Govt ‘mistakes to blame for declining popularity’

[hansnl]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Interesting philosophical question, but it is not about governments "in general" (if I dare say), but about the failure of this particular autocratic and self-appointed government.

In fact it is about governments in general, not only the Thai government of today.

Surely the preceding government also merited the question?

Can you name one government in the whole world that is truly democratic?

[JAG]

You really misunderstand where this administration is coming from, they have the wolf by the ears and daren't let go.

Yes, riding on a tiger!

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[Cadbury]

2 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

 Easy to say when the plant isn't being built next to you. 

I quite agree. But would the same complainants be so vocal about a wind farm or a monstrous turbine being built next door to them? They probably would. In reality no one likes any power generating system (including the renewable kind) being on their doorstep.

All people ever want is a non intrusive and environmentally friendly wire leading into their house providing cheap and reliable energy to their homes 24 hours a day. Even in the hours of darkness and windless days and nights.

People don't want to know about where power comes from so long as it is out of sight and out of mind but provided it is always there when they flick a switch. 

 

[Colabamumbai]

Oh no must be a mistake.

[TKDfella]

Well, I guess  that's what you get when you have a Junta, they aren't diplomats and they are used to giving orders, not taking them. To a General, public opinion is both unimportant and unnecessary and often snaps decisions are required. That's what generals are for, that's what the Army is for. If someone is on the attack a debate or asking the public would result in defeat. Trying to use that process to govern a country is bound to lead to mistakes.

[Becker]

21 minutes ago, hansnl said:

In fact it is about governments in general, not only the Thai government of today.

Surely the preceding government also merited the question?

Can you name one government in the whole world that is truly democratic?

What a silly attempt at deflection. This thread is about the declining popularity of the present military junta that illegally took power in a coup back in 2014, remember? You know, the junta that keeps postponing elections. An article in today's Bangkok Post points out that since the deadline for registering political parties is only a month away and with no easing of the ban on political activities it's now clear that elections almost certainly cannot take place in 2018.

 

Edited December 4, 2017 by Becker

[nausea]

19 minutes ago, JAG said:

Yes, riding on a tiger!

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My point exactly.

[YetAnother]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The main weaknesses of the government were its lack of understanding on many issues, the failure to holistically analyse situations, its own agenda pushing policy without considering better options, and the lack of public participation at many levels of policy planning, said Pracha Koonnathamdee, a lecturer at the Faculty of Economics at Thammasat University.

all true; i would add the remarkable unintelligent,rude,arrogant public presence of the leaders

[Eric Loh]

His popularity will made a sharp turn for the better if he just lift the political ban, gazette the date for next year election, renounce further use of article 44 and transfer his deputies Prawit and Anupong to inactive posts. 

[halloween]

1 hour ago, aonangkrabi said:

Who is here the badly informed person Mr. Halloween? If the earth is to survive, coal is the first fossil fuel to be discarded.

You have won that award with your Chicken Little response.

[phutoie2]

3 hours ago, JAG said:

Eisenhower was elected to lead the government as a former General. He didn't appoint himself whilst serving as a General, and in the process cancelling an election.

Strange comment, most with at least an oz of noggin would know that. I cannot recall too many coups in US history. 

[Eric Loh]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The main weaknesses of the government were its lack of understanding on many issues, the failure to holistically analyse situations, its own agenda pushing policy without considering better options, and the lack of public participation at many levels of policy planning,

He could have hide all his misgivings and incompetency with a more cordial friendly demeanour but alas he couldn't given do that and have to exhibit the worse side of himself by being a complete insensitive bully.   

[Jonmarleesco]

Mistakes = oft-correctable errors. The junta government, however, has taken the buss out of blunderbuss.

[Jonmarleesco]

41 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

His popularity will made a sharp turn for the better if he just lift the political ban, gazette the date for next year election, renounce further use of article 44 and transfer his deputies Prawit and Anupong to inactive posts. 

'... transfer his deputies Prawit and Anupong to inactive posts.' I thought Prawit already was inactive - talking apart. 

