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Chances of selling QNAP Nas device

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I got a Qnap 4 bay nash drive with 4 3tb harddisks in them, but I am actually looking to buy a newer Qnap and put 4 6 tb harddisks in it. I wonder how much chance i would have to sell the old unit. 

 

Personally I doubt i can sell it as its expensive and a product not used by many people. 

 

I love the device but want a new one that is just a tad faster, i mainly use it for sickrage (downloads automatic tv shows) and sharing stuff on my network.I would just like to have more internal memory and more cpu speed as sometimes it affects the download speeds.

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13 minutes ago, Forkinhades said:

Why not just run the 2 units?

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That is my second option because I would not sell it real cheap of course. I am still looking a bit at my options to see what to do. Ever since I have been running sickrage on it I have been using the device more. 

 

I think your probably right because i would probably have to go real low to even sell it.. and for that kind of money its better to keep it. 

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14 minutes ago, Forkinhades said:

Indeed, kind of specialist area aswell.

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Yes it is and those qnap devices are not cheap.. they are around 30.000 (exclusive harddrives).. a 6tb harddisk is around 9000 bt .. (x4) so i am looking at quite an investment. That is why I am looking at my options.

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Finally bought the new QNAP, put the old one on Baht and sold. I must say the newer one is a lot faster. 

 

Lets see if i can sell the old one if not I can still use it. 

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NAS, any of those, are very expensive! I used them in the past and came to point that a NAS will be to slow, in fact much slower than the use of a Linux Server!

 

If you take the time and think about it, do a research about the HOW and WHAT to use, you'll find out very fast that the cost of a Linux based Server is less than a NAS and much faster in Data Transfer actions. Even a one (electronic) generation old machine would do the job, no need for latest hardware at all. Monitor, Keyboard and maybe Mouse is needed for initial installation only. Fine tuning afterward will be done from any computer/workstation on the LAN. Big advantage: Updates could easily be done at any time needed or to extend (impossible on NAS).

 

I use for several years now a Linux (Debian) Server with 8 HDD SATA3 at this moment running on RAID1 (mirroring). The cost of the machine without the HDD's is just as low ~THB12k with AMD Quad Core CPU, 16GB of RAM. Max used resources were below 40% with 5 workstations connected and accessed from the Internet at the same time too. Normally the used resource between 8 to 15% only. The case I use (an NZXT Case) I could place a total of 16HDD's. Also easy to add an extra and cheap PCI-e SATA3 Controller with 2 or more SATA3 Port and add more HDD's

 

To do such, you just need to know the How Too... for the config and use of a Linux Server.  And, if problems occur, those are much more easy to handle by yourself while on a NAS, what really you could do?! Using a Linux Server instead of a NAS, you'll also get a very fast Data Transfer (in & out) using the full speed of your LAN (mostly Giga Lan today)!  What Transfer Speed you really get on your NAS?

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14 hours ago, ArnonK said:

NAS, any of those, are very expensive! I used them in the past and came to point that a NAS will be to slow, in fact much slower than the use of a Linux Server!

 

If you take the time and think about it, do a research about the HOW and WHAT to use, you'll find out very fast that the cost of a Linux based Server is less than a NAS and much faster in Data Transfer actions. Even a one (electronic) generation old machine would do the job, no need for latest hardware at all. Monitor, Keyboard and maybe Mouse is needed for initial installation only. Fine tuning afterward will be done from any computer/workstation on the LAN. Big advantage: Updates could easily be done at any time needed or to extend (impossible on NAS).

 

I use for several years now a Linux (Debian) Server with 8 HDD SATA3 at this moment running on RAID1 (mirroring). The cost of the machine without the HDD's is just as low ~THB12k with AMD Quad Core CPU, 16GB of RAM. Max used resources were below 40% with 5 workstations connected and accessed from the Internet at the same time too. Normally the used resource between 8 to 15% only. The case I use (an NZXT Case) I could place a total of 16HDD's. Also easy to add an extra and cheap PCI-e SATA3 Controller with 2 or more SATA3 Port and add more HDD's

 

To do such, you just need to know the How Too... for the config and use of a Linux Server.  And, if problems occur, those are much more easy to handle by yourself while on a NAS, what really you could do?! Using a Linux Server instead of a NAS, you'll also get a very fast Data Transfer (in & out) using the full speed of your LAN (mostly Giga Lan today)!  What Transfer Speed you really get on your NAS?

Right now.. i got a blazing fast nas server so no complaints anymore. 

 

Linux is nice.. for people who know what they do a nas server especially one of QNAP any idiot can manage.


Though I had to admit I had a bit of a rights problem where SABnzb put files away as admin that were not accessable by others. But a good client of mine helped me sort that out in the end it was not really a linux or rights problem but a problem at the settings. Solved now too.

