Stunned by massacre, U.S. students demand tighter gun controls

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Stunned by massacre, U.S. students demand tighter gun controls

By Zachary Fagenson and Katanga Johnson

 

Florida shooting survivor Emma Gonzalez called for tougher gun laws during a rally in Fort Lauderdale, saying 'to every politician who is taking donations from the NRA, shame on you.' 

 

PARKLAND, Fla. (Reuters) - Stunned by last week's bloodiest high school shooting in U.S. history, students across the country were mobilizing on Sunday for stronger gun laws, while Florida officials contemplated when to reopen their badly shaken school.

 

Students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where a former student is accused of murdering 17 people on Wednesday, joined others on social media to plan rallies, a Washington march and a national walk-out aimed at getting the attention of an adult population many say has failed to protect them.

 

"I felt like it was our time to take a stand, because, you know, we're the ones in these schools, we're the ones who are having shooters come into our classrooms and our spaces," said Lane Murdock of Ridgefield High School in Connecticut.

 

Murdock, a 15-old sophomore who lives 20 miles (32 km) from Sandy Hook Elementary School where 20 children and six adults were shot dead five years ago, drew more than 36,000 signatures on an online petition Sunday morning calling on students to walk out of their high schools on April 20.

 

Instead of going to classes, she urged her fellow students to stage protests on the 19th anniversary of the mass shootings at Columbine High School in Colorado.

 

Last week's massacre in Florida, which followed several other school shootings this year, inflamed the country's long-simmering debate between advocates for gun control and gun ownership.

 

Former student Nikolas Cruz, 19, faces multiple murder charges in the deaths of 14 students and three staff members, and the wounding of more than a dozen others, in a rampage that eclipsed Columbine as the country's worst mass shooting at a high school.

 

The charges can bring the death penalty, but prosecutors have not yet said if they will seek capital punishment.

 

School officials in Broward County said on Sunday that they were aiming to have staff return to the Douglas High School campus by the end of the week. The school system's announcement did not say when classes would resume.

 

Cruz was reported to have been investigated by police and state officials as far back as 2016 after slashing his arm in a social media video, and saying he wanted to buy a gun. Authorities, however, determined he was receiving sufficient support, newspapers said on Saturday.

 

In addition, the Federal Bureau of Investigation admitted on Friday that it failed to investigate a warning that Cruz possessed a gun and the desire to kill.

 

President Donald Trump lashed out late on Saturday at the FBI for missing signs that could have prevented the shooting, and accused the agency on Twitter of "spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the (2016) Trump campaign." 

 

The Douglas High School students are planning a "March for Our Lives" in Washington on March 24 to call attention to school safety and ask lawmakers to enact some form of gun control.

 

"You know, we're marching because it's not just schools, it's movie theatres, it's concerts, it's nightclubs," student Alex Wind said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "This kind of stuff can't just happen."

 

A rally is set for Tallahassee, the state capital, on Wednesday, where a lawmaker is seeking a legislative opening for a ban on the sale of assault weapons, including the AR-15 that Cruz is alleged to have used.

 

Democratic State Senator Linda Stewart, who represents Orange County, where 49 people were massacred at the Pulse nightclub in 2016, said she needs to gain support from three Republicans, who control the state legislature, to win passage of her measure but hopes to force a vote even if it fails.

 

"I think that putting them on record is what needs to be done right now," said Stewart, who said she plans to meet with Douglas High School students in the capital on Tuesday night.

 

(Writing and additional reporting by Peter Szekely in New York; Editing by Daniel Wallis)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-02-19

[FreddieRoyle]

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

[Emster23]

1 hour ago, FreddieRoyle said:

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

The "cooler heads" are all owned by NRA. Vast majority of Americans want sensible gun control. Just what does "stand in solidarity with the victims" mean? Along lines of "this is no time to talk about gun control"? Sorry, but this sort of mass shooting takes place every other day nearly in USA. The "cooler heads" have had years since Sandy Hook and nothing to show other than Trump axing Obama order on prohibiting mentally ill from owning gun.