[Jip99]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He could have hide all his misgivings and incompetency with a more cordial friendly demeanour but alas he couldn't given do that and have to exhibit the worse side of himself by being a complete insensitive bully.   

 

 

 

You are still not a fan then........

[CanuckThai]

[nausea]

IMHO the current administration has two choices - go for the Chinese model or the Iraq model. The French -liberté, égalité, fraternité model is something peculiar to Western democracies.

[pattayadon]

Here it is..........

 

National security has been the junta’s number-one reason for staying in power, involving the enactment of several measures to limit public assembly and freeze political parties’ activities for the sake of “social order”.

 

Tells it all!

[YetAnother]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

have caused a major decline in its popularity

numbers are not provided and likely not yet available to support this; however i believe it to be true due to the harsher language being employed recently by govt pundits and critics

[Teacherduck]

Mistakes, how about MASSIVE BLUNDERS by complete morons

[tinca tinca]

wow are these people actually waking up???

[Media1]

They never had any credibility to begin with. They simply soar a opportunity and begged for the ok. There old men with not many km left on the clock. The whole thing was staged from day 1. They played there cards lied and tricked where ever needed. 

Now the parties over and they know it. There never was going to be any political democracy. That means a choice to choose lol. So they invent stories and crap like bombs and guns. You know we know. KARMA will get you.

[300sd]

"While the junta government might have made several attempts to ensure its long-term grip on power, even after elections via specially designed parliamentary mechanisms, it was eroding its own legitimacy, critics said."

 

What is legitimate about a Junta government?

[Ossy]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Govt ‘mistakes to blame for declining popularity’

By Wasamon Audjarint, 
Pratch Rujivanarom 
The Nation 

 

 

Policy blunders, failure to consider others’ opinions responsible for low ratings: critics

Attasit Pankaew, a Thammasat University political science lecturer, said the junta government should have learned to “act politically” as they had stayed in power for more than three years already. . . . . “While the authorities have made special measures and rules to ensure its control of power, dealing with the public is a state-of-the-art skill that should be treated politically rather than legally,” Attasit said.

 

'Failure to consider others’ opinions' . . . that's it in a nutshell. They haven't a sodding clue ABOUT PEOPLE.

And just look at the state of him - having a lilac day, today. What on earth goes on in the mind of this big girl's blouse?

Edited December 4, 2017 by Ossy
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[maxcorrigan]

5 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

I don't think we can really compare Prayuth with Eisenhower. At the very least, the latter was a real general. 

Yes true, and he earned his stripes in real wars where you might get shot at, something Uncle Tuu does'nt know about, or ever experienced, on top of that Ike did'nt give himself a blanket amnesty for all time, so that he could not be held to account for anything he did/done at any time!

And we won't even mention art.44! 

[mikiea]

7 hours ago, tracker1 said:

Hmmmm

red sky in morning sailors take warning ......

[mikiea]

16 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said:

Yes true, and he earned his stripes in real wars where you might get shot at, something Uncle Tuu does'nt know about, or ever experienced, on top of that Ike did'nt give himself a blanket amnesty for all time, so that he could not be held to account for anything he did/done at any time!

And we won't even mention art.44! 

well said .....

[FitnessHealthTravel]

They're not going to like this. They don't handle criticism well at all.

[harada]

27 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said:

Yes true, and he earned his stripes in real wars where you might get shot at, something Uncle Tuu does'nt know about, or ever experienced, on top of that Ike did'nt give himself a blanket amnesty for all time, so that he could not be held to account for anything he did/done at any time!

And we won't even mention art.44! 

It will be interesting to see how iron clad his self amnesty is when those waiting for their turn at the trough run out of patience and Thai history repeats itself once again.

[Essaybloke]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Interesting philosophical question, but it is not about governments "in general" (if I dare say), but about the failure of this particular autocratic and self-appointed government.

They seem only to regard 'uniformed' and 'general' opinions no matter how un-widely held.