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Plenty of bullets, still no ballots

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EDITORIAL

Plenty of bullets, still no ballots

By The Nation

 

Perceiving threats everywhere, the panicky junta is grasping at straws in a bid to cling to power


The ruling junta should stop contriving ploys to delay the election now that its tenure in power is running out. The blundering diversions and dubious excuses to cling to authority only weaken the country and hurt its people.

 

Most recently, the military has stretched credulity with the claimed discovery of a cache of war weapons, which it said posed a severe threat to national security. Even if the weapons do exist and really were found hidden away in Chachoengsao’s Bang Nam Priao district, the majority of the public appears unwilling to accept that they represent any clear danger to security.

 

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha, his deputy Prawit Wongsuwan and Army chief Chalermchai Sitthisat hastily declared that the weapons discovery last week meant it was still too early to lift restrictions on organised political activity. Perhaps they spoke too hastily, because their credibility is being widely questioned.

 

The weapons, they said, were linked to the red-shirt movement, implying that the group is arming in preparation for attacks on political targets. Thus, they said, restraints on the country’s political parties and activists must remain in place. 

 

The weapons cache, according to a formal police complaint filed by Colonel Burin Thongprapai of the junta’s Supreme Command, had some connection with Jakrapob Penkair, the exiled former spokesman for Thaksin Shinawatra’s government, and Lt-General Manas Paorik, the former deputy commander of Third Army Region.

 

He named them and three others – Wattana Sapwichian, Chaiwat Polpho and Somjet Khongwattana. He accused all five of possessing military-grade weapons and racketeering. The weapons found in Bang Nam Priao reportedly came from the same batch as the weapons the five allegedly distributed to red shirts during the 2014 protests.

 

Burin’s complaint overrode an earlier claim that linked the weapons cache to Wutthipong “Ko Tee” Kachathamakul, who’s been labelled an extremist militant red shirt. Wutthipong fled to Laos after the 2014 coup and his current whereabouts are unknown.

 

Unconfirmed reports a few months ago suggested he’d been abducted and killed. Jakrapob disappeared from public long before the coup. He was on Facebook on Monday denying the weapons allegation against him, which he dubbed fake news. And Manas supposedly turned himself in to face earlier charges in 2014 and has since been free on bail.

 

The weapons discovery and blame attributed to the red shirts came as political parties plead to be allowed more room to organise for the election. The parties are of course quite within their rights to seek that freedom, and even the junta-driven constitution ensures them leeway to prepare for polls.

 

There is a timeline on the legal books indicating when they can begin calling meetings and recruiting and registering new members. Now, with the weapons discovery, the junta is considering an amendment to the law to extend that timeline. The amendment in itself would take considerable time. Lifting the ban on political activities would take no time at all.

 

We don’t want more delays and diversions. The generals are not qualified to run the country. Thailand has a sophisticated economy, but under military rule, commodity prices have risen and poverty has worsened. The junta’s popularity, based on the single three-year-old achievement of restoring peace to the land, is in rapid decline. Let’s see the soldiers back in the barracks – until there is a genuine threat to national security. 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/opinion/30333373

 
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Life is easy for them! When they want to delay election, they just need to plant weapons and accuse red shirts!

40 minutes ago, webfact said:

We don’t want more delays and diversions. The generals are not qualified to run the country. Thailand has a sophisticated economy, but under military rule, commodity prices have risen and poverty has worsened. The junta’s popularity, based on the single three-year-old achievement of restoring peace to the land, is in rapid decline. Let’s see the soldiers back in the barracks – until there is a genuine threat to national security. 

 

Kudos to the Nation for another good editorial.

 

The quoted passage above makes the point nicely, so I don't have much to add. The military is in a lot of danger of being perceived, by it allies and foes alike, as a pack of power-happy office abusers. It is a serious and dangerous thing when a nation's military loses the people's respect.

 

Time to go back to the barracks before it is too late. 

 

Edited by Samui Bodoh
lack of coffee

More like ‘plenty of bull**** still no ballots’

 

If the junta are accountable to no one, they can do what they like. That’s why this doesn’t work. 

Frightening...

 

Kudos to the Nation for another good editorial.

 

The quoted passage above makes the point nicely, so I don't have much to add. The military is in a lot of danger of being perceived, by it allies and foes alike, as a pack of power-happy office abusers. It is a serious and dangerous thing when a nation's military loses the people's respect.