Can you give us some valid sources about armed teachers in Texas? I was a teacher at high school in USA. If you had spent any time in a classroom (as a teacher or student) you might realize this is an insane idea.

[Becker]

2 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

Emotional tizzy?? What a disgusting description. Even for a man-child supporter that's low!

 

"BUT, this is why children are not given the vote."

And the election of the man-child should probably lead to some form of basic knowledge test before so-called adults are allowed to vote to prevent the "non-geniuses" from yet again making a mockery of an election.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Becker

[SpeakeasyThai]

3 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

'Emotional tizzy'

A crass coawardly and callous statemenst.aimed at  the victims and famies and friends of the deceased. I suggest you delete your post or at least reconsider re-wording it. Shameless post.

 

[Becker]

2 minutes ago, SpeakeasyThai said:

'Emotional tizzy'

A crass coawardly and callous statemenst.aimed at  the victims and famies and friends of the deceased. I suggest you delete your post or at least reconsider re-wording it. Shameless post.

 

The hardcore man-child supporters are per definition shameless. If they weren't they couldn't support the bag of pus.

[ELVIS123456]

Guns dont kill people - people using guns do.

Cars dont kill people - people driving cars do.

Trucks dont kill people - people driving trucks do.

Cigarettes dont kill people - people smoking cigarettes do.

 

The problem is people. Not guns, cars, trucks, cigarettes, etc etc etc.

The issue is to manage the people, not to hate the guns.

Making guns illegal will not solve the mass shooting problem in USA.

 

Controlling who has access to guns will help - a lot.

Not one mass shooting killer is an NRA member, that I am aware of, and 99.9% of legal gun owners do not commit mass shootings.

Most mass shooting killers had 'mental issues' that people knew about.

Bring back legal detaining and mental health assessment of anyone suspected of being a danger to others/themselves - that will help.

Making guns illegal will not help.

Having armed guards in schools will help. They have armed guards in banks, why not in schools.

 

Edited February 19, 2018 by ELVIS123456

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Emster23 said:

A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

Legalise drugs and prohib guns in the USA and there will be much less violence in Mexico and other parts of Latin America. 

 

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Not one mass shooting killer is an NRA member, that I am aware of, and 99.9% of legal gun owners do not commit mass shootings.

99.9% of these killers got their guns because NRA has been allowed to dictate the gun control politics in the USA.

 

99.9% of these killers got their either legal or illegal guns from the pool of previously legal guns.

 

99.9% of these mass shootings require combination of two things.

1. The person who shoots the gun

2. The gun.

 

Remove one of those from the equation and there is not mass shootings again. Apparently it's not allowed to euthanize every person who might have mental problems in the USA, therefore it's best to limit their access to the guns.

 

Edited February 19, 2018 by Guest

[twig]

2 hours ago, Emster23 said:

The "cooler heads" are all owned by NRA. Vast majority of Americans want sensible gun control. Just what does "stand in solidarity with the victims" mean? Along lines of "this is no time to talk about gun control"? Sorry, but this sort of mass shooting takes place every other day nearly in USA. The "cooler heads" have had years since Sandy Hook and nothing to show other than Trump axing Obama order on prohibiting mentally ill from owning gun.

Can you give us some valid sources about armed teachers in Texas? I was a teacher at high school in USA. If you had spent any time in a classroom (as a teacher or student) you might realize this is an insane idea.

If you were a teacher at a high school, seems you should be able to google some valid sources about armed teachers in Texas:

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

 

I think teachers should be allowed to be armed IF they want to be, but seems easier and more effective just to budget a couple of retired armed police or military guards for each school.

That would go a long way to solve this problem, just as armed guards solve it in many other situations.

 

China, for example, has "sensible gun control" that so many Americans want. So the lunatics attack schools with knives there. As usual for China, the cases that reach the news are the tip of the iceberg.

 

If you are an unarmed teacher, and know anything about knife attacks, I ain't sure you would prefer trying to avoid you and your students being butchered with a knife over being shot.

