At least 40 of UK PM May's lawmakers willing to vote down Brexit deal, ex-minister says

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At least 40 of UK PM May's lawmakers willing to vote down Brexit deal, ex-minister says

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May walks through the conference centre on the third day of the Conservative Party Conference in Birmingham, Britain, October 2, 2018. REUTERS/Toby Melville

 

LONDON (Reuters) - At least 40 lawmakers in Prime Minister Theresa May's Conservative Party are willing to vote down her possible Brexit deal if it leaves the United Kingdom 'half in and half out' of the European Union, a senior lawmaker said on Tuesday.

 

"My estimate is that there are at least 40 colleagues who are not going to accept a 'half in, half out' Chequers deal or indeed a backstop that leaves us in the internal market and the customs union," lawmaker Steve Baker told BBC radio.

 

"Colleagues will not tolerate a half in, half out Brexit," said Baker, who served as a junior Brexit minister in May's government until he resigned in protest at her Brexit proposals.

 

If May secures a deal with the EU, she has to get the British parliament to approve it and would need the backing of about 320 lawmakers to get approval.

 

If 40 of her lawmakers voted against a possible deal, the fate of the government and exit process would depend on the opposition Labour Party, which has indicated it will vote against almost any deal May might secure.

 

Under May's proposals, Britain will seek a free trade area for goods with the EU, largely by accepting a "common rulebook" for goods and British participation in EU agencies that provide authorisations for goods.

 

Some Brexiteers say those proposals would ensure the EU kept control over swathes of the British economy and thus run counter to the spirit of her manifesto pledge to leave the EU Customs Union and the Single Market.

 

"We are awaiting the detail of exactly what we are going to be asked for vote for. I don't doubt that every possible technique us going to be used to sow doubt in colleagues' minds and to encourage them to vote with the government," Baker said.

 

"In the end the EU is not entitled to split the UK and it's not entitled to constrain how we regulate our economy and govern ourselves after we leave," he added.

 

Without an approved deal, the UK would move from seamless trade with the rest of the European Union to customs arrangements set by the World Trade Organization for external states with no preferential deals.

 

"If the UK faces either possibility then we must in the end be willing to say it's a bad deal, and no deal is better than a bad deal," Baker said. "We would need to be unafraid to go forward without an agreement."

 

(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; editing by Michael Holden)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-09

[damascase]

 

 

"In the end the EU is not entitled to split the UK and it's not entitled to constrain how we regulate our economy and govern ourselves after we leave," he added.

 

The blaming continues.................

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, webfact said:

If 40 of her lawmakers voted against a possible deal, the fate of the government and exit process would depend on the opposition Labour Party, which has indicated it will vote against almost any deal May might secure.

Divided country, which hopefully will find it's course, someday after March 29th 2019.

[Grouse]

As stated elsewhere this will end in a Nash Equibrium.

 

However, there is now a finite probability of another referendum. That WILL result in remaing within the EU.

 

Tell me Brexiters, do you believe the CONS give a damn about "the people's" opinion? You know, democracy and all that? Of course not! They see a way of making money from a European offshore nation with low wages, low standards and low tax. Is that going to give Brexiters a better life? I some How doubt it.

 

Maybe you think Chile and Vietnam have higher standards than EU countries?  Lowest common denominator time is it? What about highest common factor?

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

As stated elsewhere this will end in a Nash Equibrium.
 
However, there is now a finite probability of another referendum. That WILL result in remaing within the EU.
 
Tell me Brexiters, do you believe the CONS give a damn about "the people's" opinion? You know, democracy and all that? Of course not! They see a way of making money from a European offshore nation with low wages, low standards and low tax. Is that going to give Brexiters a better life? I some How doubt it.
 
 

I think you're probably right. A People's Vote should be decisive.

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[ivor bigun]

As stated elsewhere this will end in a Nash Equibrium.
 
However, there is now a finite probability of another referendum. That WILL result in remaing within the EU.
 
Tell me Brexiters, do you believe the CONS give a damn about "the people's" opinion? You know, democracy and all that? Of course not! They see a way of making money from a European offshore nation with low wages, low standards and low tax. Is that going to give Brexiters a better life? I some How doubt it.
 
Maybe you think Chile and Vietnam have higher standards than EU countries?  Lowest common denominator time is it? What about highest common factor?
 
 

They are all in it for themselves,but anything that upsets the snout in trough E.U bunch is ok by me. And i have nothing against Europe and Europeans,but they to are at last waking up to the "club" that the likes of Junker belong to is not there for them or us.

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[Grouse]

Just now, ivor bigun said:

They are all in it for themselves,but anything that upsets the snout in trough E.U bunch is ok by me. And i have nothing against Europe and Europeans,but they to are at last waking up to the "club" that the likes of Junker belong to is not there for them or us.

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Look up Nash equibrium and/or "The Prisoner's Dilemma". That will explain the position quite nicely.

[ivor bigun]

Look up Nash equibrium and/or "The Prisoner's Dilemma". That will explain the position quite nicely.

I know it ,if we all leave that would be perfect and Brussels and its gravy train can sink into the mud,then we can go on as it was originally intended ,a common market,

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[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I know it ,if we all leave that would be perfect and Brussels and its gravy train can sink into the mud,then we can go on as it was originally intended ,a common market,

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Sorry Ivor, you don't understand. Never mind ????

