregistered cars and unlicensed drivers I'd guess.

[Happyman58]

12 hours ago, Russell17au said:

Education is where it must start. Educate the Thais that the way they drive and disobey the road rules is wrong and dangerous and that they should respect the lives of their own family and not kill them. I think I must be dreaming if that sounds like it would work. I'll have to go back on my medication, I'm not thinking clearly

Are we talking here this happened because of no traffic lights? Even if they had traffic lights the Thais pay no attention to them They just drive right through red lights right in front of the cops and nothing happens Out of the 55 taken to hospital 10 will prob die But they will not count them as being killed on Thai roads another 10 perm disabled soon forgotten about Very sad  and then u get the minister saying we have a new plan  The only plan you have to think of minister is getting the cops to do there job  Oh big joke again made myself laugh Go back to your office and check your bank balance your pay has just gone in 100,000 Baht per week that more important

[Blackheart1916]

Travelling at 86km/h and turning?

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Keesters said:

 

Hot air and bull s**t is something Thailand is not short of.

 

 

Actually the world's hub, and you know how important the hub syndrome is to LOS. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

Unfortunately the concept of bad driving is largely subjective.... Even you have used inverted commas.

Unless the authorities address all the issues no solution will be significant.

For tbe last 50 years around the world 5 main tenures of road safety have been internationally recognised and applied and where they have been applied the success has been clearly demonstrated. If Thailand adopts this then they will see a progressive and sustained reduction in road casualties.

But first they have to understand the problem from a scientific perspective, and therefore for whst it really is, not a series of purely subjective and emotive ramdom comments.

“Unfortunately the concept of bad driving is largely subjective” … not really, if you are driving in excess of the speed limit, driving in the wrong direction on the wrong side of the road, overtaking on a corner, bend or crest of a hill, where there is restricted vision of oncoming traffic, ignoring traffic signals, making a U-turn where there is a NO U-TURN sign, etc, it is bad driving. There is nothing subjective about it whatsoever, and these are a few of the examples that I witness every day.

 

“For tbe last 50 years around the world 5 main tenures of road safety have been internationally recognised and applied” …… but you fail to tell us what they are, so not very helpful

 

As for random comments, you seem to have mastered the art remarkably well. You do however, need to turn on your spell check “tbe” …. “whst” … “ramdom”

[digger70]

There is Nothing wrong with millions of crossings without Traffic Lights,,That's just an excuse for incompetent Drivers,same as blaming the road /rain,brakes.Like one said,,,One can't fix Stupid,,,

[kcpattaya]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Nakhon Ratchasima Governor Wichien Channothai said the road where the accident occurred was recently widened from two lanes to four and vehicles were travelling faster now.

 

20 hours ago, webfact said:

Wichien said there were five accidents at the same location on Wednesday alone.

Let's make it six lanes and watch how we can grow the number of accidents on 1 day?!
Sit and wait policy.

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, kcpattaya said:

 

Let's make it six lanes and watch how we can grow the number of accidents on 1 day?!
Sit and wait policy.

Always helpful, widen the road so the incompetent can now drive faster and cause more mayhem. 

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Unfortunately the concept of bad driving is largely subjective.... Even you have used inverted commas.

Unless the authorities address all the issues no solution will be significant.

For tbe last 50 years around the world 5 main tenures of road safety have been internationally recognised and applied and where they have been applied the success has been clearly demonstrated. If Thailand adopts this then they will see a progressive and sustained reduction in road casualties.

But first they have to understand the problem from a scientific perspective, and therefore for whst it really is, not a series of purely subjective and emotive ramdom comments.

Would you like to list the 5 main tenure for our benefit - thanks. 

[lvr181]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

“Unfortunately the concept of bad driving is largely subjective” … not really, if you are driving in excess of the speed limit, driving in the wrong direction on the wrong side of the road, overtaking on a corner, bend or crest of a hill, where there is restricted vision of oncoming traffic, ignoring traffic signals, making a U-turn where there is a NO U-TURN sign, etc, it is bad driving. There is nothing subjective about it whatsoever, and these are a few of the examples that I witness every day.

 

“For tbe last 50 years around the world 5 main tenures of road safety have been internationally recognised and applied” …… but you fail to tell us what they are, so not very helpful

 

As for random comments, you seem to have mastered the art remarkably well. You do however, need to turn on your spell check “tbe” …. “whst” … “ramdom”

OMG here we go again. "..driving in excess of the speed limit..."

 

Wrong! It is driving too fast for the road, traffic and weather conditions. Regardless of the 'speed limit', whatever it may be. A mandatory speed limit doesn't give you the right to travel at that speed (and 'punishment' should take place if above that limit) you must still only travel at a safe speed according to the road, traffic and weather conditions. It is not rocket science folks. 

[DLang]

Were the seatbelts removed or tied up for 'good luck'?