Good luck with "sensible knife control" for that! Will make life tough in the kitchen...

 

Mexico has already been mentioned, and many other countries with higher per capita homicides than the US have supposedly much more "sensible gun control", such as complete bans...

 

Myself, I would rather be able to have the option to shoot back, and have the school's armed guards as the first line of defense before that.

[Cory1848]

4 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

Insane. If you wish to live in a society where everyone and their drunk uncle is wandering around with loaded weapons, you’re welcome to move to Afghanistan or Somalia or some other place that’s been in perpetual chaos the past several decades. Teachers have other work than being “properly vetted and armed” and students should not have the distraction and edginess of being surrounded by armed adults, any one of whom could pop off without control in a moment of sudden anger, or being armed themselves. What kind of world are you really imagining here ?? Some sort of nostalgic hankering for the Wild West? No thank you.

[twig]

8 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

Insane. If you wish to live in a society where everyone and their drunk uncle is wandering around with loaded weapons, you’re welcome to move to Afghanistan or Somalia or some other place that’s been in perpetual chaos the past several decades. Teachers have other work than being “properly vetted and armed” and students should not have the distraction and edginess of being surrounded by armed adults, any one of whom could pop off without control in a moment of sudden anger, or being armed themselves. What kind of world are you really imagining here ?? Some sort of nostalgic hankering for the Wild West? No thank you.

 

Well, by the same "sane" logic, if you don't like the realities of US history of civilian gun ownership and Bill of Rights, you are welcome to move to many places where the local armed gang that rules over you reserves the right to own guns only for themselves.

 

Don't go to the US or live there, just as you wouldn't with Afghanistan or Somalia.

 

Those who stay in the US and want to keep their existing rights, shouldn't have to leave to keep them. Seems to me that those who don't like those existing rights should leave.

[Jonnapat]

Students v NRA , NO chance!

[Becker]

15 minutes ago, twig said:

If you were a teacher at a high school, seems you should be able to google some valid sources about armed teachers in Texas:

https://kxan.com/2018/02/16/north-texas-schools-with-armed-teachers-hope-to-protect-students/

 

I think teachers should be allowed to be armed IF they want to be, but seems easier and more effective just to budget a couple of retired armed police or military guards for each school.

That would go a long way to solve this problem, just as armed guards solve it in many other situations.

 

China, for example, has "sensible gun control" that so many Americans want. So the lunatics attack schools with knives there. As usual for China, the cases that reach the news are the tip of the iceberg.

 

If you are an unarmed teacher, and know anything about knife attacks, I ain't sure you would prefer trying to avoid you and your students being butchered with a knife over being shot.

Good luck with "sensible knife control" for that! Will make life tough in the kitchen...

 

Mexico has already been mentioned, and many other countries with higher per capita homicides than the US have supposedly much more "sensible gun control", such as complete bans...

 

Myself, I would rather be able to have the option to shoot back, and have the school's armed guards as the first line of defense before that.

Are you seriously claiming that the "killing potential" of a knife is the same as a semi-automatic rifle??? And unless you can come up with some credible links I am calling BS on your claim that we only "see the tip of the iceberg" in China. China has a sensible gun policy and it works so I love the fact that you bring it up.

 

No other country on earth has the number of mass killings the US has. The main reason? "With less than 5% of the world’s population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50% of the world’s civilian-owned guns, according to the Small Arms Survey from 2007."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/us-gun-control-ownership-violence-statistics

 

PS. When I see you gun lovers bleet on about "knife control" and such nonsense I ask myself why I even bother replying as the level of debate is so low there is hardly any point in joining in.

 

[twig]

4 minutes ago, Becker said:

Are you seriously claiming that the "killing potential" of a knife is the same as a semi-automatic rifle??? And unless you can come up with some credible links I am calling BS on your claim that we only "see the tip of the iceberg" in China. China has a sensible gun policy and it works so I love the fact that you bring it up.