 

Time to go back to the barracks before it is too late. 

 

Some might say that they have been so considered since the events of 2014, when they sat back and allowed a relatively small number of thugs, led by a disgruntled opportunistic politician, who knew he would never win an election as long as he had a fundamental orifice, prevent an entirely constitutional election; one endorsed (a fact often omitted) by the highest authority in the land, to which they swear and proclaim total allegiance. Having allowed (encouraged and assisted?) All that, they then "spontaneously" through "frustration" proclaimed a coup and installed themselves in power as an unelected junta, which shows no sign of restoring the democratic process.

 

That, in my book, is a pretty thorough definition of a pack of power hungry power abusers!

 

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28 minutes ago, JAG said:


Some might say that they have been so considered since the events of 2014, when they sat back and allowed a relatively small number of thugs, led by a disgruntled opportunistic politician, who knew he would never win an election as long as he had a fundamental orifice, prevent an entirely constitutional election, one endorsed (a fact often omitted) by the highest authority in the land, to which they swear and proclaim total allegiance. Having allowed (encouraged and assisted?) All that, they then "spontaneously" through "frustration" proclaimed a coup and installed themselves in power as an unelected junta, which shows no sign of restoring the democratic process.

That, in my book, is a pretty thorough definition of a pack of power hungry power abusers!

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I can't even begin to disagree with your post; I share the sentiment completely and always have.

 

However, the sad truth is that there were many who supported the coup, and there are some still who do. I think that they were/are very, very wrong, but there it is. 

 

As much as I wish it were different, the military is still a power in Thailand and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. My take is to try to put the idea out there that it is in the best interests of the military itself to leave.

 

A long, drawn out battle to push them out would be bad for Thailand, a better way is to nudge them out with the least damage.

 

Edited by Samui Bodoh

 
I can't even begin to disagree with your post; I share the sentiment completely and always have.
 
However, the sad truth is that there were many who supported the coup, and there are some still who do. I think that they were/are very, very wrong, but there it is. 
 
As much as I wish it were different, the military is still a power in Thailand and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. My take is to try to put the idea out there that it is in the best interests of the military itself to leave.
 
A long, drawn out battle to push them out would be bad for Thailand, a better way is to nudge them out with the least damage.
 

Oh yes, I absolutely agree. I have first hand experience of the violent break up of a country (Former Yugoslavia) and I have seen its effects upon a society. I don't want that.
Unfortunately I don't see this bunch responding to nudges, public or private. The eminence which previously nudged governments, both elected and junta, in a direction which benefited the kingdom and it's people's has sadly gone. This was a safety valve which prevented explosion on a number of occasions. This bunches only reaction to pressure is to screw down the lid tighter on the pressure cooker. The lid (the junta) will inevitably be blown off. I just hope that the pressure cooker (the nation) is not fractured beyond repair in that process.

One other point, I rather suspect that if / when there is a struggle to push them out, it won't be that long drawn out.
Whilst on paper they appear to hold all the cards, their main source of strength is a large ramshackle and virtually undeployable barely trained army of reluctant conscripts.
They may well just go home.
It could all end in a scuttle for the airport, Miss Pinky costumes abandoned in the dust en route!

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In a country where corruption rules the Junta is doing what comes naturally, keeping their snouts in the trough.

 

Why would they simply remain a mechanism to clear the way for others to get their snouts in, as they have so many times in the past.

I'm not suggesting the Military brass has been missing out, but being in power is the real payday.

 

This is their day in the sun and they will bask until deals are done or other interventions cause them to allow an election or transfer of power (hopefully non violent) to another group. A group who will inevitably get their snouts in.

11 minutes ago, JAG said:


Oh yes, I absolutely agree. I have first hand experience of the violent break up of a country (Former Yugoslavia) and I have seen its effects upon a society. I don't want that.
Unfortunately I don't see this bunch responding to nudges, public or private. The eminence which previously nudged governments, both elected and junta, in a direction which benefited the kingdom and it's people's has sadly gone. This was a safety valve which prevented explosion on a number of occasions. This bunches only reaction to pressure is to screw down the lid tighter on the pressure cooker. The lid (the junta) will inevitably be blown off. I just hope that the pressure cooker (the nation) is not fractured beyond repair in that process.

