Kiwi/thai ... With A Bundle Of Joy On The Way ...

[Saigonite]

I am a New Zealand citizen. My Thai friend (former girlfriend - we are not married and never will be) is having my baby in 4 months or so. Because of her personal circumstances (I won't go into them here) she does not want a child, nor does she want to admit to anyone (especially her family!) that she has had one (to a farang! the shame!)

Anyway, I am fortunate that I live in a neighbouring Asian country and have the financial means to raise a child with the support of nannies and the like (pending finding a new partner ... I know this isn't ideal, but the child comes first!) ... SO .... resident experts ... what all do we need to do to have the child become a New Zealand citizen, and have me registered as the father? Any fellow kiwis have experience with this? Maybe more sensitively, I also want this lady (who is showing me a whole new and unattractive side to her personality!) to basically relinquish her rights to this child ... in case she has some change of heart later ... Any advice on this? Issues to consider? Can she be emilinated from the birth certificate? My intention is to offer her a financial settlement to ensure she looks after herself during the pregnancy, but also to basically ensure she signs whatever she has to so I can leave this country with my child (and never return!)

If anyone could point me to a good family lawyer, please drop me an e-mail.

Please refrain from moralising if you get the urge here ... I have found myself in a very difficult situation, and am trying to make the best of it ... with that observation, all advice is welcome!

(only joking about never returning ... you have to love LOS!)

[Boo]

I am going to link this to the visa section too ok, as you will get a better response there I think.

[kiakaha]

I am a New Zealand citizen. My Thai friend (former girlfriend - we are not married and never will be) is having my baby in 4 months or so. Because of her personal circumstances (I won't go into them here) she does not want a child, nor does she want to admit to anyone (especially her family!) that she has had one (to a farang! the shame!)

Anyway, I am fortunate that I live in a neighbouring Asian country and have the financial means to raise a child with the support of nannies and the like (pending finding a new partner ... I know this isn't ideal, but the child comes first!) ... SO .... resident experts ... what all do we need to do to have the child become a New Zealand citizen, and have me registered as the father? Any fellow kiwis have experience with this? Maybe more sensitively, I also want this lady (who is showing me a whole new and unattractive side to her personality!) to basically relinquish her rights to this child ... in case she has some change of heart later ... Any advice on this? Issues to consider? Can she be emilinated from the birth certificate? My intention is to offer her a financial settlement to ensure she looks after herself during the pregnancy, but also to basically ensure she signs whatever she has to so I can leave this country with my child (and never return!)

If anyone could point me to a good family lawyer, please drop me an e-mail.

Please refrain from moralising if you get the urge here ... I have found myself in a very difficult situation, and am trying to make the best of it ... with that observation, all advice is welcome!

(only joking about never returning ... you have to love LOS!)

The New Zealand Embassy in Bangkok has all the info you will need for your situation.

FOLLOW THIS LINK

[aussiestyle1983]

You might not find all the answeres you will need on here as this could become complicated. Maybe you will need some answeres from a lawyer. Good luck mate.

[kiakaha]

You might not find all the answeres you will need on here as this could become complicated. Maybe you will need some answeres from a lawyer. Good luck mate.

The link I posted in the previous reply has the EXACT answers for obtaining NZL citizenship by descent for the child with the OP as the father.

Now regarding some of the other issues :

As to the lady relinquishing the rights to the child, that is most definately a matter for a family lawyer in the jurisdiction where the child is born. Maybe she could put the child up for adoption and you could then adopt the child.

If the child is born in Thailand the mother will be on the birth certificate, no way out of that one...males can't give birth

Same with New Zealand. The mother is a mandatory entry on the birth certificate in all cases, the father can be optional (ie: some women dont know who the father is).

[Saigonite]

Hi - thanks so much for the replies, especially kiakaha for the link and advice!

I think all going well that it should be easy enough for me to obtain a NZ passport for my child after the birth ... just need to get the passport, etc., sorted. A few more questions:

(1) Does anyone have actual recent experience with obtaining a NZ passport for a child born in Thailand to a Thai mother where the couple are not married? Any problems/issues?

(2) Do I need to obtain a Thai passport for the child first?

(3) Assuming a NZ passport is obtained and the child is taken out of Thailand on that passport by the father, is there any risk that the mother can cause problems later? What do I need to do to manage that risk now (e.g. can she sign something giving up parental rights? Do I need a court order?) She doesn't want to keep the child, but I am trying to cover the risk that she changes her mind at some time in the next 15 years!!!

(4) Can I register a 100% foreign name for the child on the birth certificate?