 

No other country on earth has the number of mass killings the US has. The main reason? "With less than 5% of the world’s population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50% of the world’s civilian-owned guns, according to the Small Arms Survey from 2007."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/02/us-gun-control-ownership-violence-statistics

 

PS. When I see you gun lovers bleet on about "knife control" and such nonsense I ask myself why I even bother replying as the level of debate is so low there is hardly any point in joining in.

 

We know that anything else negative that happens in China is not reported unless it leaks out. That's one of the reasons that "The Great Firewall" is there!

Are you claiming that their statistics on knife or other weapon attacks would be honest and complete?

 

Are you claiming that when that lunatic at Sandy Hook caught those little kids in a classroom, after butchering the teacher with a large knife, he didn't have the "killing potential" to butcher too many of those kids?

 

The biggest "mass killings" throughout history to this day have been done by armed gangs called "governments". They just use euphemisms such as "war", "revolution", etcetera to force everyone to fund and participate in them, including by killing unarmed, defenseless folks. The US government gang is certainly guilty of that throughout its history to this day and age of drone mass killings...

 

The "semi-automatic" rifles were invented and developed for those mass killings by those same armed gangs through coercive funding.

So, if you really want to go to the historical roots, if there weren't any coercively funded governments to develop and use them in mass killings, guns other than for hunting would never have been even developed, because of lack in demand...

 

As for homicides per capita statistics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Looks like US is 93?

 

Most of the 92 countries above it have practically complete civilian gun ownership bans, and certainly no legal rights for civilians to carry guns for self defense:

http://www.gunpolicy.org/

 

[Cory1848]

34 minutes ago, twig said:

Well, by the same "sane" logic, if you don't like the realities of US history of civilian gun ownership and Bill of Rights, you are welcome to move to many places where the local armed gang that rules over you reserves the right to own guns only for themselves.

 

Don't go to the US or live there, just as you wouldn't with Afghanistan or Somalia.

 

Those who stay in the US and want to keep their existing rights, shouldn't have to leave to keep them. Seems to me that those who don't like those existing rights should leave.

1. If laws written hundreds of years ago are immutable, then why isn’t slave ownership, for instance, still a going thing? Laws are adjusted to suit the times; there’s plenty of precedent for amending the Constitution. When the founders drafted the Second Amendment, AR-15s did not exist, and those founders are surely turning over in their graves right now at the blindness of their descendants.

 

2. Further on that, I’ve read the Second Amendment a few times, and nowhere does it say that everyone gets a gun, including individuals on terrorist watch lists and people diagnosed with mental illness. But that’s where we are now, isn’t it -- the right of terrorists and certified lunatics to own guns is more sacrosanct than the rights of their victims.

 

3. A majority of Americans favor imposing at least some gun controls; most indeed would favor banning sales of assault rifles and other weapons whose only purpose is murder. In a democracy -- and I use that word with some hesitation, given that the United States is arguably no longer much of a democracy -- majority will is intended to hold sway, eventually. This ideal has yet to catch up to Congress and its susceptibility to bribery on the part of the NRA. But with any luck it will …

[DM07]

1 hour ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Guns dont kill people - people using guns do.

Cars dont kill people - people driving cars do.

Trucks dont kill people - people driving trucks do.

Cigarettes dont kill people - people smoking cigarettes do.

 

The problem is people. Not guns, cars, trucks, cigarettes, etc etc etc.

The issue is to manage the people, not to hate the guns.

Making guns illegal will not solve the mass shooting problem in USA.

 

Controlling who has access to guns will help - a lot.

Not one mass shooting killer is an NRA member, that I am aware of, and 99.9% of legal gun owners do not commit mass shootings.

Most mass shooting killers had 'mental issues' that people knew about.

Bring back legal detaining and mental health assessment of anyone suspected of being a danger to others/themselves - that will help.

Making guns illegal will not help.

Having armed guards in schools will help. They have armed guards in banks, why not in schools.

