Swiss father finally allowed to see his children as he prepares to cremate his beloved son who fell from a balcony

[Scouse123]

Well,

 

I disagree and we are on opposite sides as to where the blame lies here but I know where I place it.

 

The fight between the foreign husband and Thai wife, we will not get to the bottom of, as too much of ' He said, she said ' It is commonplace for the kids to be used as bargaining chips in these situations.

 

Your view tends to be that she has suffered enough with the loss of one child and serious injuries to the others whereas mine is the point that it was negligence that caused this in a completely preventable accident had basic safeguards been in place for the children's welfare.

 

There are a number of foundations in place to help as I have said for those people who reach out for help as well as orphanages that take children on a part-time basis to give parents a break or to help with short-term difficulties. One thing is for sure, the grandparents are not suitable guardians.

 

https://www.ywamthai.org/childrenatrisk

 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GuupzU7-0coJ:www.pavenafoundation.or.th/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D36%26Itemid%3D84%26lang%3Den+paveena+foundation&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

 

http://www.thelighthousechildren.org/

https://www.sos-childrensvillages.org/where-we-help/asia/thailand

[n210mp]

Thank you for the reply Scouse 123

 

Its not a perfect world is it but  you have your point of view and I have mine. 

 

We will never know the true circumstances of where the blame that you feel should be prosecuted  lays.

 

In any event my empathy and sympathy is with that family who are suffering, no "guilty verdict" will make things better or improve the thoughts and feelings of those now suffering from  the guilt that they may well be  experiencing ,in that they could have done more than they did  in avoiding this tragedy.

 

 

[Scouse123]

5 hours ago, n210mp said:

Thank you for the reply Scouse 123

 

Its not a perfect world is it but  you have your point of view and I have mine. 

 

We will never know the true circumstances of where the blame that you feel should be prosecuted  lays.

 

In any event my empathy and sympathy is with that family who are suffering, no "guilty verdict" will make things better or improve the thoughts and feelings of those now suffering from  the guilt that they may well be  experiencing ,in that they could have done more than they did  in avoiding this tragedy.

 

 

 

 

Fair comments.

 

I also extend my condolences to all in the family who have suffered a loss in these dreadful circumstances.

[lensta]

20 hours ago, n210mp said:

Thank you for the reply Scouse 123

 

Its not a perfect world is it but  you have your point of view and I have mine. 

 

We will never know the true circumstances of where the blame that you feel should be prosecuted  lays.

 

In any event my empathy and sympathy is with that family who are suffering, no "guilty verdict" will make things better or improve the thoughts and feelings of those now suffering from  the guilt that they may well be  experiencing ,in that they could have done more than they did  in avoiding this tragedy.

 

 

Do you actually think that the grand parents feel any sense of responsibility for this incident? In an interview, does the grand father make any statements like "I wish we had stayed with the kids" or "I wish we had taken them to our room" Did he show any remorse for not properly taking care of the kids? Hell no!! His big statement was that the natural father was unfit because he smoked and went out to often and he would not allow the kids to live with their father. This is what  you are defending???

[n210mp]

7 hours ago, lensta said:

Do you actually think that the grand parents feel any sense of responsibility for this incident? In an interview, does the grand father make any statements like "I wish we had stayed with the kids" or "I wish we had taken them to our room" Did he show any remorse for not properly taking care of the kids? Hell no!! His big statement was that the natural father was unfit because he smoked and went out to often and he would not allow the kids to live with their father. This is what  you are defending???

 

 

I will respond to your post out of courtesy and say that you have completely missed the point that I was making .

 

 I am not defending anyone but to answer your point , the responses  of the leading players in this tragedy may well be misinterpreted by the professional reporting that we are so in awe of in Thailand. 

 

Just a few thoughts.

 

1. on the basis that this is a very  stressful time for them and   be "reacting" to possibly antagonising questions from the "Press"

 

2.  That the  so called verbatim  "reporting "by  the various agencies is not always  what it could be. (As most of us on this forum are well aware of)

 

3.  That there could be three different languages involved here  and from experience of having to communicate in just two languages from  a personal perspective   I know it can be difficult.

Sometimes the translation is possibly what we think we hear, rather than what we actually do hear, the real meaning is possibly somewhere in between, so I would not pay any attention to what was quoted either by the Grandfather or any of the people  who may well be very highly upset and stressed!

 

I will not be responding to any other posts on this thread as I think I have made my position very clear but would ask those who would wish to appoint blame, point the finger and generally call for those who they have already condemned to be hung drawn and quartered to allow me just a little poetic licence and add a further old saying that I am familiar with  and that is;

 

"let him/her who is without sin, cast the first stone".