Popular Post tomta Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 3 hours ago, robblok said: You seem to swallow the promises of criminals like Thaksin.. so what does that mean for you ? I knew Thaksin was bad . I recognized that the fact that he was voted in and that he had to cater to an electoral base meant that democracy could at least improve things. A lesser evil. NOt the magic mantra of "reform" and "absolute democracy" that Suthep's supporters like yourself swallowed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, seajae said: it doesnt matter whether it is reds/yellows/ptp or dems, they are all as bad as each other and they are all corrupt in that they will do and say whatever makes them more money. No one group is innocent, these groups would not be able to even operate in any western countries, unfortunately in Thailand it is accepted that if you run the country you can get away with murder. These groups are wherever the money is, none are there for the people, only themselves If indeed, it doesn't matter as you say, then perhaps the decision should be left to the electorate. They should be able to decide what matters to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, candide said: These largely unpunished extra-judicial murders are scandalous. However I am sure you know why there has been no trial against Thaksin about it..... There are two alternatives. 1.He genuinely doesn't know being just another naive and gullible foreigner out of his depth in a complex Thai world 2.He does know but skates over the facts and implications because they don't fit his preferred narrative. Edited July 30, 2018 by jayboy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pornprong Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 8 hours ago, robblok said: Did you see any democrat politicians besides Suthep supporting the coup. Do remember the people came out protesting against the corruption of the YL government before any political parties encouraged them at all. They came because they could no longer stand the lies and corruption and later people like Suthep joined helping to bring down YL. But I did not see the likes of Abisith and others there. Not sure if Suthep had already separated from the Democrats at that point the guy has left politics so many times its hard to keep track. As for what the people in the north believe, just because they believe it does not make it the truth. People believed the earth was flat too. So what evidence do you have to support your opinion ? Geez mate, you really take the cake when it comes to fanboy nonsense. The PDRC leadership consisted of: Suthep Thaugsuban, Secretary-general of PDRC; former Democrat Party MP from Surat Thani, former deputy prime minister (2008–2011) Luang Pu Buddha Issara, then abbot of Wat Or Noi temple, Nakhon Pathom province Sathit Wongnongtoey, former Democrat Party MP for Trang, former minister to the office of the Prime Minister (2008–11) Thaworn Senniam, former Democrat Party MP for Songkhla, former deputy interior minister Witthaya Kaewparadai, former deputy chairman of the Democrat Party, former minister of public health (2008–09) Issara Somchai, former Democrat Party MP for Ubon Ratchathani, former minister of social development and human security Akanat Promphan, former Democrat Party MP for Bangkok Nataphol Teepsuwan, former Democrat Party MP for Bangkok Puttipong Punnakanta, former Democrat Party MP for Bangkok, former deputy governor of Bangkok Chumpol Julasai, former Democrat Party MP for Chumphon The people came out to protest about amnesty, not about corruption - trust a fanboy to rewrite history to suit his nonsense beliefs. As for what people believe....... can you believe some idiots thought the coup was a good thing, can you believe some idiots thought the coup would end corruption, can you believe some idiots thought the coup would pave the way for "real democracy" in Thailand................sheeesh! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mark131v Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 9 hours ago, Charlie1 said: The evidence is so obvious, you must be blind not to see it. Just watch the last 20-or-so military coups, where always the military protects the elites and gives a shit about the masses. There you have your evidence. And it doesn't matter who was wearing a yellow shirt at what time, those are stupid details. No point asking Rob really as he has a soft spot for the junta and was a top cheerleader until even he could not ignore what was obvious all along, seems to be backsliding a bit.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Dude Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 These two parties have much more to worry about than each other and should be turning their flak on the present "government", as that's what opposition parties are supposed to do.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmynewbie Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Why do you think nothing was done about the drugs crackdown? Even the yellow shirts avoid the subject, who do you think really ordered it? The clue is in the silence from all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, pornprong said: Read the link (and stop drinking the kool aid) Even for someone who has reading disability should realized that this topic has been debunked ever so often and should be buried and not raised up together with that nugget about vote buying winning election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 2:49 PM, Baerboxer said: The imperfections of democracy. particularly in it's infancy are ripe for the manipulations of crooked politicians who rob the country to enrich themselves and try hard to create a scenario where they can never actually be removed. Democracy is always in its infancy in Thailand. Each time it is born, the baby is strangled by a set of crooked generals. If the politicians are trying hard to create a situation where they can never be removed, it doesn't seem to be working . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Just now, tomta said: Democracy is always in its infancy in Thailand. Each time it is born, the baby is strangled by a set of crooked generals. If the politicians are trying hard to create a situation where they can never be removed, it doesn't seem to be working . Unfortunately those claiming to represent democracy aren't really interested in it. Only as long as it serves their purpose. Even admitting democracy isn't the goal. In Asia if politicians get control of the military then you get corrupt family dynasties. Hun Sen being a good current example. The Lee family still run Singapore and the Marcos family still influential in Philippines. If they don't you get a coup to kick them out. Politicians like countries that insist on putting 'democratic" in their name rarely are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 hours ago, Eric Loh said: Even for someone who has reading disability should realized that this topic has been debunked ever so often and should be buried and not raised up together with that nugget about vote buying winning election. No it's not been debunked at all. Only to those silly enough to believe Shin lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, ramrod711 said: Your advice should be followed, by your self, read the link I posted, it includes this nugget from our old friend Chalerm. "... For drug dealers if they do not want to die, they had better quit staying on that road... drugs suppression in my time as Interior Minister will follow the approach of [former Prime Minister] Thaksin. If that will lead to 3,000-4,000 deaths of those who break the law, then so be it. That has to be done ... For those of you from the opposition party, I will say you care more about human rights than drug problems in Thailand." Don't be a complete numpty all your life, try to keep an open mind. Obviously HRW isn't a credible source for you, perhaps you can find something from the Sun. Do you usually quote Chalerm with approval as a source of truth? Would it not be possible that he's just piggybacking on the war on drugs reputation to project the macho tough guy image? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: Unfortunately those claiming to represent democracy aren't really interested in it. Only as long as it serves their purpose. Even admitting democracy isn't the goal. In Asia if politicians get control of the military then you get corrupt family dynasties. Hun Sen being a good current example. The Lee family still run Singapore and the Marcos family still influential in Philippines. If they don't you get a coup to kick them out. Politicians like countries that insist on putting 'democratic" in their name rarely are. Politicians are bad. Democracy is too hard and not perfect. Kill it. We get the picture. It's a tired mantra, Baerboxer and one which is a counsel of despair. India, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, indonesia showing good signs, all of them Asian; Eastern Europe reverting to authoritarianism. Democracy is not a genetic possession of white people. It's always imperfect and always needs work. You approved the coup. You have an infantile desire for instant gratification, for instant perfection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 59 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: The Lee family still run Singapore Hard to say that they are elected? Junta fanboy just hate that word. BTW 8 years in Singapore governed by Goh not Lee. Education for the needy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Baerboxer said: No it's not been debunked at all. Only to those silly enough to believe Shin lies. As I said, there are those who have reading disability and a heavy dose of denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 12:49 PM, Baerboxer said: The imperfections of democracy. particularly in it's infancy are ripe for the manipulations of crooked politicians who rob the country to enrich themselves and try hard to create a scenario where they can never actually be removed. Agree? Agree with what - that dictatorship is better than imperfect democracy.... only a fool would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomta Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 1 hour ago, ramrod711 said: Eric, please be careful, what you allege could be hazardous. As for moving on, information is important, I know that isn't a popular view in the age of don't believe what you see, don't believe what you hear. As for Thaksin being not guilty, by his own admission he is. Information is important but it is also hazardous as you say. The truth does not set one free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 On 7/30/2018 at 10:46 AM, robblok said: Anyway its quite clear that the army helped to make this happen but it was fully legal. ????????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Off topic posts and replies about Thaksin's war on drugs have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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