[ivor bigun]

Sorry Ivor, you don't understand. Never mind [emoji4]

Dont try to make me out to be a fool i do know what "the prisoners dilemma" means

 

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[Grouse]

2 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Dont try to make me out to be a fool i do know what "the prisoners dilemma" means

 

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Then tell us the likely outcome!

[Cadbury]

5 hours ago, damascase said:

 

 

"In the end the EU is not entitled to split the UK and it's not entitled to constrain how we regulate our economy and govern ourselves after we leave," he added.

 

The blaming continues.................

The EU is a mob of trough snorters who collectively prevent Brussels from being a ghetto. They are only driven by self interest and improving their personal wealth. They couldn't care a rat's about anybody other than themselves. 

[damascase]

8 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

The EU is a mob of trough snorters who collectively prevent Brussels from being a ghetto. They are only driven by self interest and improving their personal wealth. They couldn't care a rat's about anybody other than themselves. 

As I said in the posting that you quoted: ‘the blaming continues......’

By the way, the EU according to your detailed and knowledgeable description does not seem to differ that much from UK politicians?

[ivor bigun]

Then tell us the likely outcome!

Ah that is the million dollor question, what i hope is thst the EU disintigrates and we actually come out better,but then we all may lose out ,or they may prosper and we dont, thats the dilemma. whats your answer?

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[damascase]

32 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Ah that is the million dollor question, what i hope is thst the EU disintigrates and we actually come out better,but then we all may lose out ,or they may prosper and we dont, thats the dilemma. whats your answer?

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Why do you hope that the EU disintegrates? 

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Dont try to make me out to be a fool i do know what "the prisoners dilemma" means

 

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Ignore him.  He's convinced for some obscure reason that he's superior to other posters....

 

Far better to leave him in his own fantasies about his imagined intellectual superiority ????.

[ivor bigun]

Why do you hope that the EU disintegrates? 

Why ?do you hope it doesnt?

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[damascase]

3 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Why ?do you hope it doesnt?

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You don’t have an answer to my question, obviously.

[ivor bigun]

You don’t have an answer to my question, obviously.

Do you have one to mine? If you had read my previous posts you would see why , just go back to the first page

 

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[melvinmelvin]

yet another Brexit thread, for what purpose

and whose benefit

 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Ah that is the million dollor question, what i hope is thst the EU disintigrates and we actually come out better,but then we all may lose out ,or they may prosper and we dont, thats the dilemma. whats your answer?

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A Nash equilibrium

 

Everyone will be dissatisfied. A bit

 

But the extremes will be avoided

 

But, you knew that.....

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Ignore him.  He's convinced for some obscure reason that he's superior to other posters....

 

Far better to leave him in his own fantasies about his imagined intellectual superiority ????.

For once, just do some background reading.....

[Basil B]

40?

Where did he get that number from? off the side of a bus??? 

[alanrchase]

What a total ba##s up Brexit has turned out to be. Zero consensus among leavers on what deal they would accept. 52% voted to leave and probably less than 25% of them will be happy with the end result.

[Scouse123]

2 hours ago, alanrchase said:

What a total ba##s up Brexit has turned out to be. Zero consensus among leavers on what deal they would accept. 52% voted to leave and probably less than 25% of them will be happy with the end result.

 

Less than 10%. I reckon.

 

Next, there is no point Theresa May and the EU kissing and cuddling and saying they have/will reach a deal. They won't. Because anything she agrees has to go back to parliament and the MPs and at least 40 are set to join Labour in a revolt.

 

I think you have two options only:-

 

1. No deal Brexit and take it all on the chin.

2. Another referendum at which point the UK would vote to stay in because of the massive negative pressure placed on them by dark forces with ulterior motives, such as all the different Media, Internet, TV, Radio, etc EU trying to balance out Brexit lies with their own bigger lies, and bastards with vested interests as usual.

 

I think the British public have been worn down so much they are past caring now!

 

Let's face it, the EU works primarily for the benefit of two countries, Germany and France and the rest are there to make up numbers and in the UK case, financially contribute big time.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

19 hours ago, Grouse said:

As stated elsewhere this will end in a Nash Equibrium.

 

However, there is now a finite probability of another referendum. That WILL result in remaing within the EU.

 

Tell me Brexiters, do you believe the CONS give a damn about "the people's" opinion? You know, democracy and all that? Of course not! They see a way of making money from a European offshore nation with low wages, low standards and low tax. Is that going to give Brexiters a better life? I some How doubt it.

 

Maybe you think Chile and Vietnam have higher standards than EU countries?  Lowest common denominator time is it? What about highest common factor?

 

 

There will NOT be a second referendum, no matter how much you wish for it.  But no harm in your persistent dreaming, except that you are going to be bitterly disappointed.

[Grouse]

10 minutes ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

There will NOT be a second referendum, no matter how much you wish for it.  But no harm in your persistent dreaming, except that you are going to be bitterly disappointed.

We will ALL be bitterly disappointed. I don't want another referendum; I didn't want the first one! It's a moronic idea that should be abandoned.

[Grouse]

14 hours ago, Grouse said:

For once, just do some background reading.....

McAmbl, I was making the point that Brexit was a good Nash equilibrium example. This leads to some interesting conclusions on compromise. It was clear to me that this point was not understood even though I have posted papers on this. If people are not interested, fine. If people think I am superior, frankly, I don't give a damn