Thanks guys!

[mpdkorat]

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(4) Can I register a 100% foreign name for the child on the birth certificate?

Thanks guys!

Yes you can

[Nawtilus]

Kiwi and Oz almost same same, except for some hereditory abnormalities on the kiwi side, but this may help a little...or not.

You should be in the country at the birth, not absolutely neccessary but is 100% better than not, get you name on the birth certificate, spelt correctly and make sure the hospital gets you the certificate in thai and english, ours did.

With the birth certificate, you should have no problem getting a kiwi passport, we got an oz one for our daughter no problems, she does not have a thai one first. the mother though does have to sign the documents, but does not have to be present to get it all happening, it is a nice touch to take the child to the embassy, not neccessary, but makes the girls all goohey and get the job done.

It certainly would be nice to offer the mother a cash donation to be helpfull withh all of this, just do not pay it until you have everything required.

1..not kiwi experience, but Oz and should be same same, we were/are not married and got it no problem.

2..no

3..you can get sole custody of the child, many threads of it in here, several people have done it on here. You will need lawyer though.

4..yes, we did.

If you can, might be nice to get the child a thai passport now, possibly more problems later, cannot find mother etc, have to explain it all again over and over, then it is the childs advantage and possibly yours to return to los one day.

[shadowy]

Hello, i have 3 half kiwi kids, one was born in nz, so no problems there, and 2 born here, pretty much all you have to do is get your passport translated into thai and then take it to get a stamp then get the thai birth cert with your name on it and take that to the embassy , now they changed it so that whenyou apply for citizenship for a kids you get the passport at the same time, need some pics of your ( they have to be perfect too or else they send them back) if you are born in nz, yo udnt need your birth cert ( they just look it up on the computer) you need to sign a paper saying your the dad( soon this with change to a dna test) pay the money 45 more for translation and then get the emvassy to send it, in my experience it makes it alot quicker.

The thai passport is easy take the kid and the birth cert and paper work in and pic it up the nxt day, i did this alone and couldnt speak thai so it wasnt to bad.

Hope this helped pm me if you wwant to know anything else

[soundman]

I am a New Zealand citizen. My Thai friend (former girlfriend - we are not married and never will be) is having my baby in 4 months or so. Because of her personal circumstances (I won't go into them here) she does not want a child, nor does she want to admit to anyone (especially her family!) that she has had one (to a farang! the shame!)

Anyway, I am fortunate that I live in a neighbouring Asian country and have the financial means to raise a child with the support of nannies and the like (pending finding a new partner ... I know this isn't ideal, but the child comes first!) ... SO .... resident experts ... what all do we need to do to have the child become a New Zealand citizen, and have me registered as the father? Any fellow kiwis have experience with this? Maybe more sensitively, I also want this lady (who is showing me a whole new and unattractive side to her personality!) to basically relinquish her rights to this child ... in case she has some change of heart later ... Any advice on this? Issues to consider? Can she be emilinated from the birth certificate? My intention is to offer her a financial settlement to ensure she looks after herself during the pregnancy, but also to basically ensure she signs whatever she has to so I can leave this country with my child (and never return!)

If anyone could point me to a good family lawyer, please drop me an e-mail.

Please refrain from moralising if you get the urge here ... I have found myself in a very difficult situation, and am trying to make the best of it ... with that observation, all advice is welcome!

(only joking about never returning ... you have to love LOS!)

G'day Kiwi,

A close friend of mine from aussie went through a very similar situation to this with a one night stand in BKK severeal years ago.

If you want to be legal parent to the child it is imerative your name appears on the child's birth certificate as well as the mothers. If your name is not on the BC, you will have to go to a thai court, & get the mother to sign a document that you are the legitimate father of the child at a latter point in time. (you may even have to have a DNA test done as my friend did)

Once you are the legal parent you will be able to go to the NZ embassy and make all the applications for citizenship & passport for NZ.

After these steps are in order you will be able to go to thai court and have sole custodianship of the your child signed to yourself, provided the mother agrees to sign the document. If she has no genuine regard for the child she will probably want some form of compensation, and beware, the negotiations for this compensation could take a very lengthy period of time. If she has genuine feelings for the child she may not agree to sole custodianship, & everything after that will be a negotiation, with the court not really being able to do anything unless, it can be proved to the court that the mother is not a suitable person to be looking after the child.

One positive note about the court; My friend has made several appearances at the family court, & in all respects, there was no desrimination towards him for being a foreigner. The court really appeared to treat both sides fairly, the case was always treated on the facts with respect to the Thai law.

Hope this is some help.

soundman