 

If I hear/read this moronic "cars= guns+- BS one more time, I am gonna scoop my eyeballs out with a rusty spoon!

<deleted> is so difficult to understand about CARS are not designed to kill, their purpose is NOT killing people!

Name ONE thing, that guns are made to do, other then shoot and kill someone/something?

And don't give me this BS of "a gun can frighten people into not doing a, b or c...

Why are people frightened by guns?

Because they are DESIGNED solely to maim and kill!

 

Jeeeeezusfroggingchrist!

[FritsSikkink]

5 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

RIP to all the victims, it will have been a terrifying experience never to be forgotten. BUT, this is why children are not given the vote. Responding in an emotional tizzy after such an experience is the mentality that leads us to lynch mobs. I believe(after all we have this drummed into our heads after each terror attack) that we must all stand together in solidarity with the victims, and let cooler heads decide on the legalities of weapon ownership. A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

 I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

The answer is already there in loads of other countries. You choose too ignore them because you love you guns more than the kids.

[than]

RIP for all victimes...

 

I'm not sure weapon control could be allow or work in US,  NRA and the US government (all side) justify that people have right to have weapons and be protect under the stupid amendment : The Second Amendment of the US constitution

[mtls2005]

It is very encouraging to see younger people taking the lead on this issue. It will be very hard for the President, the NRA and the right-wing media to shame or insult these young adults. But I'm sure they'll try.

 

 

As long as you're a member of a well-regulated militia you can have a musket, flintlock or heck I'll even spot you a canon.

 

https://www.ranker.com/list/firearms-in-1791/rachel-souerbry

 

In addition to hunting for game, and killing off the native American population, the founding fathers recognized the need to 'manage' the African "immigrant" population. So having an armed militia meant the State could more easily manage some "residents" in case they got all uppity and started demanding more than 3/5ths.

 

Even though this article is from 2012, it is still relevant today...

 

Battleground America

 

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/04/23/battleground-america

[Moonlover]

2 hours ago, SpeakeasyThai said:

A quick look south of the border shows us in Mexico guns are much more strongly prohibited and yet the country carries on in what seems like an eternal shootemup.

And where do those guns in Mexico come from. From what I have read, - north of the border in exchange for drugs!

 

The second amendment reads: 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'. 

 

America has the most powerful armed forces in the world and It no longer has a need for such a Militia. And even if there was a (perceived) need, I  do not see any connection between 'a well regulated Militia' and citizens being allowed to buy and own weapons almost as easily as a child, buying a toy. And I often think that that is a very  appropriate analogy.

 

Wake up America. Your belief in the 'right to bear arms' is as outmoded and inappropriate in the 21st century as is the belief in creationism or that radical jihadism is tantamount to 'doing gods work'.

 

 

[Cory1848]

13 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

And where do those guns in Mexico come from. From what I have read, - north of the border in exchange for drugs!

 

The second amendment reads: 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'. 

 

America has the most powerful armed forces in the world and It no longer has a need for such a Militia. And even if there was a (perceived) need, I  do not see any connection between 'a well regulated Militia' and citizens being allowed to buy and own weapons almost as easily as a child, buying a toy. And I often think that that is a very  appropriate analogy.

 

Wake up America. Your belief in the 'right to bear arms' is as outmoded and inappropriate in the 21st century as is the belief in creationism or that radical jihadism is tantamount to 'doing gods work'.

Well said. I think, however, that many gun-rights advocates in the US fancy themselves as potential members of so-called militias IN OPPOSITION TO some imagined future tyrannous government, which would have the country’s armed forces (FY2019 budget $886 billion) at its command. I can only respond to these would-be militia members: good luck!

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, twig said:

 

 

Those who stay in the US and want to keep their existing rights, shouldn't have to leave to keep them. Seems to me that those who don't like those existing rights should leave.

I take it that by this you mean the school children of America, who are being terrorized, which is what this OP is about.

 

2 hours ago, twig said:

Myself, I would rather be able to have the option to shoot back, and have the school's armed guards as the first line of defense before that.