 

Id say NAS is better for consumers then linux as its still complex at times. But your right it will be cheaper. I wonder does your nass server allow taking you a drive out of a bay and replacing it as easy as a QNAP server (i doubt it does). I can on the fly without having to look what disk i need to take (its marked by the server) and put in a new one without problems. 

 

Also NAS servers are smaller then any computer you build (in general). Still if your handy its certainly worth to consider.

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6 hours ago, robblok said:

Right now.. i got a blazing fast nas server so no complaints anymore. 

 

Linux is nice.. for people who know what they do a nas server especially one of QNAP any idiot can manage.


Though I had to admit I had a bit of a rights problem where SABnzb put files away as admin that were not accessable by others. But a good client of mine helped me sort that out in the end it was not really a linux or rights problem but a problem at the settings. Solved now too.

 

Id say NAS is better for consumers then linux as its still complex at times. But your right it will be cheaper. I wonder does your nass server allow taking you a drive out of a bay and replacing it as easy as a QNAP server (i doubt it does). I can on the fly without having to look what disk i need to take (its marked by the server) and put in a new one without problems. 

 

Also NAS servers are smaller then any computer you build (in general). Still if your handy its certainly worth to consider.

NAS is expensive, as I wrote already, and limited with the possibility of upgrading. Most of the NAS Servers just using Linux, in most cases they're very limited too, just allows a few changes via their UI App. 

 

I tested before I changed to a self-built Linux (NAS-) Server, all available NAS Servers in Thailand for Speed and accessibility via the Internet, and had to find out, the max speed I was getting was just up to 30MBs while on a Linux Server I get up to 150MBs, means 5 times faster! And those tests were included 2 different QNAP Server, which is no the fasted, their speed was maxed 25MBs. 

All those tests were done on Giga-Bit LAN with Shielded CAT6 wire. OK, the newest QNAP maybe faster if is from the TSx59 Series (like TS459). 

 

But, is not all about the Read/Write Speed, it also depends on what RAID Level you'll use. I use RAID 5 with a total of 8 HDD's, with 4 HDD's I would just use RAID 1. 

 

RAID 1 has the advantage that you just could remove/change a drive on the fly, just RAID 1 is using mirroring, means you have just the 'half' space of the total. In RAID 5 you 'lose' the capacity of 1 drive without to lose data, and that drive could be changed on the fly. 

 

What many users of NAS Servers didn't realize is the difference between reading and writing speed! The reading speed is limited to a max of your LAN Speed, which is by Giga LAN 125mBs, and would be even more limited about the speed of the Switch and the Cable used. 

 

So, now I ask again: What is the real transfer speed you get on your NAS? Thanks.

 

   

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22 minutes ago, ArnonK said:

NAS is expensive, as I wrote already, and limited with the possibility of upgrading. Most of the NAS Servers just using Linux, in most cases they're very limited too, just allows a few changes via their UI App. 

 

I tested before I changed to a self-built Linux (NAS-) Server, all available NAS Servers in Thailand for Speed and accessibility via the Internet, and had to find out, the max speed I was getting was just up to 30MBs while on a Linux Server I get up to 150MBs, means 5 times faster! And those tests were included 2 different QNAP Server, which is no the fasted, their speed was maxed 25MBs. 

All those tests were done on Giga-Bit LAN with Shielded CAT6 wire. OK, the newest QNAP maybe faster if is from the TSx59 Series (like TS459). 

 

But, is not all about the Read/Write Speed, it also depends on what RAID Level you'll use. I use RAID 5 with a total of 8 HDD's, with 4 HDD's I would just use RAID 1. 

 

RAID 1 has the advantage that you just could remove/change a drive on the fly, just RAID 1 is using mirroring, means you have just the 'half' space of the total. In RAID 5 you 'lose' the capacity of 1 drive without to lose data, and that drive could be changed on the fly. 

 

What many users of NAS Servers didn't realize is the difference between reading and writing speed! The reading speed is limited to a max of your LAN Speed, which is by Giga LAN 125mBs, and would be even more limited about the speed of the Switch and the Cable used. 

 

So, now I ask again: What is the real transfer speed you get on your NAS? Thanks.

 

   

What kind of speeds i get depends on the files. That would be obvious would it not. So what do you want me to do copy from NAS to PC or PC to Nas and what kind of file. (1000s of 1kb files take a lot longer then 1 1mb file)

 

You tested all available NAS servers in Thailand.. you must be quite rich as qnap and others have quite a range of products and you said you tested them all ? 

 

NAS is certainly more expensive then a linux server. But with NAS you get an out of the box turnkey working solution. That is not what you have with Linux. Linux is good for people who know how to work with it. People who want an easy turnkey solution buy NAS. I am not sure I would want an other computer extra if I could have a really small NAS station. The smallest computers are still bigger then most NAS stations. 