One other point, I rather suspect that if / when there is a struggle to push them out, it won't be that long drawn out.
Whilst on paper they appear to hold all the cards, their main source of strength is a large ramshackle and virtually undeployable barely trained army of reluctant conscripts.
They may well just go home.
It could all end in a scuttle for the airport, Miss Pinky costumes abandoned in the dust en route!

Sent from my KENNY using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

To use your expression; Oh, I absolutely agree. :smile:

 

I will add my voice to yours, especially in the second paragraph. I am constantly stunned by the assumption made that the military is a unified force. Respectfully to all who comment, the country is (very roughly) split down the middle politically, why would anyone assume that the military isn't? And if a coup is successful, why wouldn't other officers start to think that another one might also be successful (see Thai history)?

 

Political change IS coming to Thailand. I can't say for certain exactly what that change will be, but the status quo isn't really possible for much longer. And I really, really want it to be peaceful...

 

 

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

To use your expression; Oh, I absolutely agree. :smile:

 

I will add my voice to yours, especially in the second paragraph. I am constantly stunned by the assumption made that the military is a unified force. Respectfully to all who comment, the country is (very roughly) split down the middle politically, why would anyone assume that the military isn't? And if a coup is successful, why wouldn't other officers start to think that another one might also be successful (see Thai history)?

 

Political change IS coming to Thailand. I can't say for certain exactly what that change will be, but the status quo isn't really possible for much longer. And I really, really want it to be peaceful...

 

 

 

The political split in the military is more likely predominately across it's middle.

 

However there are formations that can be relied upon to maintain their overall "unity".

 

(One way or.....the other).

 

 

 

Edited by Enoon

Another ten years ,things will be okay,The Junta have not the slightest wish to give up power.

2 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Political change IS coming to Thailand. I can't say for certain exactly what that change will be, but the status quo isn't really possible for much longer. And I really, really want it to be peaceful...

 

 

 

The "status quo" disappeared, with great ceremony, very recently.

 

 

10 minutes ago, marko kok prong said:

Another ten years ,things will be okay,The Junta have not the slightest wish to give up power.

I just wonder who will be most concern with the growing power of the military - the people, politicians or the royals. 

3 hours ago, JAG said:


Oh yes, I absolutely agree. I have first hand experience of the violent break up of a country (Former Yugoslavia) and I have seen its effects upon a society. I don't want that.
Unfortunately I don't see this bunch responding to nudges, public or private. The eminence which previously nudged governments, both elected and junta, in a direction which benefited the kingdom and it's people's has sadly gone. This was a safety valve which prevented explosion on a number of occasions. This bunches only reaction to pressure is to screw down the lid tighter on the pressure cooker. The lid (the junta) will inevitably be blown off. I just hope that the pressure cooker (the nation) is not fractured beyond repair in that process.

One other point, I rather suspect that if / when there is a struggle to push them out, it won't be that long drawn out.
Whilst on paper they appear to hold all the cards, their main source of strength is a large ramshackle and virtually undeployable barely trained army of reluctant conscripts.
They may well just go home.
It could all end in a scuttle for the airport, Miss Pinky costumes abandoned in the dust en route!

Sent from my KENNY using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

I share your views - more or less. Where I diverge from them is in the implementation. The new Head Boy needs the army, for all of it's arrogance and incompetence, and make no mistake, the old Head Boy was a disaster for Thailand, despite all of the obsequious (and false) hagiographies. The coming conflict has to be bloody and memorable. It has to be such that nobody in their right mind would contemplate undertaking another coup, no matter how tempting the trough and what the blandishments are from on high. A fundamental change in Thai society is required, and the pernicious and ubiquitous propaganda campaigns must stop (though it has to be said they exist everywhere - spent some time looking at British TV over the past several months, and the suggestion/misdirection which most people would probably not identify is just appalling).

 

Also in my opinion, if anyone is serious about seeing further the development of the Thai people (and God knows they need it), then it must be viewed against a backdrop of there being fundamental change, with those in power being disposed of a la Ko Tee, or exiled. In my opinion, there is no place for them in a civilised society, and it is by their own choice.

Edited by Sid Celery

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The generals are not qualified to run the country.

quite so; back when the coup was just rumor, a prominent military general said publicly 'we are not trained for it'

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Let’s see the soldiers back in the barracks – until there is a genuine threat to national security. 

I'm sure they will create any threat to national security if appropriate.

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