Myself, I would rather not require the need for the option to shoot back

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Murdock, a 15-old sophomore who lives 20 miles (32 km) from Sandy Hook Elementary School where 20 children and six adults were shot dead five years ago, drew more than 36,000 signatures on an online petition Sunday morning calling on students to walk out of their high schools on April 20.

A real wake up would be to stage a walk out on the anniversary of every school shooting.

 

i just hope that when these children become adults, with a vote, that they remember this day, and these emotions, such that the next generation can influence their representatives... as the current encumbants seem ambivalent.

Edited February 19, 2018 by farcanell

[SpeakeasyThai]

3 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Guns dont kill people - people using guns do.

Cars dont kill people - people driving cars do.

Trucks dont kill people - people driving trucks do.

Cigarettes dont kill people - people smoking cigarettes do.

 

The problem is people. Not guns, cars, trucks, cigarettes, etc etc etc.

The issue is to manage the people, not to hate the guns.

Making guns illegal will not solve the mass shooting problem in USA.

 

Controlling who has access to guns will help - a lot.

Not one mass shooting killer is an NRA member, that I am aware of, and 99.9% of legal gun owners do not commit mass shootings.

Most mass shooting killers had 'mental issues' that people knew about.

Bring back legal detaining and mental health assessment of anyone suspected of being a danger to others/themselves - that will help.

Making guns illegal will not help.

Having armed guards in schools will help. They have armed guards in banks, why not in schools.

 

Armed guards in Schools! Is that where we have become? What  a truly sick society!

So incredibly sad.

Edited February 19, 2018 by SpeakeasyThai

[dunroaming]

9 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

I note several schools in Texas have teachers that carry firearms all the time. These schools have not had one of these events. Could this in fact be the answer? Properly vetted and armed teachers.

What a pathetic and screwed up world you want to live in Freddie if you think that is the answer.  But as astonishing as it is, you are not the only one who believes that in the land of the cowboys and pseudo macho men. 

[metisdead]

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[DM07]

Armed guards and teachers!

What could possibly go wrong!

Oh...wait...here is something: toddlers and children, caught in the crossfire of a shooter, a teacher and an armed guard!

Or this here: the armed guard, shooting the teacher, because he can not identify clearly, where the actual threat is located and just fires at a source of firing!

...with little children in the crossfire...again...

 

You dumb gun- nuts are so deluded and occupied with jerking off over your fantastic second amendment, you don't even see just how pathetic and ridiculous you are!

 

 

[stevenl]

4 hours ago, twig said:

(snip)

 

As for homicides per capita statistics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Looks like US is 93?

 

(Snip)

 

Western Europe is mostly around 1, USA almost 5. So 5x as many murders per capita compared to a reasonable benchmark. Unless you want to compare to Djibouti, El Salvador, Mexico etc. But I think western Europe is a more reasonable benchmark.

Edited February 19, 2018 by stevenl

[merlen10002]

6 hours ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Guns dont kill people - people using guns do.

Cars dont kill people - people driving cars do.

Trucks dont kill people - people driving trucks do.

Cigarettes dont kill people - people smoking cigarettes do.

 

The problem is people. Not guns, cars, trucks, cigarettes, etc etc etc.

The issue is to manage the people, not to hate the guns.

Making guns illegal will not solve the mass shooting problem in USA.

 

Controlling who has access to guns will help - a lot.

Not one mass shooting killer is an NRA member, that I am aware of, and 99.9% of legal gun owners do not commit mass shootings.

Most mass shooting killers had 'mental issues' that people knew about.

Bring back legal detaining and mental health assessment of anyone suspected of being a danger to others/themselves - that will help.

Making guns illegal will not help.

Having armed guards in schools will help. They have armed guards in banks, why not in schools.

 

It did in Australia , Gun kill people , take the guns away and it will stop . 

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Nationwide student/teacher strike morphing into nationwide general strike would be tremendously effective. Direct action from the people is needed to break the death grip of the gun lobbyists.