 

My knowledge of linux is limited so can you install a linux machine without a monitor ? Or do you need to loan the monitor from an other computer and install it. Then once its done can you manage it without ever having the need of a monitor (again asking here as I am not a Linux guy) For a NAS you don't need an extra screen. (there are of course switches for this but should buy those too monitor keyboard switches so you dont clutter your desk with keyboards and mice if you have multiple computers there)

 

I got a client that is a real Wizard with Linux and he still prefers NAS drives over home build linux servers. So I guess opinions about it differ. 

 

I prefer a small NAS drive that is easy to install for people who have no linux experience. It comes pre loaded with all you need. I like how small it is and how with raid 5 I can much easier as in a computer remove and swap drives (unless you went through the trouble to get drive bays of course and that is possible as it would still be cheaper as a standard NAS drive.

 

Anyway let me know what you want me to copy and from where to where and what size of file. 

 

Between my directories on my NAS i get 400-600 Mb/sec

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NAS: Network Accessible Storage, the name NAS says it!

 

Related Speed of transfer is the speed from and to a NAS, NOT internal file transfers on the NAS itself!

 

I don't ask you for to do any transfers for to say how fast your real speed would be, as a normal computer user, special using Windows, you'll see the transfer speed in a window in Windows File Manager. 

 

Regarding the test of NAS Servers, I should have told all the different brands, sorry for that. That I could get all those devices is easy, I'm in the Computer Business.

 

All my computers have internal drive bays and also Remove Bays for either 2.5" and 3.5" drives.

 

And last, but not least, we're all imperfect humans and have to learn every day a lot of ......! That said, a simple fact is that many like to get more knowledge, others don't!

 

Regards.

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I just bought a new Synology NAS... and use the old as backup.

 

With the new NAS I use RAID 6, and with the backup NAS I have JBOD, which I only switch on from time to time to sync. I have connected the 2 NAS together with a CAT 6 cable, and have more than 100MB. The Limitation is on the network card in the NAS.

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On 3-3-2018 at 7:51 PM, ArnonK said:

NAS: Network Accessible Storage, the name NAS says it!

 

Related Speed of transfer is the speed from and to a NAS, NOT internal file transfers on the NAS itself!

 

I don't ask you for to do any transfers for to say how fast your real speed would be, as a normal computer user, special using Windows, you'll see the transfer speed in a window in Windows File Manager. 

 

Regarding the test of NAS Servers, I should have told all the different brands, sorry for that. That I could get all those devices is easy, I'm in the Computer Business.

 

All my computers have internal drive bays and also Remove Bays for either 2.5" and 3.5" drives.

 

And last, but not least, we're all imperfect humans and have to learn every day a lot of ......! That said, a simple fact is that many like to get more knowledge, others don't!

 

Regards.

Ok 1 GB file from nas to PC 113 m/bs I get exactly the same speed going back also 113 m/b sec..   Seems close to the limitation of 125 mb that is theoretical gigabit limit.

 

I like learning new things just don't think Linux is worth my time. I prefer to learn about things that are more useful for me. Mainly things for my business like new tax laws and so on. The one time off saving I get from being able to build a linux server is not worth the wasted time. I can make much more money keeping updated on the tax laws and doing normal work. So it does not only depends about wanting to get more knowledge its also if the knowledge is useful. I could start to study Spanish and never use it.. would it then be useful.. i guess not.. same goes for linux. 

 

In the end I did sell my Qnap NAS drive, i guess there are people who like turn key solutions. But I guess I was real lucky being able to sell it. 

 

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Fun thing, day after i sold it and forgot to mark it sold i got an other guy calling for it. So it seems the NAS drives are in demand. Of course i did sell it for a reasonable price 9.000 that is not expensive at all given the harddrives in it and so on. 

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I'm moving away from a dedicated NAS unit and am using my PC as a NAS device. Works better than the NAS units I've used in the past, especially as the bulk of my usage is over my home network.

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22 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

I'm moving away from a dedicated NAS unit and am using my PC as a NAS device. Works better than the NAS units I've used in the past, especially as the bulk of my usage is over my home network.

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It depends a bit on what you do if you setup one old PC with linux or something else as a server that will probably work a lot better then most cheap NAS units. The one I have now is as fast as any PC on the network and works good. I also got a WD hardisk NAS (cheaper) but does not work as good. 

 

It all depends what you want to pay and what you expect.

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42 minutes ago, Forkinhades said:

I tried Linux a few years back on an old pc. Kept on crashing, that then led me to buy a dedicated system. Could have been an hardware issue. Certainly worth another try.

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As a poster said.. a good NAS drive will be far more expensive then a Linux computer that is dedicated. If you got the skills it can save you a lot of money. I prefer a turnkey solution because I don't think its economical for me to learn Linux. Got other things that would make more money if I learned them. My time is limited (everyone's time is)

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